07/08 Phillies Offseason Thread

[ice grillin you]

the outfield is passable nothing less nothing more...the problem is like sun said depth..and im not talking late inning depth im talking about when someone gets hurt...when that happens it becomes the titantic

[Wingspan]

a Werth/Jenkins platoon will probably put up close to the same numbers that Rowand did last year.  Victorino will be a better CF defensively than rowand, but RF defense will suffer, but i don't think a hole lot.  Werth actually showed some decent athleticism out there last year.

if anything, the bench is worse than last year, they don't have a late inning speed/defensive guy to replace burrell with (don't say roberson) and i'm not sure Bruntlett is the answer as the late inning defensive replacement. 

the bullpen is still a problem, gordon may be ok for the first few weeks but once he goes down they are in trouble once again.

You don't need great defense in the outfield corners at CBP. So you can get away with that to an extent.

I agree with all of this. Except I dont have nearly as positive an outlook on the bullpen as you.

[Rome]

They can always make a trade for depth if it comes down to it.  They got Iguchi last year for peanuts and that worked out well.

[Wingspan]

Iguchi wasn't acquired for depth. He was acquired because the phils already had no depth and they needed a 2B for an undeterminable amount of time.

Iguchi was the luck move of the decade.

[Rome]

Right - he wasn't acquired for depth.  Not at all.  He was acquired to be a full-time starter until Utley returned at which time he added depth to the bench.

[ice grillin you]

They can always make a trade for depth if it comes down to it.  They got Iguchi last year for peanuts and that worked out well.

theres no such thing as trading for depth during the season...if they trade for another outfielder during the year then its because they are in dire straits

[Rome]

You acquire someone during the season to fill in until your starter returns at which point they become a bench player, correct?

[ice grillin you]

normally you dont aquire anyone....you go to your own bench or AAA club to replace the guy....the phillies dont have that option or horrible options...which is the point here

like wing said iguchi is an extremely rare case...in fact had the whole team not been a mash unit last year iguchi would have gone down to AAA once utley came back

[Rome]

Had the whole team been healthy they wouldn't have acquired him, so that point is moot.  And he was their best option off the bench despite the fact that Cholly the clown preferred playing Butcher Dobbs & Helms at third.

And he wouldn't have gone anywhere remotely close to the minor leagues.  He was an established major league starter in Chicago and then Philly, not some journeyman scrub vacillating between the majors & minors, IGY.  If the Phillies didn't have the best second baseman in the National League he would have been re-signed here, guaranteed.

[ice grillin you]

iguchi blows.....theres a reason the phillies in a desperate situation got him for someone who probably wont ever see even AAA baseball

and my point with the injuries is that if utley got hurt and they didnt have a million other injuires then when utley came back iguchi would have been sent down...he stinks

[Rome]

He blows? 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=6217

Well, his stats tell a different story but whatever.

[SunMo]

he doesn't stink, its a dumb thing to say

[ice grillin you]

in a matter of six months he got traded for michael dubee and couldnt get anything more than a small one year contract as a free agent....ill be suprised if hes in the league in three years and he definitely wont be starting

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Is there any question J.C. Romero goes back to his waiver-wire AAA/Majors tweener form this year?

[SunMo]

and couldnt get anything more than a small one year contract as a free agent....

he had multi-year offers from other teams, phillies included, but chose the 1 year deal with the padres in hopes to get a bigger deal next year.