The coming financial crisis

[Father Demon]

...say the Repubelicans.

2nd.  All in favor?

Please go away.

[ATV]

[Cerevant]

I've been called a lot of things on this board, but Republican is a new one.

[shorebird]

Advances in building technology allow the glass and steel skyscraper to be built whereas the first building in your post could never achieve such heights. Both are "neat"

Wrong. The Wrigley building was a steel skyscraper. It was clad with ceramics or terra cotta, which can still be sued to clad buildings of all types today. The reason it's not used is because it's not as cheap.

What is your point?? A lot of older architecture is profound, elegant and magnificent because it's old! The same can be said of a lot of newer architecture because it's of a new design. Glass is used in some construciton because it's lighter
Now, man constructs building like this.



Taipei 101 in Taiwan has been the world's tallest building at 1,670.60 ft. since 2004. It's been featured on numerous tv shows, like Modern Marvels (History ch.). A marvel of construction designed to withstand the typhoon force winds and earthquakes that occur in the Asian Pacific area, supposedly the worst place on earth to construct a skyscraper. Located at the top in the building's core, between the 88th and 92nd floors, engineers have suspended a 730-ton steel sphere that essentially acts as a giant pendulum, swaying as much as 18 inches off its axis to absorb the force of storms and quakes. It's called a tuned mass damper

Why's the older fin so much cooler?

What?
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A fin is a five dollar bill.

I've been called a lot of things on this board, but Republican is a new one.

No matter, at least you aren't still hung up on posting pics of McCain and Palin weeks after they lost the election.

4th

[ATV]

I've been called a lot of things on this board, but Republican is a new one.

Didn't mean to imply you, merely the previous two.

A lot of older architecture is profound, elegant and magnificent because it's old!

Just because something is old doesn't make it profound, elegant and magnificent. No, they're this way because we used to build mostly profound, elegant and magnificent buildings.

The same can be said of a lot of newer architecture because it's of a new design.

"A lot"? Really. Excluding a few modern mega projects such as Taipei 101, the architecture of today is best represented by buildings such as....



or



or



Because for every Taipei 101 (hell, that building isn't even in the U.S.) there are easily THOUSANDS of these shteinburg buildings

Also, for your argument you put forth one of the best examples of modern architecture. My argument isn't that all modern architecture is crap. Much of it is, though. Take this for example, a beautiful building that has literally been taken a dump on by a piece of modern shteinchitecture.....



Many more example can be found by perusing here...

http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_200805.html

Glass is used in some construciton because it's lighter

For skyscrapers, sure. It's also cheaper than hiring labor to, for example, lay bricks.

[Diomedes]

Romney is spot on in today's NYTimes op-ed regarding the auto industry


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=2&hp

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I agree.  Hell, I think Dennis Kucinich would agree too.

[Diomedes]

I haven't read him on this subject.  Has he put anything out?

[Seabiscuit36]

The problem is Chrevrolet is the #1 auto manufacturer in Russia, #2 in China, #2 in Europe, its a world wide issue, not just domestic. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I haven't read him on this subject.  Has he put anything out?

He was massively against the first bailout.  I would like to see if he has anything on this one.  You could always find his "email a Congressman" link and ask.  Although, it would take months for you to get a form letter response.

[shorebird]

 

Romney is spot on in today's NYTimes op-ed regarding the auto industry


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=2&hp

First, their huge disadvantage in costs relative to foreign brands must be eliminated. That means new labor agreements to align pay and benefits to match those of workers at competitors like BMW, Honda, Nissan and Toyota. Furthermore, retiree benefits must be reduced so that the total burden per auto for domestic makers is not higher than that of foreign producers.

Second, management as is must go. New faces should be recruited from unrelated industries — from companies widely respected for excellence in marketing, innovation, creativity and labor relations.

The new management must work with labor leaders to see that the enmity between labor and management comes to an end. This division is a holdover from the early years of the last century, when unions brought workers job security and better wages and benefits. But as Walter Reuther, the former head of the United Automobile Workers, said to my father, "Getting more and more pay for less and less work is a dead-end street."

This all sounds good and in a perfect world would happen, but with the way the UAW union operates, I just don't see it happening. If you start aligning pay and reducing retiree benefits, you'll be looking for Ron Gettelfinger with Jimmy Hoffa.

"A lot"? Really. Excluding a few modern mega projects such as Taipei 101, the architecture of today is best represented by buildings such as....

A few?!? You really, really have no idea what your talking about and anyone who sees modern architecture through eyes that see only Best Buys and Burger Kings isn't even worth my time.

All you have to do is look at the Linc if you want an example of beautiful and profound  modern architecture, and when your there, take a look over at the Philadelphia skyline. Just a few of many, many examples.

[Diomedes]

beautiful and profound?  The Linc?

[shorebird]

I think so. Like Camden Yards at Baltimore.

[shorebird]

Stadium construction has come a very long way from the cookie cutter days of the Astordome and the like.

[shorebird]