Fair Shot For McNabb In Philly?

[Quasimoto]

Those articles aren't legit.  I didn't see any quotes from Sam or Wilma.

[ice grillin you]

Diddy= Good Article

Hoffman= Typical DN Trash

whats in hoffmans piece that makes it trash vs diddys

[Rome]

Diddy= Good Article

Hoffman= Typical DN Trash

whats in hoffmans piece that makes it trash vs diddys

YES, THERE is this perceived distance now between Donovan McNabb and the Eagles.

That sentence right there makes Hofmann's piece trash.  He interjects opinion from the start rather than offering facts that support that opinion.

[ice grillin you]

actually he offered lots of facts thruout the article...the same facts r diddy used....the pick of cobb the rpess conf in jersey ect.....and even then he only calls it a perceived distance

r diddy said this

McNabb certainly appeared to be distancing himself from the organization


again whats the difference

or does it come down to one guy wiritng for a philly paper which we all know are conspiracists and the can do no wrong nfl hall of famer r diddy writing the other one

[Beermonkey]

Diddy= Good Article

Hoffman= Typical DN Trash

whats in hoffmans piece that makes it trash vs diddys

Yeah, actually both these articles echo the same sentiments & seem to provide an objective analysis of the situation w/o all the added "drama".

[Rome]

nm

[ice grillin you]

Yeah, actually both these articles echo the same sentiments & seem to provide an objective analysis of the situation w/o all the added "drama".

i agree

both guys say there are big time signals that a change in their relationship may be taking place...but its still just appearance....wheres theres smoke there isnt always fire...but its definitely smoking

[Seabiscuit36]

Just my dislike for the DN    Plus Ray Diddy is a god

[SunMo]

Diddy:

First, McNabb has reason to be irritated. The Eagles used their top draft pick on a quarterback for the future. Meanwhile, Indianapolis, fresh off a Super Bowl victory, used its top pick on wide receiver Alex Gonzalez. Last year, the Colts drafted running back Joseph Addai. In New England, Bill Belichick is surrounding Tom Brady with a new cast of receivers including Randy Moss and Donté Stallworth. Last year, the Patriots invested their top pick on running back Laurence Maroney, who had an excellent rookie season.

That's what most teams do for a franchise quarterback: they surround him with more weapons. With the selection of Kolb, the Eagles went in another direction, and McNabb has a right to ask, "What's going on?"

spot on

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

That's horseshtein.  Keeping Stallworth would have been one thing, but who would the Eagles have taken in the late 1st / early 2nd that would have really helped McNabb this year or next?

An argument could be made for Robert Meachem, but with Curtis and Brown both around long-term, you're going to have one pissed off WR in a year or so... or you have another 1st round flop.

An argument could also be made for Olsen, but that wouldn't really help THIS YEAR.


Frankly, McNabb has everything he needs to succeed on offense.  Even Jeff Garcia succeeded with the offense last year.  The defense is what really needed to be addressed, so McNabb can get the ball back.  While the Eagles didn't do that either until the late 2nd round, they did go out and get a DT right after the draft that will contribute more than anyone from the draft would have... and they'd already added two solid players in Reagor and Spikes.

McNabb has no reason to bitch.  He's got a good offensive line, a couple of great "safety valve" receivers in Westbrook and Smith (this year at least), and a legitimate pairing of starting WR's.  If he can't score points with this offense, it's his fault... not the front office's.

[Magical_Retard]

That's horseshtein.  Keeping Stallworth would have been one thing, but who would the Eagles have taken in the late 1st / early 2nd that would have really helped McNabb this year or next?

An argument could be made for Robert Meachem, but with Curtis and Brown both around long-term, you're going to have one pissed off WR in a year or so... or you have another 1st round flop.

An argument could also be made for Olsen, but that wouldn't really help THIS YEAR.


Frankly, McNabb has everything he needs to succeed on offense.  Even Jeff Garcia succeeded with the offense last year.  The defense is what really needed to be addressed, so McNabb can get the ball back.  While the Eagles didn't do that either until the late 2nd round, they did go out and get a DT right after the draft that will contribute more than anyone from the draft would have... and they'd already added two solid players in Reagor and Spikes.

McNabb has no reason to bitch.  He's got a good offensive line, a couple of great "safety valve" receivers in Westbrook and Smith (this year at least), and a legitimate pairing of starting WR's.  If he can't score points with this offense, it's his fault... not the front office's.

i agree with the article and you. i agree with the article where it points out that where as teams such the pats and colts are reloading to make more runs at the superbowl the eagles always seem to be trying to outhink everyone, including themselves. im sure mcnabb has many times sat back and wondered...esp in the days of small/johnson and trash/pinkston/mitchell.

but also mcnabb has become a lot more efficient with what he has around him and he has plently of capable targets going into this season. heck the offense has not been the problem for a couple of seasons now, even without TO. we were scoring last season. they problem on offense is the playcalling esp on the short yd situations. other than that i think we have the players to be able to score 20+ pts in every single game.

the real test for this upcoming season is going to be the D. do we finally have a DLINE that can provide pressure on its own without the blitz? i really hope so cause if the D can not get it done it does not matter how well McNabb plays, we wont get too far.

and at least the article pointed out it wasnt that garcia did anything different or better, its just the coach finally realized that they have a pretty good RB who they should use more. if we run the ball with westbrook like we did at the end of the season (and even then there were moments where we passed too much) i think we could have a pretty good balanced offense.

and igy maybe conspiracy theory is a buzz word but you know what i meant....a lot of these articles and "stories" are just what the writers infer or think the player is thinking. it could be true but then again it could be just that....making up stories. things that really do not affect McNabb or the team when is under center ready to play.

[ice grillin you]

if you think the eagles have enough around mcnabb on offense then thats one thing

but how can ask what more could they have done

you basically answered your own questions...they didnt sign stallworth and they didnt draft a WR in any round

their version of an improved offense this year was replacing donte stallworth with kevin curtis

you can think thats enough but you cant call what r diddy is saying horseshtein because he makes an excellent point in that they didnt make any moves to help mcnabb...instead they drafted his replacement

[SunMo]

there were basically 3 positions they could've drafted were you can legitimately say they aren't trying to help him, kicker, punter, quarterback.

they chose quarterback.

[Wingspan]

If Kolb was drafted to be a "ligament farm" (and I firmly believe that he was) than you can argue that he was here to help McNabb.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

if you think the eagles have enough around mcnabb on offense then thats one thing

but how can ask what more could they have done

It's simple.  Only so many players can be on the field at the same time.

Offensive Line?  Check.  No need for improvement.
Tight Ends?  Check.  L.J. and Schobel are plenty good.
Running Backs?  Check.  Westbrook is #1 and plenty of other styles of guys to choose behind him.
Wide Receivers?  CHECK.  I know you're down on Curtis... mostly because he's white and his name's not Donte Stallworth, but the guy is a very good player.  Reggie Brown is a very good player.  Then, there are some guys behind them that can fill the 3/4/5 roles just fine.

McNabb doesn't need "help" out there on offense beyond what they have.  He needs to stay healthy, and the defense needs to give him more chances and not allow teams to eat clock against them.  The Eagles have made a ton of effort the last few seasons to shure up the front seven, and they continued that this off-season.  If you recall, last year the DLine was KILLING it before Kearse went down.

Again, I'm not sure how much *help* you all think McNabb needs.  It's obvious the general consensus is that the Kolb pick sucked, and that's fine... but in general, it's not like the FO didn't do anything this off-season:

Lost:
Stallworth - by far the biggest loss, but he still couldn't be counted on last year to be ready to play
Darwin Walker - infuriatingly inconsistent and unhappy with his contract
Jeff Garcia - Would you have paid him $5m to stay?
Reno Mahe - Finally.
Dhani Jones - Thank God.
Michael Lewis - He's an athlete and a hard hitter at times, but he looked completely lost in coverage last year.
Rod Hood - probably the most underrated loss... this could hurt the team more than the rest combined

Added:
Kevin Curtis - he's at worst a reliable and precise route-runner and at best an occasional gamebreaker
Montae Reagor - good insurance in case Bunkley continues to be unimpressive
Ian Scott - great late addition to the rotation and the run defense
Takeo Spikes - should be 100% back from a 2-year-old injury, it's basically impossible to argue he's not an upgrade over the LB's from last year
Bethel Johnson - decent find for the return game, maybe
draft class - Guys like Abiamiri, Bradley (yes, even tho he's white), and Hunt could add depth and change-of-pace immediately.  Others were drafted with a keen eye on the future (Gaddis, Barksdale, Kolb).


Seriously, considering some of the off-seasons this team has had (hello 2005 and only adding Mike McMahon), I can't see any reason to complain.  If McNabb is an elite quarterback and if key players like Jevon Kearse, Lito Sheppard, and Brian Westbrook stay healthy... What's really missing that the Eagles could have effectively addressed?