The 2007 Offseason Thread

ice grillin you · February 28, 2007, 08:57:41 AM

He was a glaring weakness. He didn't just get burned on big plays, he let up medium plays because he bit on the pump to the underneath route, or on the play action

wrong...and how would you know...thats not something you can see on the game thread

Diomedes · February 28, 2007, 09:07:22 AM

I can see the game in my head, and I get the "Lewis fargup highlight reel" directly from Reid after each game.

You're the only cat who insists that Lewis got a bum rap for a couple bad plays. To you, it's a vast FO conspiracy (in collusion with ESPN I'm sure) to discredit an uppity black man. I know you like to be the center of attention and instigate arguments, etc. It's a vigy thing. Nevertheless, you're being ridiculous.

I'm not saying Considine is better. I'm not saying the Eagles should let him go without making an offer, etc.

It is true however that he's been a liability for two years and if you can't see that, then you shouldn't bother going to the games.

rjs246 · February 28, 2007, 09:11:55 AM

The bottom line here is obvious. Roy Williams and Sean Taylor are overrated.

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 28, 2007, 09:13:17 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2007, 08:48:42 AM
right a couple bad plays (dallas and no)...when he played the team was much better than when considine played...lewis went out and they lost four of five...lewis was put back in the mix and the defense played much better winning five in a row

the point here is dont buy into the teams propaganda that lewis is a scrub...hes a good nfl safety and will go on to another team and play well for them...i wont kill the team for not resigning him because i wanna see what kind of money he gets...as he is definitely a candidate to be overpaid on the open market...but what i will slam the team for is alienating a good player for no other reason than he wouldnt sign with you for cheap

why cant the eagles agree to disagree with him but respect his position let him hit the market to judge his value and then see if youd like to bring him back...instead they act like bitter iceholes and cut all ties with him leaving no room to negotiate and in turn leave the team in a precarious position not just last year (for example he didnt play in the saints playoff game even tho the team was getting gouged in the run game) but also going into next year with quinten mikell and sean considine as two of your top three safties...thats a joke

Your argument that "he's better than Considine" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of his skills in general.

Lewis is an average overall player. No better. No worse.

Diomedes · February 28, 2007, 09:15:30 AM

He will get paid wherever he goes..it's gonna be way more than he's worth.

ice grillin you · February 28, 2007, 09:16:51 AM

You're the only cat who insists that Lewis got a bum rap for a couple bad plays.

meaningless point...that doesnt make me wrong

To you, it's a vast FO conspiracy (in collusion with ESPN I'm sure) to discredit an uppity black man.

its not a conspiracy at all...its how the eagles do business...they are right up front about it...you dont take our offer at the number we put forth youre gone...and since youre gone we dont have any need on the field for you so we will put in the guy (considine) who we think is our future....same thing happened with hood this year

can you tell me why players who played as bad or worse than lewis didnt get benched....in fact one of them patterson got rewarded..and why did he get rewarded...because he agreed to the eagles number....

I'm not saying Considine is better. I'm not saying the Eagles should let him go without making an offer, etc.

then we agree and it seems as tho youre the one arguing for no reason...because if you truly think lewis has sucked for two years then why would you make him an offer

either he sucks and you dont want him on the team or hes not really as bad as they would have you believe and they treated him like crap

ice grillin you · February 28, 2007, 09:19:05 AM

He will get paid wherever he goes..it's gonna be way more than he's worth

but you wanted the eagles to make him an offer?...would they have overpaid or do only other teams overpay

Lewis is an average overall player. No better. No worse.

hes definitely an above average safety in the nfl...thats not even a debate

Diomedes · February 28, 2007, 09:19:59 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2007, 09:16:51 AM
You're the only cat who insists that Lewis got a bum rap for a couple bad plays.

meaningless point...that doesnt make me wrong

It is not a meaningless point. Everyone else is watching him play too..and the verdict each of us has reached is that he's been lousy for two years. He's good to very good in run support, and awful in coverage. What makes you wrong is that you're blinded by your crusade against the front office, unable to see what's been happening on the field.

Like I said, it's a vigy thing.

ice grillin you · February 28, 2007, 09:28:38 AM

theres a difference between reading the game thread and watching him get burned on espn highlites va rewatching a game on tape or dvd and focusing in on how he plays

basically he got burned a couple times this year in a two week span and all of a sudden the bandwagon started that he was terrible...then people stretched that into hes been terrible for years...and then on to that he just plain sucks....

but do a search on this board going back a year or so and check out how many people were talking about the eagles extending him

trust me hes not that bad...you need to watch and make your own opinion rather than follow all the wildebeast into the crocdile infested river

Diomedes · February 28, 2007, 09:30:58 AM

I've seen enough of that cat to know he sucks in coverage, and has for the last two years. I'm done arguing with you about it. I hope you can find someone else to feed the fire.

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 28, 2007, 09:44:02 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2007, 09:19:05 AM
Lewis is an average overall player. No better. No worse.

hes definitely an above average safety in the nfl...thats not even a debate

Wrong. It's definitely a debate.

Feva · February 28, 2007, 10:12:05 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2007, 08:48:42 AM
right a couple bad plays (dallas and no)...when he played the team was much better than when considine played...lewis went out and they lost four of five...lewis was put back in the mix and the defense played much better winning five in a row

the point here is dont buy into the teams propaganda that lewis is a scrub...hes a good nfl safety and will go on to another team and play well for them...i wont kill the team for not resigning him because i wanna see what kind of money he gets...as he is definitely a candidate to be overpaid on the open market...but what i will slam the team for is alienating a good player for no other reason than he wouldnt sign with you for cheap

why cant the eagles agree to disagree with him but respect his position let him hit the market to judge his value and then see if youd like to bring him back...instead they act like bitter iceholes and cut all ties with him leaving no room to negotiate and in turn leave the team in a precarious position not just last year (for example he didnt play in the saints playoff game even tho the team was getting gouged in the run game) but also going into next year with quinten mikell and sean considine as two of your top three safties...thats a joke

IGY... I know you're far from the biggest FO guy... and sometimes I agree with you on how petty they are, but if you think their not resigning Lewis has to do with his contract and not his play on the field... I'm not sure what you've been looking at. It's not just "a couple bad plays" that sent him packing. People (including us) have been ripping his coverage ever since last year, saying he's regressed from what was a very promising first couple seasons. NOTABALE mistakes he's made this year as a starter include:

1. Week 1 - missed on a simple tackle against the Texans (Moulds) giving up the first score of the year.
2. Week 2 - blew coverage against the Giants resulting in a wide open TD for Toomer.
3. Week 5 - bit on a stutter step from Glenn that almost lost the game to Dallas.
4. Week 6 - bit on another stutter step from Horn that gave back the lead for good to New Orleans.

He was benched week 7. I'd say it had less to do with a contract situation and more to do with farging up in at least 4 out of the first 6 games... and like I said earlier, he had a tough year last year on top of that.

That said, I'm not saying we have a better option in Considine (actually I'm with you hoping that we get one of the big 3 safeties in the first round) but the reason Mike Lewis is gone is because he's a one dimensional safety who's just as big a liability in pass coverage as Considine is in run support.

ice grillin you · February 28, 2007, 10:21:47 AM

you want me to go week by week on dhani jones since he came into the league...why did the eagles sign him in the first place and why do they continue to keep him

how about patterson....there were single drives this year where he made more bad plays than lewis has in the last two years

sheldon brown...lets cut him hes been burned numerous times over the past couple years...

dawk was abused in the run game numerous times last year

how many passes has reggie brown dropped

can you explain to me whay these guys dont get cut and in some instances actually get extended...while lewis got benched and blackballed for a far inferior guy in considine

bottom line is if lewis agrees to what the birds offered him last summer or last season hes their starting saftey for the next four years and no one is saying that hes a horrible safety

PoopyfaceMcGee · February 28, 2007, 10:27:06 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2007, 10:21:47 AM
you want me to go week by week on dhani jones since he came into the league...why did the eagles sign him in the first place and why do they continue to keep him

how about patterson....there were single drives this year where he made more bad plays than lewis has in the last two years

sheldon brown...lets cut him hes been burned numerous times over the past couple years...

dawk was abused in the run game numerous times last year

how many passes has reggie brown dropped

can you explain to me whay these guys dont get cut and in some instances actually get extended...while lewis got benched and blackballed for a far inferior guy in considine

Dhani: They wanted Lewis to take snaps from him. Lewis said he didn't want to play linebacker. They signed him because he was thought to be adequate filler for Emmons.

Patterson: He was outmatched at times undoubtedly, but does he really make nearly the mental mistakes that Lewis did? Give examples if you truly believe so.

Sheldon: Besides being put on an island against #1 WR's when he is clearly a #2 CB is a good recipe for disaster. Again, he's not crazy athletic, but he's usually not far out of position.

Dawk: He's getting older. Lewis doesn't have that excuse.

I thought you said dropped passes were a meaningless stat...?

Diomedes · February 28, 2007, 10:27:10 AM

classic vigy tactics. the point being argued is not all those other people...it's whether or not Lewis sucked in coverage. I'm saying he did, you're claiming he didn't. that is, until it's no longer convenient to claim that, so now you're claiming he's unfairly targeted while other people who (allegedly) sucked get a pass.

like I said, you've got an axe to grind which has nothign to do with the on field performance. you want to have an internet fight against everyone, and you'll shift your tactics to keep it rolling.

zzzz

figure it out for yourself why he's gone, homeboy. you won't listen to anyone else anyway