Hey Andy Defenders....

Started by SunMo, January 13, 2007, 11:18:26 PM

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ice grillin you

welcome to 1999....always been like this always will

and people always thought i was crazy to want him fired in 02 03 and even the superbowl year
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

mpmcgraw

Fire John Harbaugh.

Serially. 

PhilLeeD

I was not really disappointed at the end of the game.  I thought we had a good chance and it would be close.  The Eagles and Reid kept it close and lost games with mistakes and bad clock management this year especially.  After the game I drank a pint of Crown and fell asleep and forgot what happened.

You guys all knew this could happen. 

At least try and throw a bomb and get the Pass Interference or maybe a Saint may have caught it just like a punt!  It works over half the time...

Anyway,  good luck all!  Andy Reid has left me a LURKING BASTICH for now.
"He believed in the theory of reduction: If you keep hitting people, they don't want to get up"

Cerevant

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2007, 02:51:19 PM
jj much prefers to give up the rush yards vs pass as he thinks he can keep the pts lower if thats the case....not saying i agree but thats his philosophy

ding ding ding ding ding - we have a winnar.
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SD_Eagle5

Quote from: Cerevant on January 17, 2007, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2007, 02:51:19 PM
jj much prefers to give up the rush yards vs pass as he thinks he can keep the pts lower if thats the case....not saying i agree but thats his philosophy

ding ding ding ding ding - we have a winnar.

That philosophy used to work fine when the Eagles were stingy in Redzone D and were only giving up FGs, now that they're giving up TDs it doesn't work.

Cerevant

Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 17, 2007, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on January 17, 2007, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2007, 02:51:19 PM
jj much prefers to give up the rush yards vs pass as he thinks he can keep the pts lower if thats the case....not saying i agree but thats his philosophy

ding ding ding ding ding - we have a winnar.

That philosophy used to work fine when the Eagles were stingy in Redzone D and were only giving up FGs, now that they're giving up TDs it doesn't work.

I agree, but  that philosophy also depended on the offense putting up a lot of points early.  This would force the other team to press the pass (risky) or continue running and waste time on the clock.
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Drunkmasterflex

That philosophy never made sense to me.  A team that can run on you, controls the clock.  With the way the offense has been able to score there is no excuse not to get them the ball more.
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Cerevant

Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 17, 2007, 01:05:38 PM
That philosophy never made sense to me.  A team that can run on you, controls the clock.  With the way the offense has been able to score there is no excuse not to get them the ball more.

Controlling the clock is only an advantage if you have the lead.  When the Eagles were opening up 10+ point leads in the first half of games in 2004, the opposition didn't care about controlling the clock - they needed to score.

Every strategy has its weakness.  Sure it would be nice to be good against the run and against the pass, but the Eagles have decided to load up against the pass.

Eagle Defensive priorities:
1) Stop the long pass / big play
2) Pressure the QB
3) Contain short/intermediate passing
4) Contain the rush

The problem is that the Eagles pass D went into the tank the last two years due to an injuried and/or underachieving secondary.  Further, and injured McNabb kills the quick strike capability that the team strategy depends upon.  It took putting McNabb on IR for Big Red to realize they needed a fundamental strategy shift, and even then they did not have the defensive personnel to pull it off.
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Munson

I really wonder how much better this defense would have been had Kearse never gotten hurt. That rotation was sick. A fresh Trent Cole probably =12+ sacks from him. ANd probably double digits from Kearse.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

Rome

Instead of drafting/acquiring part-time players and paying them ungodly sums of cash, how about they get guys who can play all three downs and actually be productive?

Nah.  That's crazy talk.

Munson

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 17, 2007, 04:10:50 PM
Instead of drafting/acquiring part-time players and paying them ungodly sums of cash, how about they get guys who can play all three downs and actually be productive?

Nah.  That's crazy talk.

Kearse was an everydown guy, as he played the run very well. A guy like Trent Cole can be good in an everydown role, but his speed is so much more effective in a rotation like what they had going on.

The 3rd down line of Cole-Howard-Walker/Patterson-Kearse was looking so so nasty.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

Rome

Munson - Kearse has been a farging bust.  Say it with me, B-U-S-T.

Howard's been a disaster, Patterson is useless, Cole is a part-time player and Walker is a joke.


Wingspan

The rotation thing doesnt work anymore. The birds have lineman that get too winded at the end of game late in the season because of the constant shifting, their bodies are no longer conditioned to tighten up at the end of drives.

How do you expect undersized DE's going up against OT's, who have 50lbs on them, the whole game and keep their stamina up?

Johnson's de-emphesis on linebackers, and love affair with undersized DE's killed this defense.
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ice grillin you

Instead of drafting/acquiring part-time players and paying them ungodly sums of cash, how about they get guys who can play all three downs and actually be productive?

amen


and as far as kearse goes no doubt they missed him but everyone acts like they lost a ton of sacks....kearse hasnt has double digit sacks since 2001 and has been painfully average since becoming an eagle...just because he had a nice start to this year doesnt mean he was gonna be a huge difference maker and have his 99 season all over again

i also hope people arent counting on him to come back and be the defensive lines savoir next year....hes a player that hasnt had a big year since the 90's and will be 31 going into next year coming off a very serious injury
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Rome

There are two things huge about Kearse. . . his paycheck and his reputation.  He's lived up to neither in Philly.