College Football 2007

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

How does a playoff weaken the regular season?  The way things are now, if a team loses one game they are basically done for the season.

Good point.

[SunMo]

my point is that a playoff will not make a more definitive winner than the current system.

you can have opinions on everything else, but i can't possibly see how you think this...it's assinine.  having the 4 or 8 top teams in the country play for title is infinitely better than having 2 teams play for based on a regular season

[ice grillin you]

because if you go four or eight then you go ten or 12 and whose to say 14 shouldnt be in

what you want is the best two teams in the final...a playoff certainly doesnt do that...and if you think it does then youre saying you know who are the best two teams before the playoff starts anyway so why not try and make sure those two teams are picked for the championship

to me cfb has the ultimate playoff already...its called the regular season

How does a playoff weaken the regular season?  The way things are now, if a team loses one game they are basically done for the season.

youre making my point...the fact that you cant lose two three or four games (this year aside) and still make the final is exactly what makes every regular season game so great...you have like 25 do or die games a year...for example how degraded would ohio state michigan become if both teams knew regardless of the outcome of the game they were going to a playoff anyway...a playoff would take away from so many regular season and conf championship games

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

God help me, I'm starting to agree with IGY on this.

[SunMo]

the regular season is a playoff is such bullshtein...as proved by LSU and Ohio State, as proved when Miami beat FSU in 2000 and didn't make the championship game, as proved over and over and over and over

and stop with "if you let 8 in, then 9 and 10 will complain" so what?  in the NCAA, 65, 66, and 67 complain when they don't make it in, i guess they shouldn't have a tournament either?  it's much easier to say farg off to #9 then it is to #3...why didn't Georgia get to play in the championship game?  just because they didn't win the SEC?  Oklahoma got to play, and win it when they didn't win the Big 12 years ago.  anyone who tries to justify anything other than a playoff can't.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

65 doesn't complain in the NCAA - they get a play-in game!

[Sgt PSN]

66 doesn't though. 

[ice grillin you]

the regular season is a playoff is such bullshtein...as proved by LSU and Ohio State, as proved when Miami beat FSU in 2000 and didn't make the championship game, as proved over and over and over and over

and stop with "if you let 8 in, then 9 and 10 will complain" so what?  in the NCAA, 65, 66, and 67 complain when they don't make it in, i guess they shouldn't have a tournament either?  it's much easier to say farg off to #9 then it is to #3...why didn't Georgia get to play in the championship game?  just because they didn't win the SEC?  Oklahoma got to play, and win it when they didn't win the Big 12 years ago.  anyone who tries to justify anything other than a playoff can't.

cant compare basketball and football...apples and oranges...if youre talking cfb playoff theres max four teams a year that derserve to be in it...theres 30 plus in basketball


forget the conference...georgia didnt win its sec DIVISION...they have no argument...theres no one in the country that thinks georgia is better than lsu...a college football playoff would be disasterous....the better option if you think the wrong teams get in the championship game every year is to have a better selection system as to who those teams are...a cbb type committee that selects the two teams for example

i dont know how you can watch this past cfb regular season and not see how great it was and not see how if you institute a 16 team playoff how it would make much of what is so great right now obsolete...the entire sec season was a college football playoff..except it was in unreal cfb atmoshpheres...not in artifical neutral site dome games with corporate crowds

[Cerevant]

Given the current BCS rules, excluding a championship game, the 4 major bowls would have been:

Rose: Ohio State vs. USC
Fiesta: Oklahoma vs. WVU
Orange: VT vs. Georgia
Sugar: LSU vs. Hawaii

The only argument would be about last spot (Georgia), because no other conference winner was even in the top 15.  If you really want to be anal, give it to BYU...same difference.

Add 2 games matching up the winners of these 4 bowl games.  Have the winners of those two games meet in the NCG.  How would this destroy the fabric of the universe?

[ice grillin you]

it wouldnt destroy anything but it would weaken the regular season all because you want a bunch of teams that have no business playing for the national championship in a phony playoff

what it would weaken...

it would have made that pitt wva game meaningless

it pretty much makes a mockery of the sec...where is tenn in your mix...they won their sec division and blew out georgia

the main thing is that 99% of cfb seasons there are not more than three deserving teams of being in the champ game....generally there are only two...the playoff argument holds weight this year more than usual because of the craziness of the regular season but im not willing to hurt the regular season and conference championship games because of a random odd year

again what it comes down to is making sure you have the two best possible teams in the final...a playoff doesnt do this...i fail to see how the positives of a playoff outweigh its negatives...in fact im not sure what the positives of a football playoff would be...its not basketball

[SunMo]

since when do the 2 best teams in any sport ever play in the final game?  rarely if ever


it's about putting the best teams, proven by a regular season, together at the end and letting them play it out to determine a champion.  who gives a farg about the 2 best teams...the best team doesn't always win

[Cerevant]

it wouldnt destroy anything but it would weaken the regular season all because you want a bunch of teams that have no business playing for the national championship in a phony playoff

The scenario I describe above has one team that is not a conference champ.  I went with the current rules, but there is no reason that could not be remedied.

it pretty much makes a mockery of the sec...where is tenn in your mix...they won their sec division and blew out georgia

Don't blame me, blame the poll voters who allow the recency effect to bias their bowl votes.  This is a pro-computer argument, btw...

again what it comes down to is making sure you have the two best possible teams in the final...a playoff doesnt do this...i fail to see how the positives of a playoff outweigh its negatives...in fact im not sure what the positives of a football playoff would be...its not basketball

Because there is no objective way to choose two teams.  If the pick were that obvious, there would be no debate.

[Sgt PSN]

since when do the 2 best teams in any sport ever play in the final game?  rarely if ever

I may be wrong, but I think the last time it happened in any sport (other than CFB) was the 1998 NBA Finals with Chicago and Utah.  

[Cerevant]

Is the argument that there shouldn't be a playoff in any football league?  Does it make sense to say that Green Bay and Indy have no legitimate claim to play for the NFL championship?

Edit: I'll concede that other sports are fundamentally different

[Sgt PSN]

Because there is no objective way to choose two teams.  If the pick were that obvious, there would be no debate.

Exactly.  If year in and year out the Nat Champ Game was being played by the only 2 unbeaten teams in the country then there wouldn't be as much room for debate.  But when you've got 2 loss teams playing in a title game instead of other 1 loss or 0 loss teams then I think it's a flawed system.