Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[reese125]

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[phillymic2000]

you hate emoticons

[Diomedes]

yeah, it's a real dream to be a teacher.  explains why the job lines for the profession are stacked so deep through good times and bad alike.  the kids are respectful, and the teachers enjoy sufficient authority to deal with them.  they get to teach what they want but only if it's in line with the liberal agenda of gay love, abortions for fun, and burning the flag.

tenure is just an academic word for welfare, it has no value and never did.

[ice grillin you]

seriously where outside of MA is 60-70k a lot of money...especially for a job as important as teaching

If it was that serious of a job, don't you think they would have higher standards?

what does that have to do with the importance of the job...it could have the lowest standards of any occupation in the world and it wouldnt make it any less important

im still laughing at someone thinking 60k after ten years of work in new jersey is a lot of money...if you live in the northeast have an education and are into your 30's and dont make 60 youre doing something terribly wrong

[phillymic2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC6EGeEc0F0&feature=related

Why not?

[phillymic2000]

seriously where outside of MA is 60-70k a lot of money...especially for a job as important as teaching

If it was that serious of a job, don't you think they would have higher standards?

what does that have to do with the importance of the job...it could have the lowest standards of any occupation in the world and it wouldnt make it any less important

im still laughing at someone thinking 60k after ten years of work in new jersey is a lot of money...if you live in the northeast have an education and are into your 30's and dont make 60 youre doing something terribly wrong

My brother in law has been teaching for 12 years, he is making close to 105k. His district paid for him to get his masters plus 54. with stipends he probably clears over 125k. After 32 years at the age of 55 he will make 80% of the average of his last 4 years of working. That ain't chump change for any profession. How many professionals have that kind of pension locked in?

[rjs246]

seriously where outside of MA is 60-70k a lot of money...especially for a job as important as teaching

If it was that serious of a job, don't you think they would have higher standards?

Name a more important job. There isn't one.

People brushing this off make me farging sick. How are we supposed to compete or have literate, intelligent children without competent teachers? But no, it's not that important. fargit. Let's force them to get masters degrees and pay them less than everyone else when they're done. Let's leave them powerless to discipline students. Meanwhile let's make them as complacent as possible in the knowledge that they will never make any more money than what they are scheduled to make no matter how good they are at their job. Sounds like a great way to attract top notch teachers.

[ice grillin you]

My brother in law has been teaching for 12 years, he is making close to 105k. His district paid for him to get his masters plus 54. with stipends he probably clears over 125k. After 32 years at the age of 55 he will make 80% of the average of his last 4 years of working. That ain't chump change for any profession. How many professionals have that kind of pension locked in?

really have no idea what your point is...nor do i care to find out

[phillymic2000]

what does that have to do with the importance of the job...it could have the lowest standards of any occupation in the world and it wouldnt make it any less important

I take teaching my kids as a serious job, to have a sloth teaching my kid and just playing the system ticks me off. I've seen it in all of the 4 districts I've been in. School District employees do live/work in the real world. They survive in an untouchable society because it has been protected over the years. I hope Charter schools continue to push and make school districts change their way. If a private business ran the way 75% of school districts do, they would be out of business in 6 months.

[ice grillin you]

again that has nothing to do with the importance of the job


and for every one of your examples of a bad teacher 10 teachers are out there going above and beyond the call of duty...or are just doing the normal good job most teachers do...like dio said people arent kicking down doors to teach in public schools...most do it because they wanna help children make a difference and better our society

typical right wing sweeping generalization...same thing you people do when you cite one person getting over on the welfare system and ignoring the millions of hardworking people assistance programs help every day

[Geowhizzer]

everyone knows that teachers are underpaid.  and the reason why there are so many bad teachers is because no sane person wants to spend 8 hours a day trying to teach someone else's douchebag kids how to prepare themselves for life.  

Work 180 days a year   get 2 weeks at christmas a week in the sping , every fargin holiday known to man how many people know what Pulaski day is , 11 weeks off in a fargin row in the summer have to as bill said molest a student to get in trouble probably father a child with said student to get fired retire after 32 years at 75 to 80% of your pay oh yeah get extra cash called a stipend for, hallway monitor (which happens while your getting paid already), any kind of coaching, lunch duty, bus duty, in school suspension duty, after school suspension, saturday school, free trips in the U.S.A and over seas as long as you "monitor" students, oh wait, more cash to help at football, baseball, basketball, wrestling, volleyball, FFA, soccer, softball, cheerleading, dance or anyother fargin activity that would distrub your normal "8" hour day. what a fargin life...

180 days is students.  Factor in 196 for the teachers.

Add in approximately 3 hours per day (on average) unpaid for grading / planning / meetings / conferences / IEP meetings beyond the contract time.

Add in the 180 inservice hours (or more) required every recertification period.

My stipends are:  department head ($1000 per year for); lead teacher ($1000 per year) - includes extra meetings and responsibilities (2X per month each), responsibilities in inventory/ordering/contact person to various groups/support activities) - probably a grand total of about 200 extra hours over the course of the school year.

I worked 7am to 10 pm four out of five days last week (awards ceremony, 8th grade dance, student-teacher volleyball game, department head meeting, and something else I can't recall right now).  Other than the department head meeting, I will not see a dime beyond my contract.

For that 8th grade dance alone there were teachers (and some parents) collecting donations of food, decorating, chaperoning, DJing (not me, you've all seen my musical tastes), and recording for posterity.  The science teacher on my team made a DVD slideshow and is making copies for any kid that brings in a DVD-R.  No stipends paid for any of those duties.

I won't say that some teachers don't milk the system - some certainly do.  But the majority I work with work damn hard at their job, damn hard at doing all the extracurricular activities (some paid, some not, but imagine the outrage if the precious children didn't have their pet program to go to).

I can't say how things are run in other states, but the people I work with down here work hard for little pay (no raise next year for the second day in a row - like many right now)and a lot more scorn than respect from many who think like you.  Might be why there is about a 30% yearly turnover rate (or at least there was before the economy tanked).  You have to be fully insane, or love this job (or both) to stick with it.  I'm in that boat - I'm flippin' crazy and love what I do, but I've even had thought of going to law school so I can learn how to legally steal money.  That may be my second career when I retire at 52.

[phillymic2000]

My brother in law has been teaching for 12 years, he is making close to 105k. His district paid for him to get his masters plus 54. with stipends he probably clears over 125k. After 32 years at the age of 55 he will make 80% of the average of his last 4 years of working. That ain't chump change for any profession. How many professionals have that kind of pension locked in?

really have no idea what your point is...nor do i care to find out

Basically unless he grabs or does something really stupid, he will make his cash and retire, there is no incentive to be an outstanding teacher. There should be some kind of incentivem, the better the students do the more you get paid.  I have bonuses built into my contract for extra cash. The more goals I meet the more cash and other benefits i get.

[ice grillin you]

180 days is students.  Factor in 196 for the teachers.

Add in approximately 3 hours per day (on average) unpaid for grading / planning / meetings / conferences / IEP meetings beyond the contract time.

Add in the 180 inservice hours (or more) required every recertification period.

My stipends are:  department head ($1000 per year for); lead teacher ($1000 per year) - includes extra meetings and responsibilities (2X per month each), responsibilities in inventory/ordering/contact person to various groups/support activities) - probably a grand total of about 200 extra hours over the course of the school year.

I worked 7am to 10 pm four out of five days last week (awards ceremony, 8th grade dance, student-teacher volleyball game, department head meeting, and something else I can't recall right now).  Other than the department head meeting, I will not see a dime beyond my contract.

sloth

[Geowhizzer]

180 days is students.  Factor in 196 for the teachers.

Add in approximately 3 hours per day (on average) unpaid for grading / planning / meetings / conferences / IEP meetings beyond the contract time.

Add in the 180 inservice hours (or more) required every recertification period.

My stipends are:  department head ($1000 per year for); lead teacher ($1000 per year) - includes extra meetings and responsibilities (2X per month each), responsibilities in inventory/ordering/contact person to various groups/support activities) - probably a grand total of about 200 extra hours over the course of the school year.

I worked 7am to 10 pm four out of five days last week (awards ceremony, 8th grade dance, student-teacher volleyball game, department head meeting, and something else I can't recall right now).  Other than the department head meeting, I will not see a dime beyond my contract.

sloth

Right now?  Yes.  I'm moving very slowly the past few days.  Can't wait for summer school to start next week.   

[phillymic2000]

I won't say that some teachers don't milk the system - some certainly do.  But the majority I work with work damn hard at their job, damn hard at doing all the extracurricular activities (some paid, some not, but imagine the outrage if the precious children didn't have their pet program to go to).

I can't say how things are run in other states, but the people I work with down here work hard for little pay (no raise next year for the second day in a row - like many right now)and a lot more scorn than respect from many who think like you.  Might be why there is about a 30% yearly turnover rate (or at least there was before the economy tanked).  You have to be fully insane, or love this job (or both) to stick with it.  I'm in that boat - I'm flippin' crazy and love what I do, but I've even had thought of going to law school so I can learn how to legally steal money.  That may be my second career when I retire at 52.

And IMO this is why there needs to be a different system to compensate teachers like you, or others who are dedicated to the students and districts. We have many like this in my district. There are also plenty of slackers. One funny note is the NEA in illinois supported Blago after they accused him for 3 of his 4 years of stealing from the pension plan, because one reason, and one reason only.  gotta love chi-town politics