Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[phillymic2000]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/05/obama.stimulus/index.html

Obama rejected calls for more tax cuts and significant slashing of the bill's more than $800 billion price tag, and said complaints the package was a spending bill rather than a stimulus bill were off base.

"What do you think a stimulus bill is?" he said. "That's the point."

No the point is to get this economy out of its funk. Mr. President has never called it a spending bill, or referred to it as a spending bill, it's always been to stimulate the economy, to put people back to work.

To critics who argue that the government shouldn't be spending billions with a large and growing deficit, Obama said, "I found this national debt doubled, wrapped in a big bow waiting for me as I stepped into the Oval Office."

Did it jump out and say SURPRISE!!? And why not, lets double, hell maybe triple it while were at it.

The American people called for change in November, he said, "and that's what we're going to deliver."

I thought he was going to change the way things were done in washington? Cause if this is his definition of change then 

"They did not send us here to get bogged down with the same old delay, the same old distractions, the same talking points, the same cable chatter," he said. "They did not vote for the false theories of the past, and they didn't vote for phony arguments and petty politics, and they did not vote for the status quo."

Really? because the dems have been in power except for the pres. for the "past" two years.

Thats exactly what this bill stands for, the status quo. This bill is business as usual, same old shtein from Washington DC

Obama told his fellow Democrats that they have "the capacity to do great things" on behalf of the American people, "but we are going to have to do it by not thinking about ourselves."

"If we do not move swiftly to sign [the act] into law, an economy that is already in crisis will be faced with catastrophe," he said. "This is not my assessment. This is not Nancy Pelosi's assessment. This is the assessment of the best economists in the country. This is the assessment of some of the former advisers of some of the same folks who are making these criticisms right now."

didn't the last dipshtein say the same thing when we "had" to pass the last bullshtein one?

The United States cannot win there by military means alone, Obama said. He stressed the need to make sure that Afghanistan does not become a safe haven for terrorists. The president highlighted the importance of diplomatic efforts in Pakistan as well.

The president "said he'd rather do what's right and serve one term than just do what's politically good and be a mediocre president and get to serve two terms," Melancon said.

cough bullshtein cough

Melancon, a fiscal conservative, said he didn't support every program in the House bill.
"We couldn't explain some of them," he said. For instance, "how does giving out condoms put people back to work?"

But Melancon criticized Republicans who focused on only a small fraction of the stimulus bill, calling it "chump change."

WTF money is money bitch!! and they say this guy is a fiscal conservative

He acknowledged that although a stimulus package might not work, he said Congress needs to act or risk "total collapse" of the economy.

So lets run as fast as we can against a brick wall without thinking and see if we knock it down. This guy went to school in a tart cart.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland praised Republicans who voted with Democrats and said they showed true bipartisanship. But he railed against the Republican leadership, which told its members to vote against the original stimulus bill.

I'd like to know what he thinks of the dems who voted no.

[ice grillin you]

good new book that im in the middle of exposing reagan for the devil that he was...written by will bunch of the daily news....highly suggested reading material

[Tomahawk]

He acknowledged that although a stimulus package might not work, he said Congress needs to act or risk "total collapse" of the economy.

So lets run as fast as we can against a brick wall without thinking and see if we knock it down.

I ran full speed into a chain link fence once. The cops caught me soon thereafter.

[shorebird]

"They did not send us here to get bogged down with the same old delay, the same old distractions, the same talking points, the same cable chatter," he said. "They did not vote for the false theories of the past, and they didn't vote for phony arguments and petty politics, and they did not vote for the status quo."

Really? because the dems have been in power except for the pres. for the "past" two years.

Thats exactly what this bill stands for, the status quo. This bill is business as usual, same old shtein from Washington DC

I agree 100%. This "stimulus" bill is nothing but a pork laden piece of ka kaa, that needs to be torn down and done over.

The shine has worn off Obama rather quickly. The freshness is gone. Before the election we saw a great speaker who talked of change. Now we see who he really is with this bill, a greasy elitist liberal Democrat from Chicago.

He wants change alright. He wants to spend more money than any president ever, our money. Also, what gets me is the frantic and frenzied way  he is  trying to push this thing through with the quickness. It's like he's saying, "hurry up and get this done before those idiots notice".

[shorebird]

http://www.youtube.com/v/tjeJnjUGnIA

[Diomedes]

A question for you people crying pork.  What is the stimulus package supposed to look like?

We've got Republicans saying tax cuts to everyone, especially the wealthy capitalists/corporations. 

And we've got Democrats saying, increase spending to state agencies (highway, science, education, etc.) and the states.

These seem to be our two methods of addressing the problem.  Neither option reduces the national debt.  How do you expect to get people back to work and be happy with the method?

[Tomahawk]

Jesus miracles straight from Valhalla, Dio

[rjs246]

If you ask me you're all out of your goddamned minds to be getting so outrageously upset over the 'pork' in this bill. The wasteful spending in the bill amounts to a few percent of the total package. Like 2%. Some of the items were and are ridiculous, but for you to be calling Obama a 'greasy liberal elitist' because the bill has earmarks written into it by Nancy Pelosi is the height of idiocy.

There are two paths the country can take right now.

1. Pass a massive stimulus bill (in order to truly immediately stimulate the economy the bill should actually be bigger than it is right now) that creates jobs and hope that increased employment will bring things back in order.
2. Raise taxes and cut spending across the board, weathering many more months/years of falling employment numbers until the budget is balanced and things right themselves.

Neither plan is going to be an immediate cure to the economic problems and god forbid we raise anyone's precious taxes to bring our budget back to even. So we're left with a stimulus. It's expensive and it's got a small amount of spending that we should do without, but this uproar is being completely manufactured and has no basis in reality.

Should shtein be cut out of the bill? Yes, and it probably will be. Is the stimulus a bad idea? Maybe, maybe not, but we won't find out for years. In the mean time the only other reasonable option is to essentially 'do nothing' but tax the population more and cut spending. This bill attempts to 'do something' about it by creating jobs.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

What's insane is the total cost in relation to how much money there ISN'T to pay for it.  You have to believe that creating money out of thin air is going to create an inflation problem.  But hey, whatever, let's go eat some paste.

[Diomedes]

Inflation is better than deflation, no?  And deflation is a real possibility, no?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Inflation of prices is a result of deflation/devaluation of the currency.

And yes, we're farged.  And spending all this funny money is only going to make the farging worse.

[ice grillin you]

what rjs said

a big fat lololol to anyone thinking there could be an 800 BILLION dollar bill of any kind with no pork...pork is a non issue here unless you can show an example of it that takes up a significant amount of money in relation to the whole package

pork has become such an overused cliched term anyway...people dont even know what pork anymore...its just a cool thing to say because people think it makes them smart and on top of the issues...all it now means is something in a bill passed by congress that I dont agree with

if you want something in the bill that isnt there such as more tax cuts fine thats a fair argument...but stop with the pork stuff it makes you sound like a simpleton

the farging issue here and its really the only issue...will the god damn thing work...and the little pork that it contains has no bearing on its chances at success

[rjs246]

What's insane is the total cost in relation to how much money there ISN'T to pay for it.  You have to believe that creating money out of thin air is going to create an inflation problem.  But hey, whatever, let's go eat some paste.

That's a completely reasonable argument, of course. From a strictly financial standpoint I, for one, would argue that we should raise taxes, cut/reform entitlements programs, reform the tax code, and eliminate our oil and drug wars from the budget.

The problem is that there are other MASSIVE problems facing the country that have indirect impacts on the economy. Our educational system is falling well behind the rest of the modern world and needs to be reformed. Our infrastructure has been ignored for decades. Our health care is more expensive than any other country's and is wildly inefficient while still not covering everyone. Fixing these things will improve our economic issues in the long run but take money to address.

We've been put into a position where there is too much to fix and no money to fix it. Zombie apocalypse time.

[shorebird]

a big fat lololol to anyone thinking there could be an 800 BILLION dollar bill of any kind with no pork...pork is a non issue here unless you can show an example of it that takes up a significant amount of money in relation to the whole package

pork has become such an overused cliched term anyway...people dont even know what pork anymore...its just a cool thing to say because people think it makes them smart and on top of the issues...all it now means is something in a bill passed by congress that I dont agree with

Yeah, well I disagree with 95% percent of the people here so take one word from one of my post and turn it around to make it look like something it isn't. This bill is something Nancy Pelosi and the far left put together that rewards unions, that spends billions on global warming research, and goes into all kinds of social engineering. We don't need research on global warming in this bill, or birth control for the kids, income redistribution, new cars for federal workers, or 54 mil just sitting there to be spent on whatever. The majority of Americans don't want to spend a trillion dollars on social engineering and other liberal bullcrap. They want jobs. But, the bill seems to be wrong in even that respect. The "Buy American" clause in the bill has other countries up in arms, and could end up resulting in all out trade wars.

I don't pretend to know everything thats in the 600 pages of the stimulus package. But, 50 billion out of the 800 billion is whats being debated over, so yeah, you could call that 50 billion pork. That would be 1/12th pork.

[rjs246]

Actually, that would be 1/16th pork and since the bill is currently closer to 900 billion, it would really be 1/18th pork.

You're clearly overlooking the big picture in order to nitpick over 5% of a left-leaning bill.