Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Diomedes]

Mostly I just want credit, love, and affection for having opposed them when no one else did, and for successfully leading the liberal wing of this board until I could hand the job off to the likes of vigy and Cerevant.

[hbionic]

Dio, just run for re-election.

[Rome]

The thing about nonebetta is he was completely different on the old Eagles board.  I was shocked when I showed up here and found him to be such a tight-ass fundie dickhead.

[Diomedes]

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[Diomedes]

Dio, just run for re-election.

Nah, I've moved on to Joe Six pack Republican now that I'm married and I own a home.  Besides, I'm not sure I want to get in ATV's way for that job.  He's eager.

[Diomedes]

The thing about nonebetta is he was completely different on the old Eagles board.  I was shocked when I showed up here and found him to be such a tight-ass fundie dickhead.

I will always be ashamed of myself for letting that dude get under my skin.  I must be nearly as stupid as him to have been bothered by him.

Drink to forget.

[Seabiscuit36]

If you people think this board is liberal, you're nuts.  Or your definition of liberal is pretty conservative.  Pun for Rome. This place is moderate left at most on balance.  And that's a development over time.  It used to be far more conservative than this.

Maybe is like the country as a whole.  Insofar as 'awful' could be compared, it's a fit.

I'm a R, i just think the conservatives drifted way to far right for me to even want to be a part of.  Mostly Religious crap, and the pandering to the evangelist

[Rome]

Please never compare yourself to that taterskins idiot ever again.  Even in jest.

[bowzer]

Speaking for myself, I have made note of "non-issues" when they exist in stark contrast to the accusations made by McCain and the Republican party. 

Obama's pastor thinks the US instigated the terrorist attacks - Palin accepted the blessings of a witch hunter
Obama is an elitist - McCain has 7 houses, Palin spends 150k on clothes?
Obama is inexperienced - And Palin is experienced at what?
Obama's wife hasn't always been proud to be an American - And Todd Palin was a member of a secessionist party?
Obama "pals around with terrrorists" - McCain pals around with G. Gordon Liddy and Palin refuses to call those who bomb abortion clinics terrorists

So, to those McCain supporters who claim to focus on the issues: What would make McCain a good president? 

McCain would redistribute wealth to the wealthiest 5% and businesses. 
McCain would increase the cost of employers providing health insurance (by taxing it) and give tax credits that would pay less than half of the average cost of family health coverage.
McCain has demonstrated support for an adversarial approach to foreign policy that has the US pouring resources into two wars and has the country at odds with many of its former allies.
McCain stakes his claim as a "Maverick" on his opposition to earmarks but sees no conflict of interest in taking political action which returns orders of magnitude more money to corporations.
McCain has significant health issues which call into question if he'll be able to complete even one term, yet his VP candidate is one of the least qualified in history - even according to members of his own party.

Without talking about Obama, can you make a case for McCain?

Can you make a case for Obama?   

Politics is usually about the lesser of two levels.  In this case, I'm faced with voting for an inexperienced senator with no real initiatives in senate, who runs around promising change and socialist reform, or a moderately conservative senator who picked a questionable running mate.  I'll go for the later.  It's hilarious that the Obamaites point to Sarah's inexperience though.  She's not running for president, Obama is.  And it's a proven fact that at the end of the day, when people cast their ballots, they only care who at the top of the ticket.
In the end though, I'll vote for the guy who I think is going to keep the country the safest, and not the guy whose own running mate said he will be tested in his first months in office.

[SD_Eagle5]

Mostly I just want credit, love, and affection for having opposed them when no one else did, and for successfully leading the liberal wing of this board until I could hand the job off to the likes of vigy and Cerevant.

Maverick

[Rome]

LOL @ McCain keeping the country safe.  Safe from what exactly - the boogeyman?  If you don't think Obama would do his duty as commander in chief, then you're a complete farging bonehead. 

That said, the difference between Obama and a hotheaded senile old farg like McCain is, Obama's first instinct would be to use diplomacy to resolve conflicts, whereas McCain, being the military fossil that he is, would likely start sending cruise missiles up someone's ass before actually thinking it through.

Oh, and another thing... it would be nice if we actually had allies in this ridiculous war on terror that we're supposed to be waging, and if anyone here thinks potential allies around the world are looking forward to another four years of Republican ineptitude and outright thuggery, then you're even dumber than Sarah Palin.

[ATV]

I'm a R, i just think the conservatives drifted way to far right for me to even want to be a part of.  Mostly Religious crap, and the pandering to the evangelist

I've always been a Democrat, though I supported Perot (I never voted for Clinton though I consider him to have been a fine President), and voted for Nader instead of Gore (though I would have voted for Gore had I been in a swing state). I never used to consider myself very political until Bush Jr. and his lying criminals came into power. After the last eight years I think a lot of people have become that way. There are Republicans like Colin Powell, George Bush Sr., etc. that , while I don't agree with most of their policies, I consider them to be credible, honest, Americans. Then there is this new breed of incompetent Repubelicans that will use any means to achieve their ends. So what chiefly bothers me isn't just their Right Wing ends ("Mostly Religious crap, and the pandering to the evangelist",etc.), it's the scumbag (and often blatantly illegal) ways they push their agenda. Also, and I've written this before, while I agree that conservatives in general have drifted far rightward, this has affected a new generation of young people coming up the voter block pipeline that should keep Democrats largely in control of the government for several election cycles. The Republican party will have no choice but changing unless they want to remain total outcasts

[PhillyPhreak54]

http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results

Pretty cool...

[MadMarchHare]

Speaking for myself, I have made note of "non-issues" when they exist in stark contrast to the accusations made by McCain and the Republican party. 

Obama's pastor thinks the US instigated the terrorist attacks - Palin accepted the blessings of a witch hunter
Obama is an elitist - McCain has 7 houses, Palin spends 150k on clothes?
Obama is inexperienced - And Palin is experienced at what?
Obama's wife hasn't always been proud to be an American - And Todd Palin was a member of a secessionist party?
Obama "pals around with terrrorists" - McCain pals around with G. Gordon Liddy and Palin refuses to call those who bomb abortion clinics terrorists

So, to those McCain supporters who claim to focus on the issues: What would make McCain a good president? 

McCain would redistribute wealth to the wealthiest 5% and businesses. 
McCain would increase the cost of employers providing health insurance (by taxing it) and give tax credits that would pay less than half of the average cost of family health coverage.
McCain has demonstrated support for an adversarial approach to foreign policy that has the US pouring resources into two wars and has the country at odds with many of its former allies.
McCain stakes his claim as a "Maverick" on his opposition to earmarks but sees no conflict of interest in taking political action which returns orders of magnitude more money to corporations.
McCain has significant health issues which call into question if he'll be able to complete even one term, yet his VP candidate is one of the least qualified in history - even according to members of his own party.

Without talking about Obama, can you make a case for McCain?

Can you make a case for Obama?   

Politics is usually about the lesser of two levels.  In this case, I'm faced with voting for an inexperienced senator with no real initiatives in senate, who runs around promising change and socialist reform, or a moderately conservative senator who picked a questionable running mate.  I'll go for the later.  It's hilarious that the Obamaites point to Sarah's inexperience though.  She's not running for president, Obama is.  And it's a proven fact that at the end of the day, when people cast their ballots, they only care who at the top of the ticket.
In the end though, I'll vote for the guy who I think is going to keep the country the safest, and not the guy whose own running mate said he will be tested in his first months in office.

Don't really need to make a case for Obama.  Make a case for Palin.  It's not her inexperience that terrifies me, she's a farging idiot.
And McCain has had melanoma several times.  And, if he wins, would be the oldest first-term president ever.  So there is every possibility you could have President Palin.  If that doesn't scare the shtein out of you, you must be as dumb as she is.

[shorebird]

Screw Obama and McCain, I'm voting for Ralf Nadar.