Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[ice grillin you]

as soon as that camera is off hes gonna farg that little dog

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

[Cerevant]

I guess flip-flops are OK if you get enough cash for them...

Campaign contributions from oil industry executives to Sen. John McCain rose dramatically in the last half of June, after the senator from Arizona made a high-profile split with environmentalists and reversed his opposition to the federal ban on offshore drilling.

Oil and gas industry executives and employees donated $1.1 million to McCain last month -- three-quarters of which came after his June 16 speech calling for an end to the ban -- compared with $116,000 in March, $283,000 in April and $208,000 in May.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

That's chump change compared to what Obama's getting from his special interests: hippies and thugs!


Oh, you so got told.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Obama VP update

Oh, and Robert Novak completely agrees with IGY

[Cerevant]

At least Novak comes up with some numbers and logic, rather than just talking out of his ass.

Maybe IGY's mom needs to upgrade her internet connection so he can read more.

[ice grillin you]

i hate to brag but damn im good

[Cerevant]

I'm sure VIGY didn't read the article, so let me point out that the "agreement" is not as clear cut as it seems.  When someone backs up their arguments, it is easier to show the fallacies in their logic:

* Large summer poll margins have been largely fiction in the past, due to bad methodology.
* No one but the press expected an Obama bump from the foreign trip.  That trip wasn't about immediate reaction, but ammo for later.
* This article cites results from individual polls, which are meaningless  (only trends matter)
* The article ignores the impact of the third party candidates, which this year seem to be stealing votes from the Republican.
* Obama hasn't said that the surge didn't work, he said that it wasn't relevant.  The author makes it clear he has missed the point when he calls the surge a "strategy".  Obama has been going to great lengths to distinguish tactics (surge) from strategy (nothing to be gained from further fighting in Iraq)

While VIGY never commits to details so he can dance around the interpretations of his ridiculous points.

Still, there were some legit points made in the article:

* Obama should have gotten more of a bump after he beat Hillary, but some of those gains were probably lost to racists shifting to Repub/Ind/Undecided
* Obama has to go on the offensive.  Not necessarily negative, but he seems to be stuck responding to silly attacks rather than getting his message out.  If this continues into October, it could hurt him bad.

Obama needs to shift things a couple points his way to firm up his hold on a couple states and grab a few buffer states.  This should happen with a solid VP pick.  If it doesn't, then I'd say he needs to do something drastic.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

McCain is so awkward.  It's game over after the first debate.

[ice grillin you]

McCain is so awkward.  It's game over after the first debate.

unless barry comes out in his turbin and traditional tribal garb

[Cerevant]

Does anyone see what McCain is after with his insistence on Town Halls?  Is it that he doesn't think that "common people" will ask tough, insightful questions?  Or is it that he fears the bias of the moderators?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

McCain is so awkward.  It's game over after the first debate.

unless barry comes out in his turbin and traditional tribal garb

...and says, "Hey, where the white womens at?"

Does anyone see what McCain is after with his insistence on Town Halls?  Is it that he doesn't think that "common people" will ask tough, insightful questions?  Or is it that he fears the bias of the moderators?

"Common people" do not deliberately ask the most difficult questions.  They ask the questions that are most important to them.  Usually, that does help the candidate that is less prepared to even the playing field.  I don't think it's any particular bias that is the problem; it's that the moderators from the press are all looking to play the role of Bernie Shaw to Mike Dukakis.

[phillymic2000]

IMO he thinks he can take Obama in a talk with the common person, not reading a speach, just talking and answering questions. I don't really think he can, but the old man thinks so.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Again, I don't think it's as much that he actually thinks he can "take" Obama as that he won't lose the debate by quite as much.  Then again, McCain could conceivably have no idea how badly he's losing.

REAGAN SMASH!

[Cerevant]

I guess that was my point - McCain's "off the cuff" comments are the ones which have been the most damning so far.  I don't see how this plays to his strengths: he is much more likely to make a major mistake if his comments are not prepared.