Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[ice grillin you]

i saw that live...it was great...but they left out the best part....after williams start making fun of mathews chris says something like if thats the story here dont jump on it "let it stand"

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Ha, nice.  BTW, I thought the same thing last night.  Watching McCain after Obama was a major letdown.

Also...

SHARPTON CALLS ON THE DNC TO NOT SEAT MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA DELEGATES
Wed Feb 13 2008 09:42:14 ET

Dear Governor Dean:

I write this letter as a former Democratic candidate for President of the United States and a civil rights leader who has fought his entire life for fairness and justice for all people regardless of the color of their skin. I firmly believe that changing the rules now, and seating delegates from Florida and Michigan at this point would not only violate the Democratic party's rules of fairness, but also would be a grave injustice.

As former Presidential candidates we both know that, whether we liked them or not, we adhered to the rules set forth by the Democratic party to select its nominee for president. For example, I would have much preferred starting the nominating process with caucuses and primaries in South Carolina and Washington D.C. than Iowa and New Hampshire. Nonetheless, I knew the rules, abided by them, and ultimately accepted the consequences. Changing the rules in the middle of a presidential contest is patently unfair both to the candidates (including Senator Edwards) and to Democratic voters everywhere.

Some have said that not seating delegations from Florida and Michigan disenfranchises Democratic voters -- especially African American voters -- from those two states. That claim, if true, should have been made many months ago before the decision was made to strip these states of their delegates, and, once the decision was made, it should have been vigorously objected to and contested by those who felt it disenfranchised voters. To raise that claim now smacks of politics in its form most raw and undercuts the moral authority behind such an argument.

As a civil rights leader who is neutral in this presidential primary season and who highly respects both remaining Democratic candidates, I think we have a responsibility to protect both candidates from charges that the process was tainted so that our eventual nominee does not start the general election campaign under a cloud. Clearly, the justifiably proud and intense passions of each candidate's supporters will be on full display in the months leading up to the convention. However, the Democratic Party and independent voices within must temper over enthusiasm by either side and the party must be resolute in ensuring that there is one set of rules by which we select our nominee.

In Progress,

Reverend Al Sharpton, President of National Action Network

[Rome]

fairness and justice for all people regardless of the color of their skin

Funniest line ever?

[Cerevant]

Anyone who still thinks Hillary is more electable than Obama should watch this well thought out video by Lawrence Lessig, geek lawyer extraordinaire.

[Philly Crew]

CNN declares VA for Obama about four seconds after the polls close.

Landslide Tuesday, apparently.

Exit polls showing him killing in MD and DC too.  Frontrunner what?


Meanwhile, VA Republicans love them some Huckabee.  farging idiots.  McCain might still pull it out, but I just don't get Huckabee's appeal.  He's fiscally wishy-washy and socially extreme.

I think that many of the Virginia voters were voting against McCain more than the support for Huckabee.  They don't view McCain as a true "conservative" due to McCain's position on immigration, tax cuts (which he has now flipped), and campaign finance reform.

I agree with you that Huckabee is probably even less conservative on fiscal issues than McCain but McCain is being judged on his position on the Bush tax cuts.  Of course, if you really think about it, a true "conservative" wouldn't try to implement tax cuts during a war, thereby throwing the U.S. deeper in debt.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Frankly, a true fiscal conservative should first be concerned with balancing the budget.  If a directed war on terror was needed, other programs and bureaucracies should have been cut, or tax revenue should have been increased to pay for it.  Instead, an overblown war was waged on an old enemy, Bin Laden's still alive and well and likely plotting something worse than 9/11, and the deficit is as big as ever.

Still, the assumption that the difference can be made up by simply raising taxes on "rich" people and scaling back defense spending is ludicrous, let alone proposing a ton of other new government spending programs and entitlements.

[Father Demon]

I can't get past the fact that every time I here Obama speak, I think I'm listening to The Rock.  I keep expecting him to break out with the "Can you smell what Obama's cooking!!"

[ice grillin you]

[Phanatic]

McCain has said that he would not approve or vote for tax cuts without spending limits attached. Even now he is proposing making the Bush tax cuts perm but wants spending limits put in place. That's not a true flip flop if you listen to what he's saying but the fact that everyone focuses on sound bites means he's unelectable really.

That and Obama has truly figured out how to get people to vote. The vocal minority religious right freaks of nature don't have power over the election like they usually do. Though once the population stops being excited and goes back into complacency they'll be back electing conservative politicians that get their talking points from the Rush/Hannity propoganda machine.

[Phanatic]

...as an example of vocal minority evangelicals are just 7% of the adult population in the US yet they're one of the more powerful political forces in the nation today because all 7% vote and they all vote the same exact way.

[Cerevant]

It makes me shudder when I come back to PA to visit family.  Fox news is on the TV, and I have my stepmother telling me that she thinks Rudy is too liberal to get elected, before she heads out for her anti-abortion picketing.

It is time for people who can think for themselves to take back control of the US.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

It is time for people who can think for themselves to take back control of the US.

That's amusing and ironic, considering you're implying that people should best display that they can think for themselves by agreeing with you.

One-sided politicos like yourself want to assume that political stance is a matter of intelligence and that their side has all the smarts.  It's actually quite hilarious.

[Cerevant]

There's a difference between those who I disagree with - like yourself - who have their opinions and ways of solving problems, and those who blindly follow the propaganda and parrot whatever they are told to say on Fox News or at church. 

I stand firmly behind the value of critical thinking, and will actively engage in debate not only to share my opinions with others, but to better understand and refine my own views.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I stand firmly behind the value of critical thinking

I think I found your problem.  This does not occur in American politics for extended periods of time.

[Phanatic]

I sometimes agree with the republicans and sometimes agree with the democrats when I analyze the issues for myself. When it comes from the GOP propoganda machine though it's hard to stomach and my knee jerk reaction is to reject it no matter what because of the way it is packaged and presented. I think it's the "We're all right and anyone who disagrees with us is unAmerican."