Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[PhillyPhreak54]

I tend to side with the universal health care thing simply because there are so many poor people in this country who need medical insurance and cannot have it. And alot of times you see kids who dont have it; why should a child suffer with illnesses and the like because healthcare is too expensive? And why should rich people be afforded a better chance to live versus the regular working schmucks or people who cannot work and kids?

both plans cover children regardless phreak...but you make a fair point in that youre still going to have poor adults who cant afford it even under barrys "affordable" health care for all plan...thats where i think universal is better but i also think that adults have to make their own decisions....its really a hard issue not to be on the fence about...especially without seeing how affordable its really gonna be under the non universal plan

You're right, adults make their own decisions. And if someone flat out refuses to take health care at their job to keep the extra cash, thats their choice. But I can see how some people refuse to take it now, especially plans that cover families because it is so freaking expensive. If a guy is struggling to bring home 1600 a month and has to dish out 500 of that for medical, then its the system that needs fixing.

They should have a system where its based on a persons income. If someone is at or below the poverty line, universal healthcare. Between, say, 15-25K, they pay X amount. And once you get to maybe 40K and up then its the same costing.

I just have a problem with seeing hard working people getting the shaft. And insurance, auto/medical/life/whetever, is such a damn scam. They make it hard and tedious to follow everything. Simplify and lessen the cost, which is Obama's plan and I dig it.

[Cerevant]

The problem I have with health care in the US is that the US Federal government spends more on health care per capita than most of the civilized world, but 15% of the population can't afford to go see a family doctor.  This does not include the money paid out by employers and individuals.

I can see opposing universal health care if it meant taxing more and spending more, but if other countries can do it for less (with better results), why can't the US?

[Rome]

Because the health care industry in this country is more about profit than they are about actually treating sick people?

[ice grillin you]

if he wins mccain might die in his four year term

so really im not to concerned with what he says will happen 100 years from now

You missed the point....again.  The one thing I really don't like about McCain is that he's going to keep the Dubbya War Machine at full speed.  Why we're at war now is beyond me.  Is Iraq going to attack us if we leave?  I'm all about going to war if our country or our Consitution are threatened.  There is no threat to our country as a whole right now.  Never really has been.  

i wasnt addressing any point you made...i was simply saying mccain is a dilapidated old farg and no one should vote for him

i win

[PhillyPhreak54]

Because the health care industry in this country is more about profit than they are about actually treating sick people?

The $69 I spent for some nurse to prick my finger and get a blood drop on Monday agrees with you.

[SD_Eagle5]

Because the health care industry in this country is more about profit than they are about actually treating sick people?

The $69 I spent for some nurse to prick my finger and get a blood drop on Monday agrees with you.

Want to be even more sick? Watch Sicko. Moore's a left wing nut but his documentary makes a ton of good points.

[Cerevant]

About half of what Moore says is grossly exaggerated, but what's left is still enough to get you pretty pissed off.

[ice grillin you]

Moore's a left wing nut but

watch it

[Diomedes]

I heard some numbers today on NPR about yesterday's voting...


D.C.: total votes cast in democratic primary around 120,000...in Republican primary...about 6,000

VA:  number of voters in democratic primary 2004 about 300,000....numbers yesterday: 990,000

I may have the exact numbers off, since I'm quoting from memory, but the proportions are correct.

[phattymatty]

barry's bringing everyone out to vote.  i've been here for almost 8 years now and have never seen so much interest in an election before.  it's great.

[ice grillin you]

I heard some numbers today on NPR about yesterday's voting...


D.C.: total votes cast in democratic primary around 120,000...in Republican primary...about 6,000

VA:  number of voters in democratic primary 2004 about 300,000....numbers yesterday: 990,000

I may have the exact numbers off, since I'm quoting from memory, but the proportions are correct.

and thats in horrible weather

[Diomedes]

Can I call Obama 'Barry' too, or is that only for the cool kids?

[phattymatty]

[MDS]

lol

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Chris Matthews expressed his latest over the top admiration for Obama's speaking skills as the MSNBC anchor admitted that Obama's speech created a "thrill" in his leg: "It's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often." Minutes later, Brian Williams poked fun at Matthews' confession: "Let's talk about that feeling Chris gets up his leg when Obama talks ... That seems to be the headline of this half hour."