Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[rjs246]

I consider people who want to close our borders and deport every un-naturalized citizen and every child born of those people (children born IN THIS COUNTRY) to be a whack job. I also consider people to want to abolish the Department of Education to be whackjobs. Oh, and he wants to privatize all health care, leaving a HUGE portion of the population without the means to get medical treatment.  Basically, he has taken defensible conservative notions as far to the right and outside of the real world as he can. Whack. Job.

[ice grillin you]

hes essentially for anarchy...is there a govt institution he doesnt wanna abolish or make all but obsolete

[Butchers Bill]

I consider people who want to close our borders and deport every un-naturalized citizen and every child born of those people (children born IN THIS COUNTRY) to be a whack job. I also consider people to want to abolish the Department of Education to be whackjobs. Oh, and he wants to privatize all health care, leaving a HUGE portion of the population without the means to get medical treatment.  Basically, he has taken defensible conservative notions as far to the right and outside of the real world as he can. Whack. Job.

Should we have open borders and allow any and all in that want to come?  I don't think thats what you (or any rational person) wants, so the other alternatives are to continue what we are doing (which is not working) or close the borders to allow legal immigration only.  Also, if a person is born in the US with parents who are illegals, that child is also therefore illegal and should be deported.

The Dept of Education at the Federal level is duplicated 50 times over at the State level and is not needed.

As far as health care, I guess his thought process is the US had the best health care in the world before the govt stepped in and created HMOs.  There has to be a happy medium between 100% private and 100% govt healthcare.  Right?   

BTW, I am getting a Ron Paul sign for my yard today.  Anybody else want one?    

[Cerevant]

hes essentially for anarchy...is there a govt institution he doesnt wanna abolish or make all but obsolete

Wrong - he just wants to move it down to the state level where it doesn't have to try to be everything to everybody.  I think he is the only one willing to accept that the US has a large number of sub-cultures that have the right to live in a manner that suits them.

In Canada, health care is not provided on the Federal level - it is provided by the Provinces. BB is right - the duplication over several levels of government adds all kinds of duplication and holes for pork to be poured in to.

[rjs246]

Should we have open borders and allow any and all in that want to come?  I don't think thats what you (or any rational person) wants, so the other alternatives are to continue what we are doing (which is not working) or close the borders to allow legal immigration only.  Also, if a person is born in the US with parents who are illegals, that child is also therefore illegal and should be deported.

Actually, I do think that our borders should be open, with reasonable checks. Everyone pisses and moans about how immigrants don't pay taxes but use our public services, but that shtein doesn't bother me. We aren't talking about people who work here and make 100k a year and aren't paying taxes. In fact, we aren't talking about people who make 50k a year and don't pay taxes. We're talking about day laborers, cooks, janitors and people who are barely making enough to get by, who are universally underpaid and who make every one of our service industries go. At the risk of sounding cold-hearted, they provide a necessary function that no one wants to take part in at below legal wages. Deport all of those workers and watch how much more expensive a meal at TGIFriday's becomes. Their lack of contributions in taxes balance out their contributions in the service industry.

Further, this country was founded on the idea that America is a land of opportunity. If you've got a stick up your ass about immigrants, give them an easy route to citizenship. As far as the children go, as far as I'm concerned, anyone born here is a citizen and should be welcomed as such.

The Dept of Education at the Federal level is duplicated 50 times over at the State level and is not needed.

Education varies wildly from state to state and even county to county. Clearly the states are not succeeding in providing good across-the-board education to their students. The Federal Government hasn't fixed the problem, but until the problem is fixed no one should be pushing for the abolishment of any organization that is tasked with dealing with education. This country is falling on its face education-wise and we need more people dealing with the problem, not less.

As far as health care, I guess his thought process is the US had the best health care in the world before the govt stepped in and created HMOs.  There has to be a happy medium between 100% private and 100% govt healthcare.  Right?

I agree with you, for people who work in corporate america. There should be a mix of private and government healthcare options. I'm talking about health care for the millions of people who live at or below the poverty line who's employers don't give them healthcare and who certainly can't afford to pay for insurance themselves. That's too big of a population to give the finger to, especially when every western government has laid out all sorts of blueprints for the US to follow and follow successfully.

[Butchers Bill]

Its a common misnomer for people who are for closing the borders to be called "anti-immigrant".  The truth is far from that.  I totally agree that there are jobs in the US that need immigrant labor, however that labor needs to be controlled and legal.  Illegal immigration must be stopped and stopped immediatly.  In order for that to happen the border needs to be closed.

Now, we just can't shut the border and consider it "mission accomplished".  Hand-in-hand with the border closing we have to make it easier to immigrate, especially for migrant workers.  There is a significant security issue with open borders, not just for terrorists but for gangs and drug runners as well.

[ice grillin you]

paul wants EVERYTHING done at the state level...he literally wants no federal govt period...that is lunacy

his most laughable stance was calling for the abolishment of the dept of education then casting a vote supporting a constitutional ammendment that would have brought prayer into public schools

[rjs246]

There is a significant security issue with open borders, not just for terrorists but for gangs and drug runners as well.

Our borders have been open for the entire history of the United States. All of a sudden, after World Wars one and two, the Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, now we suddenly have a security risk on our hands? Give me a break, that's government scare tactics rotting your brain.

Gangs and drug runners? Who are you, Elliot Ness?

[Butchers Bill]

There is a significant security issue with open borders, not just for terrorists but for gangs and drug runners as well.

Our borders have been open for the entire history of the United States. All of a sudden, after World Wars one and two, the Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, now we suddenly have a security risk on our hands? Give me a break, that's government scare tactics rotting your brain.

Gangs and drug runners? Who are you, Elliot Ness?

Just because its been ignored doesn't mean it was good policy.

[ice grillin you]

Our borders have been open for the entire history of the United States. All of a sudden, after World Wars one and two, the Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, now we suddenly have a security risk on our hands? Give me a break, that's government scare tactics rotting your brain.

quite possibly the best thing youve ever posted...but rather than governmental scare tactics its fundementalist christian right wing scare tactics aimed at the neo con base of the republican party...the scary thing is their rhetoric is becoming more and more attractive to what were once level headed middle of the road americans...this is far more threating to our country than any terrorist or lol drug runners

[rjs246]

There is a significant security issue with open borders, not just for terrorists but for gangs and drug runners as well.

Our borders have been open for the entire history of the United States. All of a sudden, after World Wars one and two, the Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, now we suddenly have a security risk on our hands? Give me a break, that's government scare tactics rotting your brain.

Gangs and drug runners? Who are you, Elliot Ness?

Just because its been ignored doesn't mean it was good policy.

It's a policy that has worked for 230 years. Now we're introducing more government into a situation that needs none? Wrong.

[Butchers Bill]

Our borders have been open for the entire history of the United States. All of a sudden, after World Wars one and two, the Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, now we suddenly have a security risk on our hands? Give me a break, that's government scare tactics rotting your brain.

quite possibly the best thing youve ever posted...but rather than governmental scare tactics its fundementalist christian right wing scare tactics aimed at the neo con base of the republican party...the scary thing is their rhetoric is becoming more and more attractive to what were once level headed middle of the road americans...this is far more threating to our country than any terrorist or lol drug runners

Well praise the Lord!  There are not massive amounts of illegal drugs and violent gangs our crossing borders!  I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank Jesus Christ my Lord and savior.   

Could you be any more condescending? 

[ice grillin you]

the violent gangs are coming...run away run away

[Butchers Bill]

the violent gangs are coming...run away run away

Why don't you invite these guys over to your house for some tea and let me know how it goes:

MS criminal activities include drug smuggling and sales, black market gun sales, human trafficking, assassinations for hire, theft, and assaults on law enforcement officials.

[ice grillin you]

the chances of the average american citizen having a violent gang over to their house for high tea are about the same as the average american citizen being robbed or shot by a violent gang...the chances of being in a terrorist attack are even smaller

there are only probably a couple hundred issues that are more important that those