Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Tomahawk]

Betsy DeVos is head of the Department of Ed; school lunches are administered by the Department of Ag.

[ice grillin you]

Betsy DeVos is head of the Department of Ed; school lunches are administered by the Department of Ag.

actually they are administered by congress who funds them....devos supports their elimination

[Tomahawk]

Congress enacted the law, like they should all laws, but they don't deal with the day to day administration of the program, mostly because the USDA does.

[Geowhizzer]

I believe that my school is the only middle school in the district that doesn't qualify for the school-wide free lunches.  We fell just below the 40% free-and-reduced threshold.  78 of 84 schools overall qualify, and we're one of the wealthier counties in Florida (9th by per capita income).

[ice grillin you]

Congress enacted the law, like they should all laws, but they don't deal with the day to day administration of the program, mostly because the USDA does.

national school lunch program is a law funded by congress....congress is going to get rid of it and a billionaire in charge of the place the food is distributed is in full support of that....not sure your angle here

[Tomahawk]

Angles are:

1) Affinity Magazine sounds like a bullshtein site

B) DeVos has nothing to do with the school lunch program

3) According to a link from the bullshtein site, Congress proposed legislation on 2016APR20 to make it more difficult to get the free or discounted lunches

D) Where is your evidence saying Trump is in full support of eliminating it?

I understand Trump, aka The Cheeto, Agent Orange, etc., most likely supports the elimination of the program, but I don't think an executive order can repeal a law, otherwise the ACA would already be gone. He could try to give the USDA less budget, which would be subjected to congressional review, but it would still be up to Secretary of the Ag on how the USDA spends their budget.

5) I think you're attributing too much power to 45 and getting pissed off about something that thus far is nothing.

[ice grillin you]

im almost positive i never mentioned trump....he could care less about school lunches he does however want to disintegrate government agencies.... billionaire devos wants public schools dead including free lunches as does the pub congress

when trumps budget plans drop watch the military get trillions and poor people get the broomstick in their ass

this is reaganomics on crack

stop worrying about websites and get to know these people and what they stand for and are actually doing

[Tomahawk]

My bad; I had the wrong billionaire.

I know Trump, and almost all his cabinet picks, are pieces of shtein, but that doesn't take away from the fact that DeVos doesn't have anything to do with the lunch program. I guess she could take away the program through her advocacy of the proven ineffectual voucher program, and dismantling of the public school system, but that should be the concern, not the byproduct of the actions. I mean, getting pissed off about school lunches is like getting pissed off at the effect instead of the cause.

[Tomahawk]

The real scary thing is how people just buy into all this bullshtein.

Instead of crying to Congress about specific issues, people should be demanding the Legislative Branch take back the power of the Executive Branch.

But apparently our country is full of hateful war-loving people who would prefer to preemptively strike "our enemies" than apply due process. Instead of wanting the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to be free, we would rather shoot them before they even have the chance to get here. As much as a travesty as Trump's presidency is, the USA would be able to easily withstand it if we were really still a government by and for the people as Lincoln described.

It's difficult to type this because I hate Trump as much as anybody, but our government has much bigger issues than this "Presidency".

[ice grillin you]

yeah i know cabinet secretaries dont make law....i was more pointing out the irony of a billionaire cabinet sec being cool with taking food out of poor kids mouths

i disagree about not worrying about specific issues...specific issues directly effect specific people...again wait for this budget outline thats supposed to be coming in the next two weeks and tell me if line items (specific issues) matter or not

[Geowhizzer]

Some would say that a rollback of executive power would bring the federal government closer to the vision of the Founding Fathers.

That said, I agree with you that the clusterfarg is beyond Trump shteinshow of a presidency.  Both parties are bought and paid for by opposing teams of billionaires, and the Democrats are only marginally better than the Republicans in governing "for the people."  And government "by the people" is long dead.  You must have, or be politically fellating someone that has, access to money in order to gain power, and by then you've lost and chance of being an independent voice.

I'm not a Democrat.  I'm not a Republican.  If anything, I've become a political agnostic.

[ice grillin you]

you are certifiably insane if you dont think theres a difference btwn the right and the left...i have no delusions that democratic politicians are anywhere near perfect...and i will not hesitate to kill them but its so dangerous to just say they are all terrible so i will just sit this out or sty in the middle....false equivalency is a for real dangerous thing...its a big part of why trump got elected

[MDS]

a lot of people i talk are "i didnt vote for him, i dont vote her, hopefully it all works out, white privilege shrug"

i added the last part

[Geowhizzer]

you are certifiably insane if you dont think theres a difference btwn the right and the left...i have no delusions that democratic politicians are anywhere near perfect...and i will not hesitate to kill them but its so dangerous to just say they are all terrible so i will just sit this out or sty in the middle....false equivalency is a for real dangerous thing...its a big part of why trump got elected

I didn't sit out, and I will always vote the way that I feel is best for the nation as a whole, but like you believe false equivalency is dangerous, so is a dogmatic rigidity to a political party, especially as the two we have have demonstrated over and again they would rather win elections that adhere to their principles.  They'd rather win the latest political dick-measuring contest than govern the nation.

I will also say that the Republican line has moved far far away from issues that I hold dear.  But the Democrats have likewise become tunnel-visioned for a few pet issues, and I think that cost them (and the nation) in 2016.

I did vote whole-heartedly for Clinton, not because I thought she was some great candidate, but I feared the train wreck that was coming with Trump.  I will agree with Rome on this:  Those that voted for him will indeed get what they deserve.  Unfortunately, they'll also drag the rest of us down with them.

[Tomahawk]

You're right; I was being too flippant. In the short term, specific issues do matter, but for the long term benefit of our people, our government needs drastic changes. Unfortunately this won't happen because it's a conflict of interest for those in power. The optimist in me says, "Vote the scumbags out!", but the realist in me understands they'll only be replaced by another scumbag.

Trump won because of this sentiment. It's just beyond my extremely limited reasoning skills to understand why people believed him. The swamp does need drained, but whoever believed Trump would even make an psuedo-effort to do this is gullible or stupid.