Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

We're much better at it than he is.

They were even better at it on Friday, too.  J Werth's BAC was probably over 0.3.

[shorebird]

Obama victory opens door to new black identity

Shortly after leaving the voting booth, 70-year-old community activist Donald E. Robinson had a thought: "Why do I have to be listed as African-American? Why can't I just be American?"

The answer used to be simple: because a race-obsessed society made the decision for him. But after Barack Obama's mind-bending presidential victory, there are rumblings of change in the nature of black identity and the path to economic equality for black Americans.

I agree with this 100%. I've always thought that the title, African American, Italian American, Mexican American, Jewish American, or any other such name lends itself to the idea of being a divided American, living in a divided America. It is nothing but a label put on certain peoples to single them out as a group not worthy of being true Americans.

No one has ever called me a European American.

Although I don't agree with a lot of Obama's policies, he did earn my repsect with the fact that all throughout his campaign, he never once played the race card that I know of. He considers himself an American, period. And after elected, he called for all AMERICANS to come together. We can't really do that unless we can all accept the fact that we are Americans, just that and nothing else.

Hopefully, it will happen.

[Diomedes]

I think we should all be categorized and labeled to the sixteenth (or possibly 32nd) portions of our heritage, and according to the degree to which our forbears were raped murdered and enslaved, receive a commensurate portion of all American wealth and power.

[Cerevant]

...and with all that, blacks in CA set civil rights back 20 years by voting 70-30 for separate-but-equal.  Oh, and Obama is equally at fault for supporting that position.

[Diomedes]

I agree, but at the same time I'm not convinced that a separate-but-equal arrangement would be wrong.  If a civil union law is on the books that guarantees all the same state-conferred rights privileges and benefits to gay partnerships as to married heteros, then the question is...how is that arrangement flawed?

It's not like you can tell who the gays are just by looking at them.  And it's not like they are a defenseless underclass.

I'm not sure that a comparison to the failed separate-but-equal treatment of blacks works.

[shorebird]

'Separate-but-equal' is nothing more than a oxymoron and won't work.

[shorebird]

I think we should all be categorized and labeled to the sixteenth (or possibly 32nd) portions of our heritage, and according to the degree to which our forbears were raped murdered and enslaved, receive a commensurate portion of all American wealth and power.

This goes against your logic of "Kill All Humans".

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

...and with all that, blacks in CA set civil rights back 20 years by voting 70-30 for separate-but-equal.  Oh, and Obama is equally at fault for supporting that position.

Yes.

'Separate-but-equal' is nothing more than a oxymoron and won't work.

Yes.

[Phanatic]

I really don't get the pro civil union anti gay marriage thing. It just becomes war on a word. So we ban 'gay marriage' but allow civil union. If I create my own church dedicated to the great spaghetti monster in the sky I'm not allowed to marry folks of the same sex even though it is just a word on a paper? That's the end of freedom of speech isn't it? Am I missing something?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

People like to cling to things.  Christians are clinging to the term "marriage" as a God-allowed right only for heterosexuals.

I don't get it, either.  If the law is not going to discriminate against homosexuality, the rights must be exact.  End of story.

[Rome]

It's bigotry, plain and simple.  The initiative in Florida passed by almost two million votes and this is the same state that Barack Obama won.  That means there were several hundred thousand people who didn't have a problem voting for a black man but did have a problem with gays enjoying the same civil rights as heterosexuals.

Obama's win was great and it was also a really positive step forward but the fact remains that bigotry and prejudice are still monstrously awful problems in this country. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I understand why some people are morally against the idea of homosexuality, but I do not understand why some people sit on the fence about marriage.

You're either for equal rights for same sex couples, or not.  Don't split hairs.

[ATV]

This was written by the sort of people who have been running the government the past eight years...

http://christopedia.us/wiki/Barack_Hussein_Obama

[Rome]

I understand why some people are morally against the idea of homosexuality, but I do not understand why some people sit on the fence about marriage.

You're either for equal rights for same sex couples, or not.  Don't split hairs.

No one gets harmed by gays marrying or by entering into civil unions.  NO ONE.

The fact is most people voted against it because they're impotent bigots and they're angry about their miserable farging lives not working out.  What better way to voice your anger than to say "no" to a bunch of "immoral" Romes and dykes?  It's state-sponsored discrimination and evidently a large segment of the population agrees with it.  And yeah, it's mind-boggling too.

[Cerevant]

The "civil union" proponents are one or more of the following:
1) Aware that they can't enforce a prohibition of civil unions as long as contract law exists
2) Want to reserve some special rights for marriage, even if it is just the conferring of legal status done by religious leaders
3) Want to continue the fight against gay adoptions / parenting and can only do so when preference can be expressed using legally distinct terminology

There are only two options that do not violate the civil rights of same-sex couples:
1) Legal same-sex marriage
2) No legal recognition of marriage, only civil union (this is how it is done in the Netherlands).

Anything else is state sponsored bigotry.  Period.