Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[ice grillin you]

from now on we will be referred to as vapid leftists thank you

[PhillyPhreak54]

So we've had the words vapid and adroitly used on CF today.

Dumb it down fargers, people might think Eagle fans are getting smart.

[Phanatic]

Nobody comes here or cares what we think anyway. Our illusion is safe. 

[Phanatic]

War of the campaign signs

Plus local fox news person is hawt!

[Father Demon]

Rich pansies.

You don't want people to knock you for your opinions (or steal your sign), don't put the farging sign  in your front yard.

[Rome]

If I have to hear Sarah Palin's shteinkicking hick sewer much longer, I might have to kick a hole in Rusty's chihuahua.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Rusty has a chihuahua...and a Prius?!

[MDS]

Really?

I should know this stuff because we are rooming in Boston next year...

[ice grillin you]

Rusty has a chihuahua...and a Prius?!

haha...that was my immediate thought as well

[Diomedes]

I hope to hell we get a President who will talk to and listen to Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and the like.   We've had 8 years--and really, can anyone say McCain would be different--of pretending these places don't exist, or if they do that they are Satan's own outposts.  This has been not just a fruitless stance, but a detrimental one. 

The subject makes me think about intelligence.  In WWII, we treated even the Nazis with humanity.  And not just because it's the right thing to do, but because it protects us better than being inhuman.  Seeds you sow and all.  Interrogators of Nazi's did things like play chess with them to work their way into the person and dig out intel.  Nowadays we smear shtein on the Koran and torture them.  Similarly, in better times, we met with our enemies in diplomatic talks that at the very least taught us better who these people are, how they think, what they (claim to) want.  Now, we assume we know everything and refuse to meet with them until they welcome McDonalds and Wal*Mart into their hometowns. 

Humility and intelligence (and of course massive power, power so massive you really don't have to worry about whether someone thinks it was weak of you to meet with someone else), used to guide the day.  Now, ignorance and arrogance rule.

[Cerevant]

Add to that the necessity for goodwill with our allies.  When Iraq invaded Kuwait, there was almost unanimous support for military action.  There was no argument when we started bombing Afghanistan.

Putting diplomacy first makes our case that much stronger in the situations when force is required.

[ATV]

More ugly rich white people....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

There are going to be a LOT of disappointed dumb motherfvckers in this country. The Secret Service is going to have its hands full.

[Magical_Retard]

I hope to hell we get a President who will talk to and listen to Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and the like.   We've had 8 years--and really, can anyone say McCain would be different--of pretending these places don't exist, or if they do that they are Satan's own outposts.  This has been not just a fruitless stance, but a detrimental one. 

The subject makes me think about intelligence.  In WWII, we treated even the Nazis with humanity.  And not just because it's the right thing to do, but because it protects us better than being inhuman.  Seeds you sow and all.  Interrogators of Nazi's did things like play chess with them to work their way into the person and dig out intel.  Nowadays we smear shtein on the Koran and torture them.  Similarly, in better times, we met with our enemies in diplomatic talks that at the very least taught us better who these people are, how they think, what they (claim to) want.  Now, we assume we know everything and refuse to meet with them until they welcome McDonalds and Wal*Mart into their hometowns. 

Humility and intelligence (and of course massive power, power so massive you really don't have to worry about whether someone thinks it was weak of you to meet with someone else), used to guide the day.  Now, ignorance and arrogance rule.

wow. its almost like you took the jumbled thoughts i have and put it down in text perfectly.

[ice grillin you]

thats cause youre both vapid

[Diomedes]

We haven't talked much about this Palin trooper issue.

Unethical would be a pretty fair summary I think...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/10trooper.html?hp

Palins Repeatedly Pressed Case Against Trooper
By SERGE F. KOVALESKI

ANCHORAGE — The 2007 state fair was days away when Alaska's public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, took another call about one of his troopers, Michael Wooten. This time, the director of Gov. Sarah Palin's Anchorage office was on the line.

As Mr. Monegan recalls it, the aide said the governor had heard that Mr. Wooten was assigned to work the kickoff to the fair in late August. If so, Mr. Monegan should do something about it, because Ms. Palin was also planning to attend and did not want the trooper nearby.

Somewhat bewildered, Mr. Monegan soon determined that Mr. Wooten had indeed volunteered for duty at the fairgrounds — in full costume as "Safety Bear," the troopers' child-friendly mascot.

Two years earlier, the trooper and the governor's sister had been embroiled in a nasty divorce and child-custody battle that had hardened the Palin family against him. To Mr. Monegan and several top aides, the state fair episode was yet another example of a fixation that the governor and her husband, Todd, had with Mr. Wooten and the most granular details of his life.

"I thought to myself, 'Man, do they have a heavy-duty network and focus on this guy,' " Mr. Monegan said. "You'd call that an obsession."

On July 11, Ms. Palin fired Mr. Monegan, setting off a politically charged scandal that has become vastly more so since Ms. Palin became the Republican vice-presidential nominee.

By now, the outlines of the matter have been widely reported. Mr. Monegan believes he was ousted because he would not bow to pressure to dismiss Mr. Wooten. The Alaska Legislature is investigating the firing and whether the governor abused the powers of her office to pursue a personal vendetta. Its report is due Friday.

Ms. Palin has denied that anyone told Mr. Monegan to dismiss Mr. Wooten, or that the commissioner's ouster had anything to do with the trooper. But an examination of the case, based on interviews with Mr. Monegan and several top aides, indicates that, to a far greater degree than was previously known, the governor, her husband and her administration pressed the commissioner and his staff to get Mr. Wooten off the force, though without directly ordering it.

In all, the commissioner and his aides were contacted about Mr. Wooten three dozen times over 19 months by the governor, her husband and seven administration officials, interviews and documents show.

"To all of us, it was a campaign to get rid of him as a trooper and, at the very least, to smear the guy and give him a desk job somewhere," said Kim Peterson, Mr. Monegan's special assistant, who like several other aides spoke publicly about the matter for the first time.

Ms. Peterson, a 31-year veteran of state government who retired 10 days before Mr. Monegan's firing, said she received about a dozen calls herself. "It was very clear that someone from the governor's office wanted him watched," she said.

Nor did that interest end with Mr. Monegan, the examination shows. His successor, Chuck Kopp, recalled that in an exploratory phone call and then a job interview, Ms. Palin's aides mentioned the governor's concerns about Mr. Wooten. None of the 280 other troopers were discussed, Mr. Kopp said.

Personnel Politics

Immediately after Mr. Monegan's firing, Ms. Palin said her intent was to change the department's direction. (She declined to be interviewed for this article.) She has since offered a variety of explanations for his ouster, most recently accusing him of insubordination and opposing her fiscal reforms.

As evidence, she has contended, among other things, that Mr. Monegan arranged two unauthorized lobbying trips to Washington. But according to interviews and records obtained by The New York Times, both trips were authorized by the governor's office.

As for Mr. Wooten, Ms. Palin has said she and others were simply lodging legitimate complaints to the appropriate authorities about a trooper with a disciplinary record who was a danger to her family and to the public. In one instance, she said Mr. Wooten made a death threat against her father in 2005, an accusation that Mr. Wooten has denied.

Ms. Palin initially said she welcomed an investigation into Mr. Monegan's ouster. But she has since declined to cooperate with the bipartisan inquiry, which Senator John McCain's presidential campaign says has been "hijacked" by Democratic lawmakers. Ms. Palin has pledged to cooperate with a separate inquiry, by the state's Personnel Board.

Beyond the potential political consequences, the Legislature's inquiry, depending on its outcome, could lead lawmakers to censure Ms. Palin or pass legislation making it more difficult for a governor to remove a commissioner, legislative leaders said.