Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

Started by PoopyfaceMcGee, December 11, 2006, 01:30:30 PM

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Cerevant

Quote from: rjs246 on April 14, 2008, 05:57:01 PM
The analogy is fine. Erroneous, but understandable from a conservative point of view.

Laughing off what happened in Florida in 2000 is un-American. The political process was circumvented in ways that should be appalling to anyone no matter what your political affiliation. People were lied to and forcefully turned away from voting locations. That shtein happens in revolution-torn third-world countries. Not in the US. That shtein starts riots in other countries. Apparently it causes laughter in the US.

Give us our central air and SUVs and we'll put up with anything...

This really pisses me off about 2000: both the national popular vote margin (1M votes in favor of Gore) and the Florida vote margin (500 votes in favor of Bush) were both less than the statistical likelihood of error (175k votes were never counted in Florida alone).

This country needs instant run-off voting.
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Geowhizzer

Quote from: rjs246 on April 14, 2008, 06:14:06 PM
Sounds like SUVs and central air are all you have to live for. I may have to rethink this whole thing...

No SUV.  Wife does have a mini-van, though.

Geowhizzer

Quote from: Cerevant on April 14, 2008, 06:42:13 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 14, 2008, 05:57:01 PM
The analogy is fine. Erroneous, but understandable from a conservative point of view.

Laughing off what happened in Florida in 2000 is un-American. The political process was circumvented in ways that should be appalling to anyone no matter what your political affiliation. People were lied to and forcefully turned away from voting locations. That shtein happens in revolution-torn third-world countries. Not in the US. That shtein starts riots in other countries. Apparently it causes laughter in the US.

Give us our central air and SUVs and we'll put up with anything...

This really pisses me off about 2000: both the national popular vote margin (1M votes in favor of Gore) and the Florida vote margin (500 votes in favor of Bush) were both less than the statistical likelihood of error (175k votes were never counted in Florida alone).

This country needs instant run-off voting.

Before 2000, I was of the opinion that the next time we had an election winner that did not gain a plurality of the popular vote, we'd have a constitutional amendment to make the election process a straight vote-count.  I was young and naive.

The small states will never allow the Constitution to be amended this way.  It would take the little importance they have in presidential elections and ground it into dust.

Rome

Quote from: rjs246 on April 14, 2008, 05:57:01 PM
The analogy is fine. Erroneous, but understandable from a conservative point of view.

Laughing off what happened in Florida in 2000 is un-American. The political process was circumvented in ways that should be appalling to anyone no matter what your political affiliation. People were lied to and forcefully turned away from voting locations. That shtein happens in revolution-torn third-world countries. Not in the US. That shtein starts riots in other countries. Apparently it causes laughter in the US.

Give us our central air and SUVs and we'll put up with anything...

It only caused laughter among people who actually voted for that worthless piece of shtein. 

PoopyfaceMcGee


phillymic2000

Quote from: rjs246 on April 14, 2008, 05:57:01 PM
The analogy is fine. Erroneous, but understandable from a conservative point of view.

Laughing off what happened in Florida in 2000 is un-American. The political process was circumvented in ways that should be appalling to anyone no matter what your political affiliation. People were lied to and forcefully turned away from voting locations. That shtein happens in revolution-torn third-world countries. Not in the US. That shtein starts riots in other countries. Apparently it causes laughter in the US.

Give us our central air and SUVs and we'll put up with anything...

So you are saying that dems were the only voters turned away from polling locations? Ever been to chicago?Yes Gore won the popular vote, he still didn't win the whole thing and it was legal
It's not Bush's vault the asshats in Florida couldn't read a simple ballot and f'd it up.
If it was the other way around the dem's would be screaming for bush to give up, laughin at him just like the repubs were/are still doing to Gore.
Gore couldn't beat bush and that is very funny to me. Cause he would have been a lot worse for this country imo, even with what Georgie has done his damage to this country.

Diomedes

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rjs246

#3367
Quote from: phillymic2000 on April 14, 2008, 07:41:56 PM

So you are saying that dems were the only voters turned away from polling locations...

Black people were turned away from voting stations in Florida. It's possible that a couple of them would have voted for Bush if they had suddenly had a stroke right as they were trying to punch their vote, but let's not pretend like everything was on the up and up and let's not pretend THEN GOVERNOR JEB BUSH was blind to it...
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

Diomedes

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rjs246

#3369
It's easy to act like a thug towards conservatives on this board because the vast majority of us are left-leaning (if not full-on over-proud socialist twats). But just because someone voted for Bush doesn't make me want to talk down to them.

I know better than most that Democrats and Republicans will vote for whoever their party picks to run. People vote so frequently down the party line that it doesn't usually matter who is running and that is exactly what happened with Bush.

What makes me want to talk down to people is minimizing illegal, immoral, racist and history-changing events, and telling everyone that they should 'give it up already' when they speak up about it. Revolutions have started over shtein like that. Too bad we're all so farging fat and lazy.
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Let's hope this election gets hilariously stolen also.  I like drama.

Rome

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Great name for a band.

rjs246

I prefer The Socialist Twats, actually.
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.

phillymic2000

QuoteWhat makes me want to talk down to people is minimizing illegal, immoral, racist and history-changing events, and telling everyone that they should 'give it up already'. Revolutions have started over shtein like that. Too bad we're all so farging fat and lazy.

Ok black people were turned away in Florida, My memory is not up to snuff on it, but wasn't the county/district they were voting in run by the dems? Who then would in turn be running the polls right?

Nothing was proven that anything was done illegally was it? They even went thru that stupid hanging chad revote. And wasn't Gore trying to stop the absentee soldier vote from happening or was that the other guy Kerry?

And I wasn't telling everyone to give it up already, I was telling you. Maybe Obama could speak to the bitter dems holding onto the election, instead of the middle america holding onto guns and religion.

So what happens if Hillary pulls off the upset with the super delagates after losing the popular vote for the nomination?

Phanatic

Rather then get into the semantics of the actual event I think the initial argument is comparing Gore's holding out in that election until everything was settled to Hillary's holding out for this nomination and while there are similarities, winning the popular vote and waiting for Florida's votes to be counted in a close election is no comparison. Gore did what any candidate on any side would do especially knowing that he had the majority of the people on his side electoral college or no. In fact he could have really made that a whole lot uglier then it was but eventually called off the party lawyers. Thinking that a GOP candidate in the same situation would be any different is naive.
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