Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

ATV is trying to change your paradigm, folks.  It turns out... and try to follow me here... that if you agree with the message of the Muslims/Palestinians, they would actually be the good guys!  And Israel and the U.S. are the true axis of evil.

I just totally blew your minds, didn't I?

[ATV]

I think you just changed the subject.

Of course, whether one considers a "terrorist" to be righteous or not depends on your perspective.

[Phanatic]

Bob Woodward > you

There's some great stuff in here actually. Good read...

[Phanatic]

During the same critical period, Vice President Cheney was urging Secretary of State Colin Powell to consider seriously the possibility that Iraq might be connected to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Powell found the case worse than ridiculous and scornfully concluded that Cheney had what Powell termed a "fever." (In private, Powell used to call the Pentagon policy shop run by Undersecretary of Defense Douglas J. Feith, who shared Cheney's burning interest in supposed ties between al-Qaeda and Iraq, a "Gestapo office.")

Powell was right that to conclude that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden did not work together. But Cheney and Powell did not have this crucial debate in front of the president -- even though such a discussion might have undermined one key reason for war. Cheney provided private advice to the president, but he was rarely asked to argue with others and test his case. After the invasion, Cheney had a celebratory dinner with some aides and friends. "Colin always had major reservations about what we were trying to do," Cheney told the group as they toasted Bush and laughed at Powell. This sort of derision undermined the administration's unity of purpose -- and suggests the nasty tone that can emerge when open debate is stifled by long-running feuds and personal hostility.

[Phanatic]

Obama would do well to remember the example of a young Democratic president who was willing to make long-range plans. Bill Clinton began his presidency in 1993 after having promised to cut the federal deficit in half in four years. The initial plan looked shaky, and Clinton took a lot of heat for more than a year. But he and his team stuck to their basic strategy of cutting federal spending and raising taxes, which laid a major part of the foundation of the economic boom of the Clinton era. It was classic strategic planning, showing a willingness to pay a short-term price for the sort of long-term gains that go down in the history books.

Gives Clinton credit for financial boom and deficit. Most discredit him.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Bob Woodward > you

There's some great stuff in here actually. Good read...

"actually"

Go farg yourself, Missouri.

[ATV]

President with lowest approval rating ever, 22%,....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtml

Spent 487 days at Camp David and 490 days at home....

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4728085.shtml

Prolly just a coincidence.

But, remember, "his presidency was far more successful than not."

[Geowhizzer]

For historical perspective:

Harry Truman had previously had the lowest end-of-term approval at 32 percent, as measured by Gallup.

Truman today is pretty universally considered a top-10 all time president.

Do I think Bush will be considered that in the future?  Not a chance.  But opinion polls don't necessarily indicate the effectiveness of the president.

[SunMo]

Geowhizzer thinks GWB is a top 10 president!

[ATV]

Truman today is pretty universally considered a top-10 all time president.

Ok, in which universe is this?

[Geowhizzer]

Truman today is pretty universally considered a top-10 all time president.

Ok, in which universe is this?

Wikipedia has a pretty good summary of this.

Here's one from Cornell - has Truman listed at #7.

A summary from infoplease.

[MDS]

i think andy bernard has proven cornell to be a pretty zesty school

[phillymic2000]

i think andy bernard has proven cornell to be a pretty zesty school

POTY!!!

[Geowhizzer]

i think andy bernard has proven cornell to be a pretty zesty school

I'm assuming, since this is you posting it, that this is a TV character.  Not really certain, though.

Also, in a C-SPAN poll, Truman finished 5th.

[ATV]

Truman at #33 feels about right. I mean sure, the guy was no idiot frat boy like our still current president.


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