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[Rome]

I wear my seatbelt.  That's my choice, not the state's, the federal government's, or the oinker's whose sole purpose for pulling me over isn't to ticket me for not wearing a safety harness, but to have probable cause to invade my privacy.

If you're not seeing that, FF, you're the one who isn't seeing clearly.

[Diomedes]

What do you have to hide, Rome?  You should willlingly submit to being pulled over for any reason if you're doing nothing wrong.  You should be happy to take drug tests, submit to physical examinations, give DNA samples.   

Only druggies and criminals could object...

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I wear my seatbelt.  That's my choice, not the state's, the federal government's, or the oinker's whose sole purpose for pulling me over isn't to ticket me for not wearing a safety harness, but to have probable cause to invade my privacy.

If you're not seeing that, FF, you're the one who isn't seeing clearly.

I didn't say the method of enforcement of seatbelt laws is not questionable.  I truly hope that anyone outside of "The Waco Kid" on this board wouldn't sit here and defend the methods and motivations of traffic cops.

I don't even care if the law is enforced or not, but having it on the books automatically puts the fault for certain injuries on a driver/passenger not choosing to wear his seatbelt and not another "innocent" party in a collision.

And FWIW, anyone I've heard of personally that gets a ticket for not wearing their seatbelt got pulled over for something else in the first place.  Yes, I've heard stories second- and third-hand about people getting snagged JUST for the seatbelt, but it's rare.  And like I said, I'm not going to defend cops that waste our money and time just for that.  The law being around in and of itself is all that matters.

[Diomedes]

You won't believe me, but I have been pulled over for seatbelt violation and only that.   Happened in Annapolis, MD in '98 or '99.  Can't remember which.  I had just pulled out of the Goodwill store on West St., turning right toward downtown, and all of a sudden lights and a fleshpophead cop's voice on loudspeaker saying pull over.  Got a ticket for the seatbelt, but not before they had run my plates and license, delayed me by 30 minutes.

Pigs.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

You won't believe me, but I have been pulled over for seatbelt violation and only that.   Happened in Annapolis, MD in '98 or '99.  Can't remember which.  I had just pulled out of the Goodwill store on West St., turning right toward downtown, and all of a sudden lights and a fleshpophead cop's voice on loudspeaker saying pull over.  Got a ticket for the seatbelt, but not before they had run my plates and license, delayed me by 30 minutes.

Pigs.

The legal system and this country's methods of enforcing it are a direct result of the flaws in our political system.

Did I ever tell you guys about the time a cop excused himself into some nearby trees to take a piss while he was processing my ticket?  Hey, at least he profusely apologized, promised to help me out in court, and got it knocked it down to a no-points violation.  I only had to show up for court 3 times, too:  one to request a court date in which the officer would be in attendance, one that the officer missed his court date due to being in Afghanistan with the Reserves, and finally the one where he showed up.  What a deal!

[Rome]

I got a ticket once for avoiding slamming into the back of another car.

The idiot in front of me slammed on her brakes because she was about to miss her left turn and although she didn't use her turn signal or allow reasonable time for me to avoid her, I still got the ticket.

The cop saw the whole thing and ticketed me for not retaining proper control of my car and using the shoulder of the road to make an illegal pass.

I asked him why I was getting a ticket and not the stupid bitch in front of me and he actually said that he didn't see her actions, only mine.  I said, well, if you didn't see why I swerved to avoid hitting her, why are you still giving me a ticket?  No answer - just handed me the thing to sign and said "have a nice day."

I should have slammed into the back of the funhole.  At least I would have gotten a little satisfaction out of that.

[rjs246]

Arguing that something should be illegal so that insurance companies won't charge us more is unfathomable to me.

[hunt]

not wearing seatbelts = more serious injuries = higher medical costs = higher costs paid by insurance companies = higher insurance premiums for everyone
i don't think that's very difficult to understand...like ff said, people are stupid and lazy...otherwise seatbelts wouldn't need to be mandated.

as for trans fat...i don't know anything about it but as long as i can get the same foods at the same prices, i really don't mind if they ban it.  i can always smoke trans fat in the privacy of my own home if i really want it.

[hunt]

Arguing that something should be illegal so that insurance companies won't charge us more is unfathomable to me.

maybe you're cool with paying more because of the stupidity of others.



i'm not.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Well, you can all keep "sticking it to the man" by not wearing your seatbelts, then.  I care not.

The law isn't going anywhere, and frankly, I'm arguing it as much to argue as anything.


The idea of McDonald's making fries in "Enova" oil frightens me, though.

[Diomedes]

maybe you're cool with paying more because of the stupidity of others.

Freedom isn't free.

[hunt]

maybe you're cool with paying more because of the stupidity of others.

Freedom isn't free.

true...and i don't feel that strongly about the seatbelt issue to argue about it.  so the moronic, non seatbelt wearers will have a greater chance of getting killed in a car accident. 
good...maybe that is worth paying a little extra for.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I heart natural selection.

[rjs246]

Freedom isn't free.

true...and i don't feel that strongly about the seatbelt issue to argue about it.  so the moronic, non seatbelt wearers will have a greater chance of getting killed in a car accident. 
good...maybe that is worth paying a little extra for.

This gets right to the heart of my point. If people want to kill themselves, farging let them. Don't tell me what I have to do, or how I have to act in the name of protecting retards from themselves.

[Cerevant]

Tell you what - I don't have a problem taking the seatbelt laws off the books, under one condition: if you are injured in a car accident while not wearing a seatbelt, regardless of fault, you forfeit all rights to insurance coverage related to injuries caused by the accident.  This includes:

• Health Insurance

• Liability (paid to you by the other driver's insurance)
• Life Insurance
• Accidental Death / Disability
• Worker's Comp (if injured on the job)

You made your choice.  I shouldn't have to pay the consequences for your decision.