Donte' Stallworth

[Munson]

Yes, I seriously doubt he'll get an SB THAT big. But some team sittin 25 million below the cap will come close enough to it for us to say bye-bye to Donte.

[SD_Eagle5]

What 3 guys? Mikell, Thomas, and James? The Eagles have the available cap space to sign all 3 and re-sign Stallworth. You're focusing to hard on the cap dollars available, there's flexibility if they want to use it.

Again, Heckert said all this before the demands of an 18 million signing bonus came out. How much of that is Stallworth going to want up front? How much of the available cap is set aside for the rookie pool?

Signing Stallworth would most likely mean bye bye to those three. It would give them free range to draft all defense....but depending on rookies to get the job done on defense is old. Real old.

He can have the entire bonus, it won't effect this years cap if the Eagles don't want it to. You can prorate bonuses over the life of the contract.

[The BIGSTUD]

The thing I don't get is why money is an issue with them. If there were other good WRs lined up besides him then I'd understand. There aren't though.

[ice grillin you]

breaking the bank on Stallworth this year means not even a hope of improving the defense, maybe not even for the next two years.

i dont even know what breaking the bank means here...as for your two year comment thats just 100% dead wrong

a team like the skins has for the better part of the last decade gone out every year and signed who they wanted when they wanted even being over or at the cap (the decisions have been horrible but the money has always been there) ...but all of a sudden if the eagles sign one player they break the bank and cant improve their team for the next two years...you have stared into banners swirly lolipop one too many times

[4and26]

The 18 million signing bonus is a ploy. The only team that would pay it is the taterskins.

[SD_Eagle5]

breaking the bank on Stallworth this year means not even a hope of improving the defense, maybe not even for the next two years.

i dont even know what breaking the bank means here...as for your two year comment thats just 100% dead wrong

a team like the skins has for the better part of the last decade gone out every year and signed who they wanted when they wanted even being over or at the cap (the decisions have been horrible but the money has always been there) ...but all of a sudden if the eagles sign one player they break the bank and cant improve their team for the next two years...you have stared into banners swirly lolipop one too many times

I'll steal this from another thread and apply it here:

If Stallworth is gone and they draft a WR in the first, I won't be too pissed off.

Well, that's because you're an idiot.

Some explanations are easier than others.

[Munson]

What 3 guys? Mikell, Thomas, and James? The Eagles have the available cap space to sign all 3 and re-sign Stallworth. You're focusing to hard on the cap dollars available, there's flexibility if they want to use it.

Again, Heckert said all this before the demands of an 18 million signing bonus came out. How much of that is Stallworth going to want up front? How much of the available cap is set aside for the rookie pool?

Signing Stallworth would most likely mean bye bye to those three. It would give them free range to draft all defense....but depending on rookies to get the job done on defense is old. Real old.

He can have the entire bonus, it won't effect this years cap if the Eagles don't want it to. You can prorate bonuses over the life of the contract.

Yes, you can prorate the bonuses over the life of the contract. But the Eagles are going to have to give up a certain amount RIGHT UP FRONT of that bonus, which could likely put Stallworth's cap number for this year close to or in 8 figures. Say it's an 18 million bonus over 6 years....Donte's not gonna sign without getting at LEAST 6 million of that THIS year. Not with Drew Rosenhaus as his client, after the TO/Rosenhause debacle.

Assuming the Eagles don't break away from thier traditional MO, Stallworth is gone. It's time to move on. 6 years, 40 million, 18 mil SB is asking too much for Stallworth. They're taking advantage of the extremely inflated cap space that a lot of teams in the NFL have with that asking price, and the Eagles are not one of those teams with an inflated amount of cap space. Not with where they are RIGHT NOW at this exact moment. If they can pull of some moves, cuts, and restructures to make enough room to sign Stallworth and keep a few other key FA's here, then I'll officially like the Eagles FO. At least for a little bit. Until they draft another bust DL or LB.

[ice grillin you]

[Diomedes]

i don't get it

i'd do the bitch

[Munson]

Aww sorry, too may words for IGY. Let me try something...

YO DA EAGLES SUCK DEY GOTS ALL DAT MONEY TO COP DAT BUTTA JOINT WIDE RECEIVER DONTE BUT THEY WON'T LET IT RAIN ON THAT *expletive* DEY GOT DA fargIN MONEY, DEY CAN AFFORD IT, IT WON'T HURT THEM IN ANY OTHA POSISTION. farg DA EAGLES FO, IF YOU DON'T AGREe WITH ME YOU MUST LIKE THAT WHITEY JOE BANNER.


I know I for one am damn excited about Sean Considine next year. And Joselio will light the world on fire.

[Diomedes]

okay, I smirked.  still...too many words

[Munson]

okay, I smirked.  still...too many words

It's all about the slang Dio.

[SD_Eagle5]

Yes, you can prorate the bonuses over the life of the contract. But the Eagles are going to have to give up a certain amount RIGHT UP FRONT of that bonus, which could likely put Stallworth's cap number for this year close to or in 8 figures. Say it's an 18 million bonus over 6 years....Donte's not gonna sign without getting at LEAST 6 million of that THIS year. Not with Drew Rosenhaus as his client, after the TO/Rosenhause debacle.

You don't understand the way signing bonuses work, he'd get the 18 mill up front, but its the Eagles discretion as to when they count it against the cap, here's a more in depth definition:

Because salaries have continued to grow at a rate outpacing the salary cap, teams have found ways to circumvent the cap. Signing bonuses don't count toward a team's cap for a given year. A player who receives a signing bonus gets more money for that year than his recorded "salary," leaving more room in the cap for the other players.

Say, for example, a player wants a seven-year, $60-million contract. Let's say that the owner decides to give that player an $11-million signing bonus, which is all paid out in the first year but gets factored into the cap as prorated over the course of the seven-year contract ($11-million / 7 years = $1.57-million per year). Most NFL contracts are "back-ended" -- most of the base salary is located in the last two or three years of the contract. If we suppose that our player's contract is structured so that he has a base salary of $2-million the first year, with higher base salaries in the final two years of the contract, the $13-million (base salary + signing bonus) paid out in the first year appears as $3.57-million to the cap! The advantage of signing bonuses for the owner is that he now has more money to spend under the cap. This is how the Washington taterskins ran up a total payroll of $92.41-million in the 2000 season when the cap was $67-million. The advantage for the player is that all signing-bonus money is guaranteed to be paid, whereas an NFL contract is not guaranteed.

There are drawbacks to signing bonuses for the owner, however. Because the bonus is guaranteed to the player, if the player is released, traded or waived, all of the bonus money that was being prorated throughout the length of the contract is accelerated to the present year. So, if our team released its star player after the third year of his contract (before June 1) for whatever reason, the entire remainder of the bonus, almost $6.3-million, will have to count toward the cap the next year (if the team releases the player after June 1, only the yearly $1.57-million will count the next year, and the remainder will count the subsequent year).

Bottom line is, the cap flexibility is there if they want to use it.

[SunMo]

who's the bigger ass?

munson

or

those that continue to argue with him?

[Diomedes]

tough question, but I gotta go with munson