Scalpers Choking on Their Tickets

Started by ttllabtoof, August 26, 2006, 07:08:59 PM

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hunt

lemonade was a popular drink and it still is

ttllabtoof

Quote from: hunt on August 27, 2006, 10:26:58 AM
scalpers aren't so bad.
I have no problem with scalpers, they do what they do and allow people to get tickets to geames that are supposedly sold out.

My problem is with the Eagles ignoring the huge scalping problem they have and then jumping into bed with these clowns to make a little bit more coin at the expense of their fans.  With as many tickets that are being scalped, watch how many Giants and Cowboys and taterskins fans, invade the Linc.  There is no way to stop them.  When the Eagles have a few down seasons in a row, it'll be just like going to a Mets game at the Linc.

When fans do not have a large portion of the tickets, but scalpers do, they will sell to the highest bidder without regard to which team the fan is for.  Its a big loss for our guys to hear cheers for the opposition in their house.  You saw it last year with the Giants and taterskins games.

Cerevant

1) For the record, I think it is unethical for the Philadelphia Eagles to be in a business relationship with RazorGator, StubHub or EBay.
2) I think the Eagles should check ID at the gate, and revoke the season ticket rights of anyone who does not personally attend at least 6 games a year.

Now that I've made my feelings on this issue clear, our new house-troll is trying to do what day-traders have done for years.  See, what they do is "sell short" - they make money on a stock when it's price drops.  So they get the options all ligned up, and then go on the message boards and start bad-mouthing the stock..."Did you hear, they aren't going to make a profit this year"  "I heard their CEO is on drugs"  "What is going to happen with the thus-and-such lawsuit?  They could go out of business if they lose".  Then they go on to their favorite online trading post, and voila, the stock just dropped a few points because the losers who paid attention just ran off and sold.

This loser is hoping that if he spreads the word that ticket prices are dropping, that people will hesitate in response to his claim - "maybe if the prices are dropping I can save a few bucks."  Fewer people buy, less demand, prices actually do go down.  Scalpers "lose" money, ttlwtfever is happy.

Problem is that ttheaduphisbutt doesn't understand basic business, and that the scalpers do not have an emotional stake in this process, so they can make money no matter what people do.  Keep in mind, there are a few time slots when tickets are going to be the most in demand, based on the basic assumption that people want to see the team they root for win: 

1) Pre-season, for teams that were good last year.  "Damn, I didn't get through to ticketmaster, guess I'm going to have to pony up."
2) Early-season, for teams that come out of the gate better than expected.  "Hey, if they are this good now, maybe they can be able to beat <arch-rival>"
3) Late-season "big games" - "I gotta be there for this"

So, it doesn't make economic sense for scalpers to panic now - anything that is selling low now might skyrocket in value in a month.

Further, keep in mind - scalpers are not the gamblers, they are the house.  Yes, they might lose on tickets for one team, but rest assured they more than make up for it from the teams that do well.

This battle will not be won with the scalpers - it is simple supply and demand, and for NFL football, demand far exceeds demand.  It can only be won with the teams / leagues who allow scalping to continue.  We come full circle to my original point - if the teams profit from scalpers (even if there is no super-secret scam going on - just advertising revenue) they have no interest in stopping scalping.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

Rome

You've never once justified your anger at the Eagles having a relationship with RazorGator when you yourself have admitted to buying tickets for the sole reason of scalping them.

I can post link after link to the EMB where you've admitted to buying tickets on Ticketmaster for no other reason than to turn a profit.

I remember one passage where you attempted to justify your scalping by stating that you were going to use the profits to purchase club seats.  That's fine.  Everyone is entitled to make a profit if they so choose.

What I can't understand is the cognitive dissonance you exhibit on the issue.


You loathe scalpers, yet you scalp yourself.  You want to launch an investigation into the Eagles relationship with  RazorGator, yet you have no problem profiteering yourself.

I tried to get a straight answer from you on the EMB but all I ended up getting was insulted and berated.

In simple English, answer this question:

Why do you scalp tickets yourself if you find the act of scalping by others (namely the Eagles) so repugnant?


PS: I'm not attacking you.  I'm simply asking you to justify your contradictory viewpoint on the issue.

Beermonkey

Quote from: ttllabtoof on August 27, 2006, 10:46:14 PM
I can buy and sell you, so it has nothing to do with money.  Trust me. 

You make that much money off of scalping?

PhillyPhreak54


Rome

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 27, 2006, 11:13:18 PM
Shoot me now.

In the head.

Please.

Fine.  I'll have to charge you three FOUR times the regular price for the hollow point... deal?

PhillyPhreak54


PoopyfaceMcGee

You all should drink a hemlock/urine cocktail.

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Quote from: ttllabtoof on August 27, 2006, 12:29:58 PMWhen the Eagles have a few down seasons in a row, it'll be just like going to a Mets game at the Linc.
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SunMo

last night, i laid my head on a pile of money i made from selling my tickets on RazorGator
I'm the Anti-Christ. You got me in a vendetta kind of mood.