True Story

[Rome]

You guys just keep telling yourselves that Mahe won't be on this team. Perry is in very real danger of being the more talented and potentially productive player and still getting the axe.

If Mahe makes the final 53, I'll, I'lll... well, do nothing. 

[SD_Eagle5]

As GF already pointed out, Buckhalter isn't in competition for anything. So why even have him here? Charity case. Period.

So we're just going to hand over the 3rd RB spot to Perry?

No, as I said, that already belongs to Mahe. But if Perry could get a few more reps it would help his campaign to force the coaches to finally kick that bum to the curb.

You're assuming too much, the 3rd RB spot does not belong to Mahe, he's going to have to earn it. Perry's a better RB and if he can field punts even half way decent then Mahe is jobless. Still, I like having competition there at this point, if Buck looks like shtein in these mini camps then you know his ass will be cut.

[jeffreyjpa]

I just cant understand why a former first round pick who the coaches feel is looking good is getting time at mini camp when Darrell Lee could be getting the reps he needs to make the Arena league.   gosh darn it. 

Exactly, MURP.

I'm wondering while reading this how a former first round draft pick which the coaching staff felt last Summer was going to step up and be a productive starter last year but was then shot is now lumped in as a charity case with Buckhalter and JR Reed. The man was shot, he didn't blow his knee out or sever the main nerve in his leg...how does he have less potential than he did last Summer? Say what you will about charity cases, but I don't believe McDougle belongs in that grouping just yet.

Jimmy Smith was a bit star-crossed early in his career and people gave up on him...he seemed to pick up a little later on, from what I recall.

Sadly, I would give better than even odds that--barring injury--Reno is on the roster for opening day.

[reese125]

agree....he has a legit shot. Immediate gratification is the gold standard here in Philly....you didnt know that?

[ice grillin you]

Immediate gratification is the gold standard here in Philly

yeah right because the championship standard is so high here....i dont think expecting immediate or close to it production from a first round pick that you traded up for is to much to ask

the problem is not having him in camp fighting for a job...the problem is blind faith and posting quotes from the coaches saying how good he is...like reid and johnson are to be believed about anything much less mcdougle

[SD_Eagle5]

the problem is not having him in camp fighting for a job...the problem is blind faith and posting quotes from the coaches saying how good he is...like reid and johnson are to be believed about anything much less mcdougle

Did I miss the part where they lied about something? What did they do to not take them at their word?

[ice grillin you]

their lies and exagerations about the talent of the players they have are legendary...for years take a look at andys quotes on the wr's

check the talk on simoneau after they traded for him...you woulda thought they were getting jack lambert

call it coaches speak if you want...and it may be that...but it doesnt make thier comments on players any more real...they can big up mcdougle from now till traning camp...and there still will be just as much chance as him getting cut than him making the team

[SD_Eagle5]

Well we know they'll never bash a player publicly, but you know when Andy isn't high on a player, like when asked about D'hani he replied "we need to improve in that area", thats being truthful. Maybe they overhyped Simoneau but  for the first month of his first season here he was the NFC defensive player of the month and as good as advertised. No idea as to why he sucked after that.

[reese125]

who did you want...Tyler Brayton, Michael Haynes or Calvin Pace for DE in 2003?
a first rounder means squat now-a-days aside from the paycheck. way too many first round busts but also ones that come out of their shell after 2 years. Hey Im not saying McDougle is god--far from it, but I do believe in potential.

[The BIGSTUD]

Buckhalter will make the team if he's healthy, which is a big if, but that's obvious.

McDougle has been a huge bust so far, but if you look at who was taken behind him at positions the Eagles usually take, I'd say it wasn't that awful of a pick.

15   Philadelphia   Jerome McDougle   DE   Miami
16   Pittsburgh   Troy Polamalu   SS   Southern California - don't need safety
17   Arizona   Bryant Johnson   WR   Penn State - hasn't done much
18   Arizona   Calvin Pace   DE   Wake Forest - has done nothing
19   Baltimore   Kyle Boller   QB   California - next
20   Denver   George Foster   T   Georgia - eh
21   Cleveland   Jeff Faine   C   Notre Dame - average
22   Chicago   Rex Grossman   QB   Florida - next
23   Buffalo   Willis McGahee   RB   Miami - eagles won't take a RB, he was hurt anyway.
24   Indianapolis   Dallas Clark   TE   Iowa - better than LJ, but can't blame them.
25   N.Y. Giants   William Joseph   DT   Miami - hasn't done much.
26   San Francisco   Kwame Harris   T   Stanford - eh
27   Kansas City   Larry Johnson   RB   Penn State - great, but eagles don't take RBs.
28   Tennessee   Andre Woolfolk   CB   Oklahoma - don't need CBs
29   Green Bay   Nick Barnett   MLB   Oregon State - sucks 4th and 26
30   San Diego   Sammy Davis   CB   Texas A&M - eh
31   Oakland   Nnamdi Asomugha   CB   California - next
32   Oakland   Tyler Brayton   OLB   Colorado - next

McDougle wasn't a bad pick in the first round compared to everyone else. That draft pretty much sucked hard.

[Wingspan]

Buckhalter will make the team if he's healthy, which is a big if, but that's obvious.

McDougle has been a huge bust so far, but if you look at who was taken behind him at positions the Eagles usually take, I'd say it wasn't that awful of a pick.

15   Philadelphia   Jerome McDougle   DE   Miami
16   Pittsburgh   Troy Polamalu   SS   Southern California - don't need safety
17   Arizona   Bryant Johnson   WR   Penn State - hasn't done much
18   Arizona   Calvin Pace   DE   Wake Forest - has done nothing
19   Baltimore   Kyle Boller   QB   California - next
20   Denver   George Foster   T   Georgia - eh
21   Cleveland   Jeff Faine   C   Notre Dame - average
22   Chicago   Rex Grossman   QB   Florida - next
23   Buffalo   Willis McGahee   RB   Miami - eagles won't take a RB, he was hurt anyway.
24   Indianapolis   Dallas Clark   TE   Iowa - better than LJ, but can't blame them.
25   N.Y. Giants   William Joseph   DT   Miami - hasn't done much.
26   San Francisco   Kwame Harris   T   Stanford - eh
27   Kansas City   Larry Johnson   RB   Penn State - great, but eagles don't take RBs.
28   Tennessee   Andre Woolfolk   CB   Oklahoma - don't need CBs
29   Green Bay   Nick Barnett   MLB   Oregon State - sucks 4th and 26
30   San Diego   Sammy Davis   CB   Texas A&M - eh
31   Oakland   Nnamdi Asomugha   CB   California - next
32   Oakland   Tyler Brayton   OLB   Colorado - next

McDougle wasn't a bad pick in the first round. That draft pretty much sucked hard.

they traded up 12 spots or so to get him.

yes, it was a bad pick. you can homertastically quantify it any way you want. it was a bad pick.

the same way that sheldon brown was a great 2nd round pick, mcdougle was a zesty first rounder.

[SD_Eagle5]

What sucks is that we traded away another second to get him. I don't get to down on McDougle because I think he's been dealt a bad hand with injuries, but any time a guy is taken in the middle of round 1 you expect more than what he's produced. Healthy or not.

[reese125]

execept for 9 out of the 14 players above this pick and the few below McDougle....yes the first round was medicore, but so were alot of other 1st round drafts. Not everyone can be gold in the 1st and its proven

[The BIGSTUD]

they traded up 12 spots or so to get him.

yes, it was a bad pick. you can homertastically quantify it any way you want. it was a bad pick.

the same way that sheldon brown was a great 2nd round pick, mcdougle was a zesty first rounder.

If that's the case, then what pick in the first round wouldn't have been a bad pick? And be realistic, you know the Eagles wouldn't have taken Larry Johnson.

[Wingspan]

they traded up 12 spots or so to get him.

yes, it was a bad pick. you can homertastically quantify it any way you want. it was a bad pick.

the same way that sheldon brown was a great 2nd round pick, mcdougle was a zesty first rounder.

If that's the case, then what pick in the first round wouldn't have been a bad pick?

any one of them that have been able to play even marginally effectively for say...15 games...over the past 3 years. is that not a reasonable expectation of a 1st round pick you trade up over 10 spots to get?