Westbrook - Reid said he was going to hand the ball off a lot this year

Started by MURP, May 08, 2006, 09:31:22 AM

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SunMo

they ran a lot more later in the year.

but when TO and McNabb were playing together..it was pass, pass, pass
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Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 10, 2006, 03:38:24 PM
they ran a lot more later in the year.

but when TO and McNabb were playing together..it was pass, pass, pass

Exactly. They ran later in the year because it was either McMahon throwing to an opposing defender or run.

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That 62% is not accurate because of that. When it mattered most, the passing was more like 75-80%.
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but when TO and McNabb were playing together..it was pass, pass, pass

id say that had more to do with not having mcnabb than it did not having TO
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Quote from: PhillyGirl on May 10, 2006, 03:40:11 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 10, 2006, 03:38:24 PM
they ran a lot more later in the year.

but when TO and McNabb were playing together..it was pass, pass, pass

Exactly. They ran later in the year because it was either McMahon throwing to an opposing defender or run.

WWYD?

That 62% is not accurate because of that. When it mattered most, the passing was more like 75-80%.

Right. Andy is a genius. He ADJUSTS his game plan to best utilize his personnel. He had, let's face it, the best WR/QB combination in the NFL. Why not utilize it? When that started to fall apart, he adjusted. That did not work last year because the injuries created a cascading failure effect. However, it did work the year both McNabb and Detmer were hurt because the offensive injuries stopped there.
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MURP

Its pretty well known that Childress called most of the plays in the 2nd half of the season.

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Quote from: MURP on May 10, 2006, 07:35:32 PM
Its pretty well known that Childress called most of the plays in the 2nd half of the season.

Well hopefully he lets Morningwood do most of the playcalling because he may not be a good HC but he did a good job running a balanced offense in SF with Hearst and Garner.  With Moats and Westbrook we have a similar duo.
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I'm not so much concerned with the % ratio of pass/run, because that statistic can be manipulated when Andy throws, throws, throws, gets a lead, then runs late to even things out and eat up clock. What I want is for him to make it a priority to establish the run early. Being down a TD is no excuse to abandon the run, go into panic mode, and pass the ball all over the field.

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Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 10, 2006, 07:42:43 PM
I'm not so much concerned with the % ratio of pass/run, because that statistic can be manipulated when Andy throws, throws, throws, gets a lead, then runs late to even things out and eat up clock. What I want is for him to make it a priority to establish the run early. Being down a TD is no excuse to abandon the run, go into panic mode, and pass the ball all over the field.


I think this is the most nuanced response so far.  Probably the most accurate as well.

It is Reids modus operandi to pass for the lead and run the game out late.

Where he has gotten in trouble is throwing the ball way too much in the red zone and forgetting to run with a small lead that can be overcome in one possession. 

When given the choice on third and a few with three minutes to go Reid will throw to try and pick up the first down way more often than not and that as much as anything else in the problem.

I certainly hope they run more and shorten the game for the defense.  It's time to start busting people up out there.  Get a swagger that says we will beat you simply because we are tougher than you and when we smack you in the mouth, you will stay smacked.

MadMarchHare

Yeah, I'm sure glad we ran the ball to eat up clock in that Dallas game last November.
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exactly...andy passes the ball even when hes in the lead
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last season was a nightmare. everything went wrong. people were hurt and injured and out of focus.  you can't really blame one thing on anybody.  the machine was broken. thats all there is to say about it.  now behave yourselves :evil
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Whatever.  If the machine was broken, perhaps the operator should be hauled in for a little talk with the supervisor, no?  Reid would have to change his ways drastically for me to defend his playcalling.  He passes way, way too much.  Nevermind all the nancy arguments why he passed so much in this game or that...he passes way too much.  That needs to be fixed and I'll believe it when I see it, even if Westbrook says he's gonna get the rock more this year.
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Quote from: Diomedes on May 11, 2006, 08:41:48 AM
Whatever.  If the machine was broken, perhaps the operator should be hauled in for a little talk with the supervisor, no?  Reid would have to change his ways drastically for me to defend his playcalling.  He passes way, way too much.  Nevermind all the nancy arguments why he passed so much in this game or that...he passes way too much.  That needs to be fixed and I'll believe it when I see it, even if Westbrook says he's gonna get the rock more this year.

I couldn't agree more.
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the funny thing is, the way westbrook is used in this offense to create mismatches for dfenses requires him to either line up in the slot, motion out of the backfield or on the wing. I just dont see how he is going to run those quick routes,  then get back in the huddle and run a sweep or go between the tackles--getting banged up big time by the lineman and LBs. Take those hits and line up in the slot again--giving him how many touches a game for the run?

Reid better be damn sure of Westbrooks durabilty game in and game out--I still cant see it happening