the random musings not worthy of new thread thread

[PhillyPhreak54]

Ha! Ed pulled out the Maury Povich lines...

Hopefully that Howard K. Stern dude will kill himself now

[Sgt PSN]

I still have no clue what you dickwads are talking about other than the fact that it apparently has something to do with Howard Stern. 

[Rome]

Holy shtein, Sassy.  You suck at teh GOOGLE.

They're talking about Anna Nicole Smith's little orphaned bastich of a child.

[Sgt PSN]

Ugh, sorry I asked.  I wish everyone involved in that entire would catch AIDS and die.  Including the kid just so they'd stfu about it. 

[Father Demon]

Ugh, sorry I asked.  I wish everyone involved in that entire would catch AIDS and die.  Including the kid just so they'd stfu about it. 

You can't put the kid on Ghoulpool until the 2009 season.

[methdeez]

I think without the mom on the scene its not a good bet.

[ice grillin you]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001891.html?hpid=topnews


If calling the Rutgers women's basketball players "nappy-headed hos" was the first deplorable and offensive utterance out of shock jock Don Imus's mouth, there probably wouldn't be a national firestorm over his reprehensible characterization. If this was some rare event, then there wouldn't be organizations lining up to demand he be fired. If this was the first time, or second, or 10th, probably Imus wouldn't have been suspended for two weeks from his syndicated radio show, which is simulcast on MSNBC.

But there's nothing rare about Imus's vile attacks. This is what he does as a matter of course. Imus and his studio cohorts have painted black people as convicts and muggers and worst of all, apes. Not only do they find it funny, they expect everybody else will as well.

Sid Rosenberg, whom Imus once fired, then rehired, said one morning in 2001 that Serena and Venus Williams would be better off posing in National Geographic than Playboy. He knew he was saying Serena and Venus are closer to wild animals than women.

Please don't tell me it's not fair to hold Imus accountable for that remark and others like it because it didn't come out of his mouth. Imus hires the people who utter this filth and, in fact, wants them to go as far as possible because he believes it insulates him to a certain degree from the harshest criticism.

This is what Imus has done for years and years, and Viacom and NBC Universal pay him a king's ransom to do it. Imus has been questioned about his tactics over the years, and he says repeatedly and dismissively, "Get over it." He certainly isn't the only morning shock jock doing this, but he's the one whose behind is being scorched now and justifiably so.

Imus is the one who said in 1995 of Gwen Ifill, an accomplished, award-winning black journalist of incredible dignity and grace: "Isn't the [New York] Times wonderful. . . . It lets the cleaning lady cover the White House."

It's Imus who called William C. Rhoden, the veteran Times sports columnist, "a quota hire." Of course, the work, accomplishments or stature of their targets do not matter to Imus and his stooges. He makes fun of former attorney general Janet Reno's Parkinson's disease.

So "nappy-headed hos" wasn't some weak moment of great exception on the Imus show. In 1997, during a "60 Minutes" profile, Mike Wallace confronted Imus and a former producer who quoted Imus as saying he'd hired a staffer to "do ni--er jokes." [Letters redacted to avoid the filter.] When I mentioned that earlier this week on ESPN's Pardon the Interruption, Imus responded on his show that it simply did not happen -- though I see it in a 2000 issue of the Columbia Journalism Review and had a producer access it through a transcript (also the audio version) on National Public Radio.

Wallace: "You've told Tom Anderson, the producer, in your car coming home that Bernard McGuirk is there to do ni--er jokes.'" [Letters redacted to avoid the filter.]

Imus: "Well, I've . . . I never use that word."

Wallace: "Tom?"

Tom Anderson: "I'm right here."

Imus: "Did I use that word?

Anderson: "I recall you using that word."

Imus: "Oh, okay, well then I used that word, but I mean . . . of course that was an off-the-record conversation . . ."

Wallace: "The hell it was."

So, you'll excuse me if I dismiss Imus's apology as bogus. He's apologized in the past, told veteran black journalist Clarence Page on the air he would "promise to cease all simian references to black . . . black athletes." That was before Imus went back to the ape references, probably within a week.

Understandably, this has led to a whole lot of folks calling for Imus's head. Personally, I'd rather see Imus have to confront anger, scorn and ridicule every single day. I'd rather see him have to deal with the accusation of being a bigot. I'd rather the criticism come at Imus from every angle, indefinitely, rather than have him slink away to private life.

You'll have to excuse me for not believing a man can utter this brand of filth month after month, then proclaim testily he's not a bigot. Firing, in some ways, would let him off the hook too easily. I'll defend Imus's right to free speech, while pointing out that those of us who find him and his goons contemptible have the exact same right to free speech. I'd rather see Imus squirm in the face of withering criticism than be fired and turn up six months later as some kind of martyr.

[SunMo]

does he do one of those articles every time a new rap album comes out using the same, and worse, words?

[Rome]

The guy who posts 'stylishly dressed young mans' every other day is outraged by racism.

Gotta love it.

[Diomedes]

does he do one of those articles every time a new rap album comes out using the same, and worse, words?

silly Mo, don't you know that only stillupfronts are allowed to use the word stillupfront?

he does one of these pieces everytime there's something new and shiny in the "moral" "news" pipleline.  just like the rest of them are doing.

farg Imus.  farg the people who get all pissy over him.  You can all go to hell.

Where is the outrage about real racism?  Take a look at the percentage of drug use by race, and then take a look at the percentage of arrests for the same.  How many white people in prison for pot?  How many blacks?  THAT'S an example of the racism people like this WashPo blowhard should be railing against.  Not some bigoted old shock jock loser.

[ice grillin you]

does he do one of those articles every time a new rap album comes out using the same, and worse, words?

lemme explain this again for the oppressed white males who complain about a double standard being applied to black comedians and rappers....by and large white america spent 500 years treating black americans as a joke.....therefore jokes and offensive language directed by a white person at a black person is rightfully more offensive than such "humor" delivered by blacks against whites or blacks against blacks.... 

when the 'other man' owns 95% of the country and your ancestors didnt spend hundreds of years having their rights and dignity ripped away by those telling the jokes its easy to have thick skin when some black guy calls you a bad dancer or a silly benign term like honky....but for black people theres a painful history (and present day) that makes it much harder to brush such jokes off or judge their sincerity....to a certain extent black people are responsible for their own destiny but its hard to act like everyones equal when so many blacks still face obstacles that are deliberately put in their way by white america....this is the instututionalized racism dio speaks of...until that stops its pretty hard for blacks to laugh off being called a jiggaboo or nappy headed whore by a white man on a white radio station with white listeners owned by white people...

the main reason so many people are bothered by this is that imus' show laughs at black people (and women and other minorities) not with them....again its a show with predominantly white guests with a predominantly white audience, who has a long history of ridiculing black people specifically because of their race

just like bringing up sharpton and jesse by bringing up rappers or comedians who use the word ho is nothing mroe than setting up the straw man in this case....its a way to defend the indefensible by blaming more black people

[SunMo]

so basically, to summarize...free speech applies to different races differently?

[Wingspan]

If the terms and words are so offensive to those races as to which they apply (rightly so)...why do those who are of that race use them as humor?

[rjs246]

Why the farg do you all continue to talk about this? Only religion and politics are even close to as boring as race.

[ice grillin you]

so basically, to summarize...free speech applies to different races differently?

not a free speech issue...you can say whatever want....but be prepared to face the repercussions when you do


If the terms and words are so offensive...why do they say them?

i just explained to you that depending on the context of how they are said and by who it carries a different offense level

and theres lots of black and whites that dont agree with the images and words that many rappers portray...shtein some of their videos are practically mistrel shows

but again that has nothing to do with anything...its a different argument its it own thread...to bring it up here is to try and minimize/defend what imus did and deflect attention from something that makes many whites uncomfortable and self concious....it has to do with white guilt...there are whites out there that think and say the same things imus did...and when imus get criticized for it they personally feel as tho they are being attacked...so they lash back and try to spin this and go back at black people like rappers al sharpton jesse jackson ect...