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[PhillyPhanInDC]

One thing I'm fairly certain of is that, as usual, I have no farging idea what the Eagles are going to do in the draft.

Werd life, son.


The only stone, cold lock for the draft I would put money on is that I have no idea who they will pick.

That said, let me assure you all that it will be Haloti Ngata.

[ice grillin you]

how about a good line and very good weapons

rather than a great line and heinous weapons

[PhillyPhanInDC]

how about a good line and very good weapons

rather than a great line and heinous weapons

I wouldn't say that the Birds have "heinous" weapons. Granted, the aren't sure-fire studs, but Westbrook, Brown, Little John, and to a degree, Gaffney aren't terrible.

If you give McNabb all day to throw the ball, you wind up with a bunch of WRs/RBs/TEs with sick numbers. It's that simple. I would be all for the Eagles getting a playmaker....no doubt, but I think the reason it seems a playmaker is needed so badly is he would make up for a deficiency elsewhere. With Moss you talk about a guy with cat like quickness, who turns a hitch, a screen, or a reverse into a huge gain. With a solid line, McNabb can stand back there, pick his target and deliver an accurate ball downfield, for a big gain.

[Zanshin]

Problem is there's practically no skill offensive player that would be a major factor for us this year, outside of special teams.  Hell, the only reason Reggie had an impact last year was because of TO and injury.  I find it hard to believe that a receiver would step in an be a difference-making threat.

[ice grillin you]

If you give McNabb all day to throw the ball, you wind up with a bunch of WRs/RBs/TEs with sick numbers. It's that simple

not true...other than last year hes had plenty of time to throw over his career...yet the only year 'sick' numbers were produced was when they had TO

Problem is there's practically no skill offensive player that would be a major factor for us this year, outside of special teams.  Hell, the only reason Reggie had an impact last year was because of TO and injury.  I find it hard to believe that a receiver would step in an be a difference-making threat.

would a rook wr come in this year an put up big numbers...probably not...would a bit time threat type player like a holmes or moss...someone who needs to be accounted for on every play make this offense better yes...and in a few years when the player hopefully blossoms into a stud the offense has a dimension that its never had (outside of two years ago)...

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

how about a good line and very good weapons

rather than a great line and heinous weapons

Well, I don't even know if they'll have a "good" line this year.  The C/LG hole could be a big issue or could be just fine.  Thomas might not be 100%, and Runyan is still great often but is bad with edge rushers (a la DeMarcus Ware, Andre Carter, Osi Umeniyora, etc).  They should be "good", but they might not be.  Wouldn't hurt to add there still.

However, I agree... they need more ways to attack the defense.  As of now, they only have a finesse passing capability and a lot of question marks at WR.  Then again, adding a rookie WR doesn't exactly remove the question mark problem at all.  Of course, you can't go wrong with a defensive playmaker either.  A guy who finds ways to get the defense off the field (ie: Ernie Sims, Wimbley, Huff, et al) would help out.

[ice grillin you]

im not specifically talking about this year...but the overall offensive philosophy that the team has...the fact that the line gets ten times the attention that the skill positions around it...i have no questions about how important the line is but there has to be a balance there and with andy there never is...theyve taken a lot of lineman in the draft the last few years...signed kearse and howard and yet again this year we are all focusing in on DL and OL in the draft...what the hell is going on

does reid ever think that if the defense had to respect some real life wr's and if guys were getting open then maybe the line wouldnt have to be as great...they could hold for three seconds instead of having to lock down for five...the blitzing would lessen as well


as for the defense i see the same problem tho to a lesser degree...they just dont have people out on the field that scare anyone...this changes somewhat this season if howard can regain his form of a few years ago..so yes i agree with you that a sims would be the defensive equivalent to picking holmes and id be very happy

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I waffle pretty much daily on Holmes, but I tend to bend to the side of really not wanting him.

[ice grillin you]

im not huge on holmes...im more using him because he will be available and carries a grade to be picked at 14

in my dream world its sims then moss...then take seven straight lineman if you wish

[SunMo]

it is strange that they draft as if they had the Steeler's offensive philosophy.

they are a team that loves to throw, yet they don't pay near enough attention to the guys who need to make the plays in the passing game.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Well, in 4 of 6 years between 2000-2005, they used a first-day pick on a WR:

2000 - Todd Pinkston - early 2nd round
2001 - Freddie Mitchell - late 1st round
2003 - Billy McMullen - late 3rd round
2005 - Reggie Brown - early 2nd round

So, I would actually contend that they've made as much effort to get some top-line talent at WR through the draft as could be expected.  The problem is that their WR scouting has sucked hairy nutsack, not that they haven't tried.

[ice grillin you]

Well, in 4 of 6 years between 2000-2005, they used a first-day pick on a WR:

2000 - Todd Pinkston - early 2nd round
2001 - Freddie Mitchell - late 1st round
2003 - Billy McMullen - late 3rd round
2005 - Reggie Brown - early 2nd round

i agree to a point...but i ask where is the speed and explosiveness...the playmaking ability in those picks...i dont want just another wr this year in the draft like demetrius williams...i want moss

all their picks are west coast andy reid offense possesion receivers

thats the main problem ive had with andys drafts since the beginning...hes always looking for solid guys...whether it be just making the catch as opposed to breaking the catch for a td....or its being a solid tackler instead of a guy who causes turnovers...its a guy with a high wonderlic who can learn the system not a guy whos gonna go sideline to sideline wrecking shop...a small pass rushing dt instead of a beast who can blow up the interior of a offensive line

im probably missing one or two but theres only been like five guys hes ever picked with thru the roof athleticism...burgess...cole....wynn...milons...

you need both kinds of players...but what really wins games in the nfl is playmakers...sometimes its the difference between getting to conference championship games and winning superbowls...and imo theyve have not had enough of them under andy

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Pinkston ran a sub 4.4 40 before the injury.

He's probably closer to 4.7 now.

[SunMo]

yeah, well at least he still has his toughness.

[Feva]

Pinkston ran a sub 4.4 40 before the injury.

With a stiff tailwind.