Jeff Lurie vs. Jaguars Owner (and other owners spats)

PoopyfaceMcGee · March 14, 2006, 08:37:27 AM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 14, 2006, 08:35:56 AM
i just hope they get this settled. i can't wait for free agency to begin, i just know the Eagles are gonna be real aggressive, i heard this center from New Orleans is a lock z!1!1!@!

Rome · March 14, 2006, 08:42:22 AM

Yeah, not one of Mo's better efforts...

SunMo · March 14, 2006, 08:43:20 AM

no? my bad, i thought it was a clever little way of tying this whole weekend debacle into this thread. my apologies to everyone hurt by it.

PoopyfaceMcGee · March 14, 2006, 08:44:32 AM

Your apology is gladly not accepted until you go tell your boss/dad that his ass looks nice in those pants.

Susquehanna Birder · March 14, 2006, 08:45:40 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2006, 07:29:13 AM
On one hand I would agree. And you would think that the big money teams would readily assist them smaller teams because the more money they make the less the big boys have to shell out in revenue sharing. But then the question is: are the small market guys resting on their laurels and not really giving a shtein. They just eat up that revenue sharing and don't put it back into their team to help make money. The cliche goes - you gotta spend money to make money. And guys like Bill Bidwill don't spend to make.

I guess you're right. I keep thinking these guys aren't making a boatload because they don't know how. I didn't think that they are just lazy, self-serving fargs who just eat up all of their own profit. But if that's the case, then the rest of the NFL shouldn't subsidize their misbehavior.

QuoteBut on the other...why would the NFL have to assist a guy or guys who own a multimillion dollar business have to help him out? If you're smart enough to get approved to own the team you should be smart enough to market the team.

Kind of a circular argument. Once you are an NFL owner, you are part of the NFL. I guess that's what makes this part so entertaining, seeing all the mavericks and individualists having to get together for a greater cause than themselves.

Rome · March 14, 2006, 08:52:44 AM

From the "no shtein sherlock file..." obviously it's easier for a guy like Jeff Lurie to make money on the Eagles than it is for Wayne Weaver to make on the Jags. Trust me, I had season tickets with the Jags and they do work their asses off to sell the product, and for the most part, they're pretty successful.

The fact is, though, their market is tiny compared to Philly, Dallas & Washington, so Jerry Jones making snide comments about a small market like Cincinnati like he did makes him look like a jackass. If Jerry Jones or Danny Snyder were saddled with a market as small as Jacksonville, their ability to reap huge rewards from the populace would be severely restricted just like Wayne Weaver's is.

Weaver is a fricken billionaire and he didn't make his money from the Jaguars. He's an ultra-successful businessman but the market, stadium deal, television revenues, and ancillary revenue sources he has to draw from definitely prevents him from maximizing profit.

PoopyfaceMcGee · March 14, 2006, 08:58:19 AM

Well then... maybe the NFL should have put the expansion team in a bigger market, rather than create a situation where they know the franchise will have to beg for money from bigger-market teams.

PhillyPhreak54 · March 14, 2006, 09:03:35 AM

Romey = Jags fan!1!!

T_Section224 · March 14, 2006, 09:04:38 AM

they are his "other" favorite team

MadMarchHare · March 14, 2006, 09:06:32 AM

Rome, c'mon now. The Bengals could easily get 10-20 MM a year for naming rights on the stadium, Jones is absolutely right on there.

Snyder is too. If they pay $1 a year for the stadium, with no operating costs, no shtein they aren't going to make money off the stadium. But they also save bucketloads of cash from the operating costs.

There are ways to increase revenues, these guys aren't taking advantage of it and shouldn't be coddled. Sure, DC is a bigger market than Cincinnati, but you should maximize your revenue, and if it still isn't enough, move to LA.

ice grillin you · March 14, 2006, 09:22:57 AM

maybe they are old school and dont wanna price out their fanbase....maybe they actually care about their fanbase

the nfl is not a free market...instead of brown having to lose his team or move it away from its home...why shouldnt snyder or jerry jones have to sell their team and go into the real business world

Wingspan · March 14, 2006, 09:24:11 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 09:22:57 AM
....maybe they actually care about their fanbase

now THAT'S funny

Susquehanna Birder · March 14, 2006, 11:33:41 AM

Quote from: FFatPatt on March 14, 2006, 08:58:19 AM
Well then... maybe the NFL should have put the expansion team in a bigger market, rather than create a situation where they know the franchise will have to beg for money from bigger-market teams.

Exactly. I don't buy the "we're in a small market" whine. I'm sure there is a market-to-revenue ratio figured out somewhere. I understand that a smaller market will never compete with a huge market like NY or Philly in straight gross revenue, but I get the impression that many of these franchises don't even pull their proportional share.

Phanatic · March 14, 2006, 11:47:37 AM

Green Bay does alright and you can't get a smaller market then that. Jacksonville is a pretty big market by comparison I would think.

Jacksonville > Wisconsin

Don Ho · March 14, 2006, 01:59:31 PM

To this day I still can't get over the whole scenario in Phoenix with the Cardinals. My god you have a market that grows by leaps and bounds every year as people continue to flock there. Have you been to Phoenix recently? Place is huge. To have that team playing in a college stadium the last 20 years is a joke. The way the Bidwells run that organization not even a state of the art new stadium with it's retractable field will help. Couple more years of mediocrity and cheap seats and LA will finally have an NFL franchise again. Just keep Bidwell out of Orange County.