Please god, let this be true

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PhillyPhanInDC

Quote from: Philly Forever on April 17, 2006, 06:52:40 PM
I'm pretty sure Moss has the best first 3 years as a WR than any in history.

One could argue that he has had down years ever since his rookie season. He'd be amazing if he wasn't such a pompous ass.
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.""  R.I.P George.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Great WR's are usually pompous asses.  His problem is his only-occasional competitive edge.

reese125


PhillyPhanInDC

#198
Quote from: reese125 on April 18, 2006, 09:20:18 AM
and imitation QB he just had

An excellent point from Crackhead Yoda.

KFFL this morning:

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Eagles | Team won't comment about J. Walker
Tue, 18 Apr 2006 05:38:21 -0700

Bob Grotz, of the Delaware County Times, reports the Philadelphia Eagles quietly wouldn't confirm or deny interest in Green Bay Packers WR Javon Walker. Earlier reports had the Eagles, San Francisco 49ers and Denver Broncos linked as potential trade partners for the Packers, if they decide to trade Walker. The Packers have said they aren't interested in giving Walker away amid a broadcast report that a couple of second round choices might appease the Packers. It's more likely the Packers would have to take a conditional pick or picks should they change their minds and unload Walker. The Eagles have made no secret of their intention of upgrading the wide receiver position after getting rid of temperamental superstar WR Terrell Owens.

"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.""  R.I.P George.

reese125

An excellent point from Crackhead Yoda.

Indulge me please Phanin?


and Im gonna say...nobody feels enlightened with this rerun Walker news. 

Cmon...your better than that guy  ;)

stalker

Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 18, 2006, 09:26:59 AM


The Eagles have made no secret of their intention of upgrading the wide receiver position after getting rid of temperamental superstar WR Terrell Owens.


When have the Eagles actually stated that?
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ice grillin you

for real...everything theyve done and said has actually been the opposite
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PoopyfaceMcGee

Rich Hofmann buzzkill

QuoteRich Hofmann | Trade draft pick for Javon Walker? Ha!
BIRDS' HISTORY IN ANDY REID ERA SAYS THEY'LL FIND REASONS NOT TO DO IT

Terrell Owens.

Mark Simoneau.

Luther Broughton.

What could they possibly have in common?

Only this: They are the only three veteran players for whom the Eagles have been willing to trade a draft pick since Andy Reid became the team's head coach in 1999.

The reason this is worth talking about is because lots of people in town are asking lots of questions about Green Bay wide receiver Javon Walker, a significant talent coming off a significant knee injury, and a player with a contract problem who insists he will never play for the Packers again.

The Eagles' receiving corps, sans Owens, sans difference-maker, really does seem a little thin (and we're not just talking about Todd Pinkston, who has legs like arms). If they really do have an interest in Walker, as has been sporadically reported, it will take a trade to get him, and the trade almost certainly would require a draft choice - and not an insignificant draft choice, even when you factor in the knee thing.

And that's the point, about the Eagles and their philosophy. History says they aren't going to do it.

The Eagles have never traded away a really significant draft choice to get a player since Reid has been in charge. Owens was acquired for defensive end Brandon Whiting and a fifth-round pick, which later became a No. 5 and a No. 6 when Whiting couldn't play. The Simoneau deal saw the Eagles part with a fourth-rounder and a sixth-rounder. As for Broughton, it was a seventh-rounder in 1999.

Along the way, there are many instances when they have swapped draft picks for draft picks, moving and maneuvering to reposition themselves on draft day - but those are very different transactions, at least in the mind of the Eagles under this regime.

For this team, the draft is the mechanism by which they believe a successful franchise continually renews itself - and maximizing your options in the draft is organizational dogma. For the Eagles, draft choices are gold.

So, do you spend gold on Javon Walker?

The Eagles' answer will tell you plenty.

There are three ways the Eagles could end up doing this, three reasons why they might go against type. We'll take them one at a time - and then we'll knock them all down, too.

• First, they might do it if they think they're getting a steal. The Eagles, if nothing else, respect value in a deal. That much is obvious.

The problem is, there is almost no way for them to get a steal in this one. The Packers are in an interesting spot in their history - and we're not just talking about how the ridiculous and selfish Brett Favre is holding up the team by refusing to decide if he's coming back. The Packers are in a spot because of what they did in their recent past, which is let defensive back Mike McKenzie stamp his feet over a contract issue and talk his way into getting traded.

As an organization, the Packers cannot afford to allow another player to pull that kind of stunt. At this point, they have to pretty much be willing to let Walker rot rather than accede to his demands - unless somebody bowls them over with, oh, a first-round draft choice, which is an awful lot for a guy who had one great season and then blew out a knee, which means it wouldn't be a steal anymore for the Eagles.

• Second, the Eagles might do it because they're really scared about the talent level on the roster at wide receiver. That just makes sense - you see a need and you fill it.

The problem is, there is no way the Eagles are really scared about what they have at wideout. They might not be thrilled with a still-young Reggie Brown, along with Pinkston, newly acquired Jabar Gaffney and the rest of the fellas, but they're not scared. They've won a lot of games with less - although that was with more of a running game, and with a quarterback willing to run, too.

• Third, the Eagles might do it because there is something about this particular season that demands a trade of later for now. Whether it is a window-closing argument, or a determination to give quarterback Donovan McNabb every chance to succeed after such a frustrating 2005 season, you get the idea.

The problem with that argument is, there is no available evidence the Eagles think that way. There is no more demonstrated urgency about this upcoming season than about any recent season. You can't say the Eagles haven't made offseason moves, because they have. Their addressing of needs has been very methodical, and they have passed on expensive alternatives and stuck to their formula of insisting on value. Nothing has changed.

They do not look like a team that is ready to trade a significant draft pick for Javon Walker. If they do, it will be the biggest surprise of 2006 so far.

Feva

QuoteThe Simoneau deal saw the Eagles part with a fourth-rounder and a sixth-rounder.

Forgot about that one.  That hurts.  :boom
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phillymic2000

WE ARE NOT GETTING WALKER, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

ice grillin you

#205
WE ARE NOT GETTING WALKER, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

shut em down shut em shut em down
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PoopyfaceMcGee

I just find it amusing that his article title says, "Ha!"

I think he might read :CF on occasion.

MURP

Quoteonly three veteran players for whom the Eagles have been willing to trade a draft pick since Andy Reid became the team's head coach in 1999.

wonder how many players the average team has traded draft picks for in that same time period. 

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: MURP on April 19, 2006, 11:15:35 AM
wonder how many players the average team has traded draft picks for in that same time period. 

The average is probably slightly higher than the Eagles.  Maybe 4-5 guys.

It's also waaaaaaay lower than the skins, who've traded picks for probably 25 guys since then (including RFA's).

MURP

Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 11:19:33 AM

The average is probably slightly higher than the Eagles.  Maybe 4-5 guys.

is that backed up with any facts or just a FF guess?