Fascist Kooks Outlaw Abortion In South Dakota

[Wingspan]

I was simply asking FF to place himself in a position that would prompt him to make a decision that went against his beliefs.

and i was simply asking if that position is a possibility. if it is, fine. if it is not, then it's like saying "dont drink that bottle of pepsi, koala's die every day"

[MadMarchHare]

FWIW, my wife and I mutually agreed we had neither the time nor the patience for a Down's syndrome child or the like.  We had amnios performed so if there was a problem, we could abort.  Luckily, it didn't come to that, and we didn't have to make that call.  But I doubt I'd of had kids if that wasn't an option.

[Philly_Crew]

That said... there are times when an abortion is a necessity and if "murdering" a child is acceptable sometimes, then why isn't it acceptable other times? 

The "right" for a woman to be able to have an abortion should be absolute simply because denying them access for one reason while allowing it for another is hypocritical.  Either we allow them legally or we don't.  If we don't, if we criminalize the procedure, they're still going to be done and they'll probably be done just as frequently as well.

Just like murder is a capital punishment but murder in self-defense is not.  This doesn't have to be all or nothing.  Many laws have loopholes or exceptions.  It's not hypocritical.  Hypocritical is Dio's example of not allowing abortion but then not funding orphanages or supporting  tax subsidies or incentives for adoption.  If the religious right is so supportive of pro-life, every church should be filled with adopted kids, IMO.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Abortion is wrong and unnatural.

If your wife's life was in danger, and an abortion was the only way to save her, would you still think that way?

Killing my wife goes more against my morals and beliefs than killing a fetus/child I never met.  If I had to choose during childbirth between my wife and my child, my wife would win every time.

Now's when you get to call me a hypocrite because I actually answered your question instead of dodging it.

P.S.  Not a day would go by in my life that choosing to kill my baby wouldn't haunt me.

[Rome]

Settle down, Nancy.   

The intent of my question wasn't to call you a hypocrite if you answered like you did.  I would choose the same option as you every time.

My point in asking it was to reinforce my belief that it's a horrible choice any way you look at it, but it's a choice that should remain legal because criminalizing it would only make things worse.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

My point in asking it was to reinforce my belief that it's a horrible choice any way you look at it, but it's a choice that should remain legal because criminalizing it would only make things worse.

Then you've failed to realize that I 100% agree with that statement, and I've said nothing to make you believe otherwise throughout this thread.

[Geowhizzer]

Abortion is wrong and unnatural.

If your wife's life was in danger, and an abortion was the only way to save her, would you still think that way?

Killing my wife goes more against my morals and beliefs than killing a fetus/child I never met.  If I had to choose during childbirth between my wife and my child, my wife would win every time.

Now's when you get to call me a hypocrite because I actually answered your question instead of dodging it.

P.S.  Not a day would go by in my life that choosing to kill my baby wouldn't haunt me.

It would be a very tough choice for me- tougher than any I have had to make, and I pray that I never am faced with that decision.  I would have to acquiese to my wife's wishes in the end, as it is her life in the balance.  Personally, I would be anguished over either decision.

If the baby was viable, I believe she would go for keeping the child.  I would support her wholeheartedly, and if the baby was not viable I would have to suggest terminating the pregnancy for her safety.

And I agree with FF, the pain and mourning would be endless.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

If the baby was viable, I believe she would go for keeping the child.  I would support her wholeheartedly, and if the baby was not viable I would have to suggest terminating the pregnancy for her safety.

I'm not a good enough person to acquiese to her wishes.  If I allowed her to make that decision, which I'm almost sure she would make in favor of the child's life and not her own, I'd have to raise our child alone... always harbouring a bit of resentment for him or her for killing my wife.  No thanks.

[rjs246]

I will never understand anyone who would choose the as yet unborn child over their wife. Never.

[Geowhizzer]

I will never understand anyone who would choose the as yet unborn child over their wife. Never.

If it were just me, I'd choose my wife if it came to a decision as to which one lives, and the choices are mutually exclusive.  But it's not just me, and it's not my life at stake.

[ice grillin you]

i care more about pretty much every living breathing human being (and some animals) on earth than i do about any unborn child...except my own of course

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Any half-decent woman would choose her child's life in that situation, so it would be up to the husband to not allow her to make that decision.  Even if I knew it would cause my wife to divorce me afterwards because she wanted so desperately in that moment to be a martyr, I still wouldn't let her die.

[Rome]

I will never understand anyone who would choose the as yet unborn child over their wife. Never.

You can always have more kids.  Maybe not naturally but there's always adoption if things don't work out.

We have friends who went through miscarriage after miscarriage before they finally stopped trying.  The wife just wasn't able to carry a child to term for some reason.

They ended up adopting two kids and are just as fulfilled with them as if they had their own biological children.

[hunt]

you could always get another wife too.

[rjs246]

Adoption is a better option anyway.