Fascist Kooks Outlaw Abortion In South Dakota

[ice grillin you]

There is not way in hell that a surgical procedure is better than pushing a girlfriend down the stairs

everyone knows you dont touch women...i instead leave banana peels around the house

A child isn't a child until its born

and even after its born and before it knows what life death happy sad blue red night day are i feel as tho they are barely people....but certainly before they are born no way....if someone chooses to terminate a day before birth just because they feel like it then let em...overpopulation gets the gas face

i cant fathom how people care more about an unborn baby than they do an american soldier in iraq or iraqi children dying every day...or how about the impoverished americans who die everyday due to starvation or sickness...

i might be more on the side of anti abortion heads if they first put their efforts into making a better life for people who are actually alive (other than themselves)

[Rome]

FF... no one gives a shtein about South Dakota, least of all me.  What concerns me is the precedent that this law of theirs sets.

Bible-bangers want it all their way or no way at all.  shtein, man... you live in the south.  Tell me those fargers don't annoy the hell out of you.

Many of them are not willing to allow abortion in cases of rape, incest or even when the mother's life is in danger.  Nope, to them, clumps of fertilized cells are more important than the "whore" who got herself raped, farged by her father, or even worse, had the poor form to develop complications during her pregnancy that threaten her life.

It's unreasonable to deny medical treatment to an entire set of Americans when a small group of them abuse the system or the procedure.  If right-wingers are so dead-set against unwanted pregnancies, then how about allowing sexual-education courses in public schools?  The object should be to prevent unwanted pregnancies before they occur yet the religious right doesn't even want sex to be discussed.  They've taken the ostrich's course and this is the result.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Don't lump all "right-wingers" in on this.  The "religious right" is a different story.

Look... I don't know how any politician loses perspective, except that I can only assume that they are pandering to a majority of their constituency in order to get re-elected OR they are selling their votes to the highest bidder.  Either way, these guys don't have views on anything that represent real peoples' opinions.

Abortion is wrong and unnatural.  I don't care what angle you take to convince yourself that a forming life ever should be allowed to be vacuumed out and have its head chopped off, but it's sketchy at best.  That said, people are evil sunsofbitches, and abortion's been legal for more than 3 decades.  It makes even less sense than justifying abortion does to NOW try to make it illegal.  Imagine what would happen if they made marijuana and cocaine legal for 3 decades, then made it illegal again... can't do it.  They tried with prohibition.

The moral compass of America and the world is permanently busted.  But trying to turn back the clock to make things right only makes people more resistant and demanding of their "rights".  It's simply too much to ask to have politicians use logic to figure that sort of thing out.  This is more applicable in the social arena to "right-wingers", but is more applicable in the fiscal arena to "left-wingers".  They all suck.

[Philly_Crew]

Bottom line is this...and I will make one post to this thread.

No matter what the law is, abortions will continue to happen. Only now, as mentioned already, it will be done by some backalley hack looking to make a quick buck.

Doesn't have to be.  If the issue was left up to the voters in the states, I bet most of New England and California would vote to keep it.  Those from the midwest and the south who are seeking it would travel there.  I am personally against it and think history will view our society's toleration akin to history's view on societies who promoted slavery.

I always hear the argument about rape.  Are there any reliable figures that show what percentage of abortions are from rape or to save the life of the mother?  It is probably too controversial and no one on either side wants to track it.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

There is no source out there claiming that rape & incest cases are any more than 5% of all abortions, and the more accurate figure is probably at or under 1%... but if you outlawed abortion in all other cases, I think you'd see the number of women getting pregnancies terminated by a lot, but a much higher % would claim rape or incest just to get the procedure done legally and in a medically-sound way.

[Philly_Crew]

There is no source out there claiming that rape & incest cases are any more than 5% of all abortions, and the more accurate figure is probably at or under 1%... but if you outlawed abortion in all other cases, I think you'd see the number of women getting pregnancies terminated by a lot, but a much higher % would claim rape or incest just to get the procedure done legally and in a medically-sound way.

Good point.

[MadMarchHare]

I'm more worried you'll see more dumpster dumping, suffocations and the like.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Look... people suck.  They're going to do illegal and stupid acts with frequency anyway.  But that's no reason to practically dare them to break the law, by taking away something which they've grown to consider a right.

I feel compelled to clarify once again just how disgusting and wrong I think abortion is.  Personal opinions are no reason to push aside pragmatism and live in happy happy joy joy land, though.

[Rome]

Abortion is wrong and unnatural. 

If your wife's life was in danger, and an abortion was the only way to save her, would you still think that way?

[Wingspan]

Abortion is wrong and unnatural. 

If your wife's life was in danger, and an abortion was the only way to save her, would you still think that way?

i dont disagree with that point of view. but, is that a medically possible scenerio?

[rjs246]

Um, yes. It's actually relatively common.

[Wingspan]

Um, yes. It's actually relatively common.

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[Rome]

I was simply asking FF to place himself in a position that would prompt him to make a decision that went against his beliefs.

Like I've said previously, I'm not wild about abortion.  In fact, I think the number of abortions that are performed in this country is reprehensible, especially considering the almost universal and unfettered access we have to prophylactics and other birth control devices.

That said... there are times when an abortion is a necessity and if "murdering" a child is acceptable sometimes, then why isn't it acceptable other times? 

The "right" for a woman to be able to have an abortion should be absolute simply because denying them access for one reason while allowing it for another is hypocritical.  Either we allow them legally or we don't.  If we don't, if we criminalize the procedure, they're still going to be done and they'll probably be done just as frequently as well.

[Geowhizzer]

I would contend that the "right thing" also shouldn't necessarily be guided/controlled by what is most expedient.  For the most part I am pragmatic as well, but this is an issue I find too important morally to think about what "will work."

I don't think that the SD law will hold up, at least as stated, in the court system.  There's been too many precedents swinging the other way for something that sweeping to get through.

As I said, I am probably more conservative in this issue than most that frequent this board.  My wife and I have discussed the issue before.  She is pro-life as well, but we've debated the issues of rape/incest and the such.

I struggle with the issue of abortion in cases of rape and incest.  I can't help but see it as creating another victim of the crime when the mother aborts the baby because of the traumatic event.  I aslo can't judge the woman in these cases, as I can never experience what they are going through. 

And bastiches that are guilty of rape or child molestation should have their genitals removed and spend the rest of their lives being repeatedly gang-raped by 600-pound mountain gorillas.

[Wingspan]

Um, yes. It's actually relatively common.

i know a woman can have irreversible complications during child birth. but at that point abortions are illegal anyway. but my question (it's a serious question that i do not know the answer to), is it possible, or has it happened where a woman is given the choice by a doctor of "have an abortion, or die"