Fascist Kooks Outlaw Abortion In South Dakota

[phillymic2000]

And who gets to decide the "classification" of a fetus?

I say Coach Gibbs should be consulted.

[rjs246]

Ha. Good to see that everyone is at least keeping their sense of humor.

[Geowhizzer]

And who gets to decide the "classification" of a fetus?

I say Coach Gibbs should be consulted.

[Rome]

The word strengths is the longest word in the English language that contains only one vowel.

That's hot.

PS: Gibbs is God so he already knows the answer.  Duh.

[Diomedes]

Hey everyone, let's talk about abortion on a message board!!  I'm all for it, what do you say??

[phillymic2000]

Hey everyone, let's talk about abortion on a message board!!  I'm all for it, what do you say??

Well seeing that you already posted twice on the first page, sure why not.

[Diomedes]

Go, beer!

[phillymic2000]

This is great news for rapists in South Dakota.  They get to invade the woman for nine months instead of just 80 seconds, and they get the satisfaction of knowing their DNA will survive.  Rapists 1; Girls 0.

I wonder how many of the lawmakers who support this bill also support funding for orphanages?  And how many support tax subsidies for adoption?  Don't even bother asking how many have actually adopted, or would adopt, children born of incest, born to crack heads, gas huffers, and meth fiends, born of rape?  I mean, who wants a rape baby?  Certainly not rich white lawmaker guy.  That's for sure.

Just another reason to avoid that state and any companies based therein...as if I needed one.  Stupid hicks.

Oh I thought you meant this one.

[Diomedes]

As I was saying, beer is great!!

[Rome]

Aborted fetuses:  Less filling, TASTE GREAT!

[MadMarchHare]

We already have a law on the books saying a fetus is a human being.  If you kill a pregnant woman, no matter how long she's been pregnant, you get nailed with 2 murder counts, not one.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

We already have a law on the books saying a fetus is a human being.  If you kill a pregnant woman, no matter how long she's been pregnant, you get nailed with 2 murder counts, not one.

Not at all.  Depends on the state.

Fetal Homicide Laws - What You Need to Know
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Discover the history, facts and arguments for fetal homicide laws.
Issue:

      Fetal Homicide Laws: Do fetal homicide laws limit mothers' rights? Are they just an agenda by the pro-life movement to end abortion? Or are they laws to support the fetus of a woman who hoped to carry the baby to full term?

History/Facts:

      Historically, a fetus was not recognized as a legal entity separate from the pregnant woman. In fact, abortion was generally not illegal until the latter half of the 1800s, when many states enacted laws criminalizing the procedure.

      Many states have recently enacted fetal homicide laws, which create a separate crime for actions taken against a woman that result in the death of - or harm to - her fetus. These laws treat the fetus as an individual, apart from the woman. Some of these laws do not contain exceptions for the woman or her doctor, which could possibly allow criminal proceedings for measures taken as a course of treatment (radiation treatment for cancer or antibiotics) or for abortion.

      On the federal level, in 1999 the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (which does contain exceptions for the woman, her doctor, and abortion) was proposed and passed the House of Representatives.

      These states have fetal homicide laws where fetuses are victims at any stage of development:

          o AZ
          o ID
          o IL
          o LA
          o MI
          o MN
          o MO
          o ND
          o NE
          o ND
          o OH
          o PA
          o SD
          o UT
          o WI

      These states have fetal homicide laws where fetuses are victims at only specific stages in development:

          o AR
          o CA
          o FL
          o GA
          o MA
          o MS
          o NV
          o OK
          o RI
          o SC
          o TN
          o WA

      The following states criminalize certain conduct that terminates pregnancies or causes miscarriages:

          o IA
          o IN
          o KS
          o NC
          o NH
          o NM
          o VA

Argument For Fetal Homicide Laws:

      Fetal homicide laws have been described as supporting and protecting women who decide to carry their babies to term. Those supporting these acts, most often pro-life advocates, say that both the lives of the pregnant woman and the fetus should be explicitly protected. They declare that fetal homicide laws justly criminalize cases and provide the opportunity to protect unborn children and their mothers. Some pro-lifers hope fetal homicide laws will establish a precedent that fetuses are human beings, thereby fueling efforts to reverse the U.S. Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion.

Argument Against Fetal Homicide Laws:

      Those against fetal homicide laws fear that laws to protect a fetus could infringe on a woman's right to choose an abortion. Pro-choice leaders say these laws grant a fetus legal status distinct from the pregnant woman - possibly creating an adversarial relationship between a woman and her baby. Those against these laws are also concerned as to whether they could be interpreted to apply to a woman's behavior during her pregnancy, such as smoking, drinking or using illegal drugs. Instead, they prefer to criminalize an assault on a pregnant woman and recognize her as the only victim.

Current Status:

      The most recent case involving fetal homicide laws is that of the Laci Peterson homicide. Her husband, Scott Peterson was convicted in November, 2004 by a California jury. Peterson could get the death penalty for the count of first-degree murder for killing his wife and the count of second-degree murder for killing their unborn child. Lacy Peterson was in her 8th month of pregnancy when she disappeared. Under California law, murder charges can result if the fetus is older than seven weeks. To convict Peterson of murdering his unborn son, prosecutors had to prove that he intended to kill the fetus or knew that it would die as a result of his wife's death.

      There has been debate on both sides of this issue. "If this is murder, well, then any time a late-term fetus is aborted, they could call it murder," Morris County NOW President Mavra Stark told reporters. Marie Tasy, public and legislative affairs director for New Jersey Right To Life, counters that a double-murder charge against Scott Peterson is appropriate.

Food for Thought:

    * If a woman can choose to have a late-term abortion, should the father have the same right to kill the baby before it is born?
    * If a woman is scheduled to get an abortion, but the baby is killed in-utero by an outside person the day before that abortion, should that person be charged with murder?

[PhillyGirl]

Bottom line is this...and I will make one post to this thread.

No matter what the law is, abortions will continue to happen. Only now, as mentioned already, it will be done by some backalley hack looking to make a quick buck.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

We should also put into perspective that this is South Dakota.  If you live in South Dakota, you pretty much deserve all the bullshtein that you have to deal with from hick-ass lawmakers.  Right?

[MadMarchHare]

If it looks like Afghanistan, and it smells like Afghanistan.....