Fascist Kooks Outlaw Abortion In South Dakota

[rjs246]

A child isn't a child until its born, in my humble opinion. The last thing this world needs is unwanted babies. There are enough shteinheaded humans running around already.

[phillymic2000]

Personally, I think using abortion as a convenient method of contraception is sickening and should be discouraged whenever possible.

However, it's not up to me.  The woman carries the child so if she wants to get rid of it at an early stage, then that's her decision and that's the end of it.

Politicians poking their noses into the reproductive lives of citizens they serve is blatant fascism.  Basing laws on religious ideals borders on the medieval and if the good people of South Dakota think that abortions are going to cease in their state because politicians have banned them, well... they've got another thing coming. 

Abortions will continue in South Dakota.  They'll continue because women get pregnant and have to deal with unwanted pregnancies.  That's the bottom line here.  Most don't have the money to travel to neighboring states to have them done, so unlicensed and often unqualified butchers will do them.

How delightful.

Well to some people that baby is alive from conception, and  abortion is considered murdering an innocent life. Like I said I have a real struggle dealing with the rape thing, but to me to get rid of a "unwanted pregnacy" by abortion is wrong. This society takes no responsibility for it's actions at times and this is a prime example to me.

[phillymic2000]

A child isn't a child until its born, in my humble opinion. The last thing this world needs is unwanted babies. There are enough shteinheaded humans running around already.

Wow, have you ever felt a pregnant womens stomach when the non life form kicks, or seen an ultrasound of a baby moving around? You might have a different opinion after that.

[rjs246]

Allowing a child of rape/incest to be born without legal medical action being available to the mother is a prime example of this society not taking responsibility for its actions. Get a grip.

[phillymic2000]

Allowing a child of rape/incest to be born without legal medical action being available to the mother is a prime example of this society not taking responsibility for its actions. Get a grip.

Hello, I have an issue with that, I've said it from the start.

[Rome]

Outlawing a medical procedure will not stop the procedure from being done.  Why do people refuse to accept that simple fact?

I just don't understand it.


Women will continue to terminate pregnancies.  That's just the way it is, folks.  Criminalizing their actions will only make a bad situation worse.

[phillymic2000]

Outlawing a medical procedure will not stop the procedure from being done.  Why do people refuse to accept that simple fact?

I just don't understand it.


Women will continue to terminate pregnancies.  That's just the way it is, folks.  Criminalizing their actions will only make a bad situation worse.

Well then we should just take murder or any other crime off the books then since they will always be done by someone, sounds good.

[Rome]

Abortion is not murder.  Murder involved the intentional killing of one human being by another human being.

A fetus is not classified as a human being.  Well, it isn't in 49 out of 50 states, anyway.

[Geowhizzer]

A child isn't a child until its born, in my humble opinion. The last thing this world needs is unwanted babies. There are enough shteinheaded humans running around already.

RJS,

Our society has given us mixed messages on that.  Part of the reasoning given for abortion-on-demand is that the fetus is not a human, and has no rights.  Yet, in some instances, society acts when a crime is perpetrated on an unborn child.

Example:  Man Charged with Murder in Fetus Death

Excerpt: 

(Sylvania, OH) --- A Springfield Township woman survives in what police call a vicious attack by her ex-boyfriend, but the apparent target - her unborn baby - is killed.

Now the suspect faces a murder charge for the death of the 10-week-old fetus.

[phillymic2000]

Abortion is not murder.  Murder involved the intentional killing of one human being by another human being.

A fetus is not classified as a human being.  Well, it isn't in 49 out of 50 states, anyway.

So a state says it is not a human being and they are right, but one state says something different and they are "Fascist Kooks"

[rjs246]

Hello, I have an issue with that, I've said it from the start.

RJS,

Our society has given us mixed messages on that...

Fair points. And I will even listen to the argument that a fetus is 'human' once it would be able to survive outside the womb. But I find it far more irresponsible for people who are unprepared to raise a child to be forced to do so (more than likely ruining their lives and giving their child almost no chance at a productive life) than I find it to provide them with the means, however unpleasant, to correct a mistake that would otherwise negatively impact everyone involved.

Do I like the idea of abortion as birth control? No. Do I think it's possible to stop stupid/irresponsible/drunk/teenaged people from having sex? No. Do I want those people to have children that they don't want? No.

You can't dictate morals to people so this argument will never get anywhere, but to me it is the lesser of two evils.

[phillymic2000]

Bottom line is that some people believe a fetus is a human being, some don't. there is some gray area with the rape and incest, but overall both sides will continue to fight this forever.

[Rome]

Laws delineating precisely when a fetus becomes a child would go a long way towards defining what is acceptable and what is not in terms of abortion.

Personally, in my own mind, a fetus becomes a child when it is capable of sustaining life on its own outside the womb.  If it's nothing more than fertilized cells, it's not a child.

Minds far more wise and knowledgeable than mine would have to determine that, though.

[rjs246]

Minds far more wise and knowledgeable than mine...

Preposterous!

[Geowhizzer]

Abortion is not murder.  Murder involved the intentional killing of one human being by another human being.

A fetus is not classified as a human being.  Well, it isn't in 49 out of 50 states, anyway.

Rome, even taking religious arguments out of it, our judicial history gives us mixed messages about whether killing a fetus is murder.

And who gets to decide the "classification" of a fetus?