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ice grillin you · February 21, 2006, 08:19:47 PM

Maybe players from years past deserve to be compensated in hindsight

"especially in their pension"

people making a minimum of several hundreds of thousands and at the most several tens of millions, need MORE money after they retire you must assume they're even bigger idiots than I do. They know what they're getting into. They know the toll it will take on their body and they are compensated accordingly

tell that to the players who cant lift their kids up much less get out of bed many days because of degenerated knees arthritic shoulders and/or malfunctioning vertabrae

there is ungodly sums of money being thrown around the nfl...espn dropped over a billion (with a B) on monday nite football alone...i think a few extra % pts of the league revenue could go towards players and we would all still wake up tomorrow

ice grillin you · February 21, 2006, 08:23:20 PM

today's football player is going to retire much healthier than he would have even just 20 years ago

negative on that chief...medical advancements actually hurt the players in the long run...it keeps them in the game longer...now you have cats getting 10 knee surgeries to keep a career going that back in the day would have ended far earlier...see mark schlereth....dook has trouble getting out of bed everyday

people are caking off hard in the league...id rather see the players get it than the slave driving fat cat owners

rjs246 · February 21, 2006, 08:30:54 PM

If you're simply trying to choose the lesser of two evils, then fine. But if these massively overpaid athletes don't want to have creaky bodies they should go to class, get a real education and get a job like the rest of us. If they want to be millionaires and retire when they're 35, they can suck it up and play football. Life sure is rough for them.

ice grillin you · February 21, 2006, 08:34:20 PM

Life sure is rough for them

many times it is...far rougher than you or i will ever experience

rjs246 · February 21, 2006, 08:37:37 PM

Providing for your family for generations to come, being in peak physical shape for decades longer than most people, the talent and opportunity to play a game for a living and to retire long before old age and infirmity take their minds. All of those things are far more important than physical pain and most people would gladly trade pain for the sake of their family.

PhillyPhanInDC · February 21, 2006, 08:53:16 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 21, 2006, 08:34:20 PM
Life sure is rough for them

many times it is...far rougher than you or i will ever experience

Dumbest thing I've read on this board. Tell what you just said to your average roofer, coal miner, or auto mechanic. An NFL player's life is rougher than we will ever experience? Not only are a lot of these guys making more money in a four year span then some (most) of us will make in our entire lives, but up until that point, that have had everything given to them. Including a free ride at the premier schools in the country, and once at said school, they are given more support and guidance than are most of the students paying to go to the school. Once they are in the NFL, they play the game half of the year, and after have mostly free time to pursue whatever it is that they want to do. Go look at what the average NFL players has around his "house". Do they spend the money? Invest it? With even a smaller signing bonus or an average year's salary properly invested, can and should last for years and years.

I will say that the old timers got screwed for the most part. That part is a shame, they are the history of the game, made it what it is today, and they deserve better. But to say this current breed has a rough deal....that's just retarded.

Couldn't find anything more current that '03, but you get the idea:

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The average NFL salary in 2003 was a whopping $1.2 million and the base salary for rookies was around $225,000.

Linkage.

Diomedes · February 21, 2006, 08:54:00 PM

If the owners talked as much as the players do, it would be easier to place the hate where it belongs.

ice grillin you · February 22, 2006, 08:27:53 AM

Tell what you just said to your average roofer, coal miner, or auto mechanic

i wish more money on those professions as well but this thread isnt about roofers coal miners and auto mechanics so why even bring it up...take that thread to the general board and im sure heads would be more than happy to discuss it with you

to me the players and owners should split profits 50/50...but right now the players get far less than the owners even tho they are ten times more important

sallad selgae · February 22, 2006, 08:58:22 AM

I don't see the connection between the amount of money these guys are making and the fact that the game of football is ruinous to the body. Even if Schlereth made ten times the money he would still have the same problems. Does the money make the problems go away? No. The fact is, these guys for the most part love to play this highly violent sport and choose to do so. They get paid very well for it, and have enough time to get a second career after that is all done. I changed careers in my mid thirty's - all is good.

The fat cat's have always been there - Pharoah's, Empirors. Tsars, Nobles, Plantation Owners. It doesn't seem fair, but that's life. I don't think many of them were terribly happy being wealthy, although I haven't spoken to a Pharoah recently.

Also, I do agree that the old timers need to be taken better care of. Dick "Night Train" Lane tried to buy a $70,000 house next to my friend's in Austin several years back - couldn't afford it. My friend met Night Train - said he was a really funny guy.

ice grillin you · February 22, 2006, 09:10:00 AM

and the fat cats will still be there...they should just give up a little more to the many players who only ever play special teams and play for three four five years that cant afford houses either...and get farged up playing...nfl players have a salary cap AND non guaranteed contracts...only sport that can say that...they deserve more...period

i laugh when i here the lower tier owners complaining about revenue sharing and that they need more of it...how about share some more revenue with the heart and soul of your league rather than a fellow billionaire owner...its ridiculous

I don't see the connection between the amount of money these guys are making and the fact that the game of football is ruinous to the body

you dont think an occupation that has serious long term health effects should be compensated more...designated hitters have a better pension plan than running backs and thats not right

Wingspan · February 22, 2006, 09:57:29 AM

all rookies go through a symposium when signed or drafted warning them of the risks they are taking.

they all get compensated very fairly. and some get obsenely compensated. to me, it is NOT the nfl resposibility to take care of these people after their playing days are over other than the pension, do you ask for a former employer to take care of you now?

the player chose to go to no classes, or take a major in something retarded like home-ec, or PE. thats their own faults for not taking college seriously. they chose bad managers/agents looking for the big pay day rather than someone who will help protect them.

they know that artificially extending their careers for just a few million more could lead to permanent damage...and then they want someone to feel sorry for them? not me.

even if a rookie only makes it 3 seasons in the nfl. they still have the money made to finish their education and do something with their lives. it is not my fault that these people have no other plans, nothing to fall back on, it's their own damn fault for just assuming that the nfl will just be there for them.

ice grillin you · February 22, 2006, 10:03:24 AM

fair enough...youd rather the owners sitting in heated stadium suites get the majority of the money...i personally feel the people putting their long term health on the line everyday and carrying the league should get more of the pie whether it be in more guaranteed money better or a better pension plan...its not like there isnt gazillions going around to do it....if im the players i dont go near a negotiating table unless im sure i am getting a higher % of the pie

Rome · February 22, 2006, 10:12:49 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 22, 2006, 10:03:24 AM
fair enough...youd rather the owners sitting in heated stadium suites get the majority of the money...i personally feel the people putting their long term health on the line everyday and carrying the league should get more of the pie whether it be in more guaranteed money better or a better pension plan...its not like there isnt gazillions going around to do it....if im the players i dont near a negotiating table unless im sure i am getting a higher % of the pie

Wingspan · February 22, 2006, 10:49:52 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 22, 2006, 10:03:24 AM
fair enough...youd rather the owners sitting in heated stadium suites get the majority of the money...i personally feel the people putting their long term health on the line everyday and carrying the league should get more of the pie whether it be in more guaranteed money better or a better pension plan...its not like there isnt gazillions going around to do it....if im the players i dont near a negotiating table unless im sure i am getting a higher % of the pie

i don't shed a tear for the players or the owners.

MadMarchHare · February 22, 2006, 10:59:38 AM

Look at Troy Vincent and Darwin Walker. They play, make good money, and have a plan for the future.

Hell, even Trotter, about as dumb as they come, has a car wash and other things to do after his career's over. They know the risks, and should plan for them. I pay into Social Security, knowing I'll never see any of that money. I just hope I can save enough ON MY OWN to retire. No one's looking out for me but me.