Franchise Tag prices (Runyan discussion)

[ice grillin you]

The cash of the franchise tag is good, but is he still bitter about being asked to take a pay cut when the team had over $15M in cap room?

as mind boggling as it was for the birds to do that...i honestly dont know how they pulled it off with a straight face...you can only blame runyan for agreeing to it...i woulda bit banner in his face as he was asking me

[Rome]

Well, even if he wouldn't mind the franchise tag and/or a 1-year deal (which I still doubt a lot), it would still be wise for the Eagles to push off some of the cap hit of that $7m to future years, due to the status of the CBA.

The franchise tag really makes no sense here any way you look at it.

It certainly does make sense.

Look, Andrews isn't ready to take over at RT yet.  Runyan would clearly be a better fit right there and unless the Eagles can sign someone in free agency who's capable of playing at that level or drafting someone who can step right in and take over, then giving Runyan a whopper of a one-year deal makes perfect sense.

Again, whether or not he stays depends on what the Eagles do in free agency & the draft.  If another team comes along and blows them out of the water in terms of signing bonus or whatever, then so be it.

Clearly, the Eagles aren't going to sign him long-term.  It's just not going to happen.  But offering him franchise money for one year if no one else offers him a huge multi-year deal makes the best sense.

One thing though:  If I were Joe Banner, I'd talk to Runyan and his agent to make sure that franchising him would be welcomed.  If not, all hell could break lose.  Again.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I never said offering him "franchise-type" money was a bad idea.  Using the tag is a bad idea, though.

You people just don't learn anything from history.  This front office does NOT play well with the tag.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Well, just because it didn't work for Trotter and Simon doesn't mean that it wouldn't work in this instance. In my opinion it is a case by case basis. Simon and Trotter were younger guys who were looking for that post-rookie contract fatass payday.

Runyan is a seasoned vet who has had a $30M contract already.

[Diomedes]

Look, Andrews isn't ready to take over at RT yet. ...

I think he's a guard for life.  His body isn't tackle material.  If he would just develop into dominant guard, that would be fantastic.  The idea that he'll "grow" into the RT position scares me.  I don't want a squat fatso with short arms lining up against 6'4" 283 lb. glorified OLBs lining up at DE.  That's a recipe for failure, imho.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Well, just because it didn't work for Trotter and Simon doesn't mean that it wouldn't work in this instance. In my opinion it is a case by case basis. Simon and Trotter were younger guys who were looking for that post-rookie contract fatass payday.

Runyan is a seasoned vet who has had a $30M contract already.

Let me itemize this, so all of you pro-franchise tag idiots people can understand it.  One of the following things will happen with Runyan and the Eagles before the 2006 season:

1.  The Eagles have no interest in keeping him at all, no matter what. (obviously no tag needed)
2.  The Eagles wouldn't mind keeping him, but only if he doesn't get a big offer elsewhere. (obviously no tag needed)
3.  The Eagles want to keep Runyan.  Runyan wants to be an Eagle.  The two sides work out an appropriate deal, whether it be a 1-year deal or longer.  (obviously no tag needed)
3a.  The Eagles want to keep Runyan.  Runyan wants to be an Eagle.  The two sides cannot work out an appropriate deal, but Runyan is content to be tagged while a deal is worked out.  (This is so unlikely that it's silly, but it has to be what Phreak, MURP, and romey are thinking for some unknown reason.  If Runyan's ok with playing on a one-year deal, then they'd just sign him to a one-year deal.  That said, this is the ONLY scenario in which the tag might make sense, even if the scenario itself makes no sense.)
4.  Runyan wants to get the most money possible for his "last" contract and play the market.  The Eagles are interested in retaining him, but don't want to get in a bidding war.  (This is where the tag comes into play.  And there's no WAY Runyan would be happy about getting tagged in this situation, so it's a really bad idea.)

Those are the possible scenarios.  The tag doesn't work for any of them except 3a.

[Diomedes]

I'll take what's behind door number 3a, please!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I'll take what's behind door number 3a, please!

And I'll ride the rainbow mobile powered by liquid bat urine to the nuthouse based on Mars.

[PhillyPhreak54]

So let him walk and then rejoice as the OL is shaky as hell.

Placing the tag on him would buy time to get a new deal hammered out. And if one is not done then he gets the guaranteed $6.983M bucks. Obviously that would only need to be done ifthey don't reach a deal by March 3rd. But if there is no deal done by then you have to tag him to keep his rights. You cannot just let him walk away. Period. If his feelings are hurt...tough shtein. Go complain to the NFLPA like every other guy who gets the tag. But I doubt Runyan goes that cry-baby route like some have gone.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

But I doubt Runyan goes that cry-baby route like some have gone.

This, right here, is your problem.  He is a WIP regular and host.  He is on the record as saying he wants one last decent contract.  He is a big, obnoxious, ugly man.  He took a pay cut as the team requested last year.

What part of the equation could possibly lead you to believe he wouldn't be privately and/or publicly upset about getting tagged?

[Rome]

I agree, Phreak. 

FF is just being hard-headed on this one.

:whistle:

[SunMo]

:whistle:

you need to be punished.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

FF is just being hard-headed on this one.

Your wife tells me you can't get hard-headed anymore without medication.  ZING!

[ice grillin you]

Well, just because it didn't work for Trotter and Simon doesn't mean that it wouldn't work in this instance. In my opinion it is a case by case basis. Simon and Trotter were younger guys who were looking for that post-rookie contract fatass payday.

Runyan is a seasoned vet who has had a $30M contract already.

NO ONE ever wants to be franchised...i dont care what age they are...it limits how much money you can make...period...if runyan didnt care about getting franchised then there would be no reason to franchise him in the first place...him and the eagles would just get together pre free agency and work out their own deal

i agree keeping him is advisable but not at the expense of franchising him

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

^^^ listen to this man ^^^