Phillies offseason cont...

SunMo · February 15, 2006, 05:33:52 PM

Take it easy, Champ. Why don't you stop talking for a while. Maybe sit the next couple plays out.

Sgt PSN · February 15, 2006, 05:33:57 PM

Quote from: trottisgodd on February 15, 2006, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 15, 2006, 05:30:03 PM
Just stop, dude.
Just trying to be relevant sir. Sorry.

rjs is a ma'am. Get with the program rook.

rjs246 · February 15, 2006, 06:40:50 PM

Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 15, 2006, 05:33:57 PM
Quote from: trottisgodd on February 15, 2006, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 15, 2006, 05:30:03 PM
Just stop, dude.
Just trying to be relevant sir. Sorry.

rjs is a ma'am. Get with the program rook.

Wow. Weak efforts all around today.

Philly_Crew · February 16, 2006, 07:42:26 AM

Quote from: trottisgodd on February 15, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
The starting outfield had the following numbers last year (averaged per guy) I think these numbers stand up pretty well league wide. How about you guys and gals?

AB Runs AVG Hits 2b 3B HR RBI SB BB SO
576 86 .279 161 31 2 23 96 16 82 137

The SO's are high, but everything else is really strong.

Starting outfield is fine. 3B and pitching are the concerns.

Geowhizzer · February 16, 2006, 08:14:44 AM

The lineup still has way to many strikeouts for my taste:

Pat Burrell: 160
Bobby Abreu: 134
Chase Utley: 109
Ryan Howard: 100 (in 312 Abs!)
Jimmy Rollins: 71 (too many for a leadoff guy)

This makes the Phils' lineup too inconsistent, IMO.

PhillyPhreak54 · February 16, 2006, 08:34:45 AM

Quote from: Philly_Crew on February 16, 2006, 07:42:26 AM
Quote from: trottisgodd on February 15, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
The starting outfield had the following numbers last year (averaged per guy) I think these numbers stand up pretty well league wide. How about you guys and gals?

AB Runs AVG Hits 2b 3B HR RBI SB BB SO
576 86 .279 161 31 2 23 96 16 82 137

The SO's are high, but everything else is really strong.

Starting outfield is fine. 3B and pitching are the concerns.

And catcher. Don't forget catcher for chrissakes!

Speaking of catchers....read in the paper that Lieby is engaged. Wonder if that has something to do with NJ entering the same-sex marriage world?

Philly_Crew · February 16, 2006, 09:01:14 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 16, 2006, 08:34:45 AM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on February 16, 2006, 07:42:26 AM
Quote from: trottisgodd on February 15, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
The starting outfield had the following numbers last year (averaged per guy) I think these numbers stand up pretty well league wide. How about you guys and gals?

AB Runs AVG Hits 2b 3B HR RBI SB BB SO
576 86 .279 161 31 2 23 96 16 82 137

The SO's are high, but everything else is really strong.

Starting outfield is fine. 3B and pitching are the concerns.

And catcher. Don't forget catcher for chrissakes!

Speaking of catchers....read in the paper that Lieby is engaged. Wonder if that has something to do with NJ entering the same-sex marriage world?

No doubt Lieby is overpaid, but he is still an average catcher. I don't think he is going to save the Phillies but I don't think he will drag them down either.

SunMo · February 16, 2006, 09:03:48 AM

he absolutely drags them down, he is part of the black hole that is 7,8,9 of the order

Sgt PSN · February 16, 2006, 09:12:17 AM

7,8,9 is pretty much the black hole of just about any NL lineup.

SunMo · February 16, 2006, 09:14:07 AM

not necessarily

Rome · February 16, 2006, 09:16:46 AM

I still think Sassy should take his iPod back.

Sgt PSN · February 16, 2006, 09:17:16 AM

How do you figure?

Wingspan · February 16, 2006, 09:25:32 AM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 09:14:07 AM
not necessarily

care to point out any NL team where the 7-8-9 guys hit better than the other 6?

SunMo · February 16, 2006, 09:27:05 AM

no, i just know that David Bell and Mike Lieberthal are absolutely awful when they come up with men on base, you know the inning is over.

Wingspan · February 16, 2006, 09:43:41 AM

well then thats just speculation

here are some stats on the phils lineup for the 05 season. (all stats in NL only)

Tied for second in the NL in overall batting @ .270 (Marlins #1)
2nd in runs scored (Reds #1)
Tied for 3rd in runs (cubs 2, marlins 1)
2nd in RBIs (reds 1)
1st in OPB
2nd in the NL in batting with runners in scoring position .278
3rd in batting (.271) in innings 1-6
3rd in batting (.268) in innings 7+ (1st place is .269)

leiberthal hit .267 with RISP and 2 outs. then .280 with runners on base, .250 with bases empty. and he hit .295 with runners on base with 2 outs.

leiberthal pre all star break .231
leiberthal post all star break .304

leiberthal and bell should NOT be lumped together. Bell was atrocious last season, but leiberthal was not.

i am not saying leiberthal and bell are all stars by any means, but as 7-8 hitters, they arent as big of liabilities as some would lke to you beleive.