I just threw up in my mouth a little.

[Tomahawk]

I don't plan to be a fleshpop to him.  He can thank Sassy for my tolerance of the recruiters.  All the same, if he calls again after being told, I'll be chewing his boss a new icehole, loco civilian style.

She's 25 with a BA from NYU and about to finish nursing school.  He got her name somewhere other than high school.

Incidentally, that's pretty farged up, preying on impoverished high school kids.  Offering them "money for school," which actually amounts to dick all, and then sending them off to die in zesty needless wars.

Whatever.  Farg em all.

Fleshpop - did you come up with that, or is it a new filter. Either way; it's motherfarging hilarious.

Edit-It was too damn funny to even read the post directly after it. farging fleshpop. Ha.

[Sgt PSN]

I heard from this old drunk I met at a bar the other night that there are nuclear warheads in Texas and they're all programmed to fire at my wang the next time three cuban children play jump rope. I think we'd better bomb the hell out of Texas, just in case he's right.

I kind of went the opposite route on that one and told 3 cuban kids to start jumping rope.  OFF WITH YOUR WANG!!

[MadMarchHare]

As RJS said, there weren't any.  Argue hyperbole all you want.\
Without broad UN support, it was an unjust war.  And our soldiers are getting slowly massacred for it.  And damn few people in this country seem to give a shtein.  And that bugs the hell out of me.  You got fools like crackhead happy to let his kids jump in harm's way so rich guys can get richer.  You'd stop 'em from jumping into traffic, how's this different?

[stillupfront]

As RJS said, there weren't any.  Argue hyperbole all you want.\
Without broad UN support, it was an unjust war.  And our soldiers are getting slowly massacred for it.  And damn few people in this country seem to give a shtein.  And that bugs the hell out of me.  You got fools like crackhead happy to let his kids jump in harm's way so rich guys can get richer.  You'd stop 'em from jumping into traffic, how's this different?

The UN is fully emasculated. We should kick them out of NYC. So you are the regulator of morality MMH? You're awfully full of your own self importance. I happen to think it is a just war.

[Sgt PSN]

The war in Iraq is unjust at this point.  Going into Afghanistan after 9/11?  Justified.  But what the hell happened to it?  Sure, we went in and dealt a blow to terrorism.  Guess what?  It's not as big of a blow as we think.  Bin Laden hasn't been caught or killed and anyone who thinks that he and Al Queda aren't reorganizing are blind, stupid or both. 

Getting Hussein out of power was a good thing, regardless of the WMD debacle.  Saddam is a nut job and needed to be removed.  Done.  Now get out and let the Iraqi people rebuild their country the way THEY want it.  Not the way Bush wants it.  Everything going on over there right now is about oil and even I can see that through my red, white and blue sunglasses. 

The people over there are free now so let them build their country just like our founding fathers built this country......ON THEIR OWN.  If they want to build a democracy then that's their choice.  If they want another dictatorship, that's their choice.  NOT OURS.  You know why the founding fathers of this country didn't ask for any outside help when it came to forming our government or writing the Constitution?  Because they didn't farging want any.  And if the French came over and tried to give us a hand in establishing our government we would have shoved the Statue of Liberty up their asses and told them to take it back. 

The Iraqi people are free and they appreciate us getting Saddam out of power.  But they want to run their country and they have every right to do so.  We have absolutely no business what so ever being over there with a military presence and telling them how to live. 

Either get back in Afghanistan and start looking for Bin Laden again or pack everything up and bring the troops back home.  Start using the billions of dollars that would have been spent in Iraq and develope more efficient sources of energy.  That way, we don't need their farging oil. 

[mussa]

well said sarge, i totally agreee with you.

the only reason we are so concerned about elections and rebuilding is because we want the right people in office and the right contracts to help rebuild.  ok when this is finally over with and our politicans are fat with contract money and the country is in the peoples hands who we want it to be in, then what? we leave...a few years go by hopefully harmless, then bam...new leader...or bamm....terrorists keep striking until they succedd.  to me iraq and the middle east is two things.  a place that will always be at war, mainly because of religion and a place of great wealth, with oil resources.  when u mix the two, its dangerous. 

its a dead end...and it sucks the kids, men and women we sent over had to die for that. 

but you'll have the sympathizers, with Bush and Republicans and religious fanatics, who will argue to death that Iraq had plenty of time to get rid of WMD'S.  That the war is not for oil, its for peace and democracy.  the kids now have schools, the women have rights, saddam is out of power, they are free now... yadda yadda yadda.   

[Cerevant]

but you'll have the sympathizers, with Bush and Republicans and religious fanatics...

Aren't those all the same?

[MadMarchHare]

As RJS said, there weren't any.  Argue hyperbole all you want.\
Without broad UN support, it was an unjust war.  And our soldiers are getting slowly massacred for it.  And damn few people in this country seem to give a shtein.  And that bugs the hell out of me.  You got fools like crackhead happy to let his kids jump in harm's way so rich guys can get richer.  You'd stop 'em from jumping into traffic, how's this different?

The UN is fully emasculated. We should kick them out of NYC. So you are the regulator of morality MMH? You're awfully full of your own self importance. I happen to think it is a just war.

Yeah, I'm sure that's what Hitler said about the League of Nations.  I'm hardly the regulator of morality, and I don't remember being asked if we should invade Iraq, so the gov't doesn't seem to think I am either.

As to my self-importance?  That's farging hilarious coming from a fundamentalist asshat like you.

And I agree with you to a point, Sarge.  Except I believe that you don't just go in and remove a leader, no matter how bad they are, just because you feel like it.  That's in violation of international law, as most of our "allies" agreed.  And if you decide you are going to do that, then you have to be consistent.  Plenty of homicidal leaders out there, who's countries don't reside on oil fields, that we allow to stay in power indefinitely.  So calling this "policy" is bullshtein.

[phillymic2000]

Sure. Too bad the government made up a story about WMDs in the first place to justify the war.

Made up the story? Tell that to the thousands of Kurds Saddam Wiped out with Chemical weapons.

[phillymic2000]

The people over there are free now so let them build their country just like our founding fathers built this country......ON THEIR OWN.  If they want to build a democracy then that's their choice.  If they want another dictatorship, that's their choice.  NOT OURS.  You know why the founding fathers of this country didn't ask for any outside help when it came to forming our government or writing the Constitution?  Because they didn't farging want any.  And if the French came over and tried to give us a hand in establishing our government we would have shoved the Statue of Liberty up their asses and told them to take it back. 

The Iraqi people are free and they appreciate us getting Saddam out of power.  But they want to run their country and they have every right to do so.  We have absolutely no business what so ever being over there with a military presence and telling them how to live. 

Either get back in Afghanistan and start looking for Bin Laden again or pack everything up and bring the troops back home.  Start using the billions of dollars that would have been spent in Iraq and develope more efficient sources of energy.  That way, we don't need their farging oil. 

I agree we needto leave the country to the Iraq people, but to leave now is not smart. We (USA) did not have major Terrorist groups blowing our civilians up while we were forming our government. If we were to leave now, it would destroy any hope of Iraq becoming a free standing nation, and would hurt us/our troops much more in the long run. All it would do is show the terrorist, and the nations that back them, that just like in the recent past when we get hit we run away. We need to finish the job that has been started, train their troops, police etc... and get out.

[Wingspan]

We (USA) did not have major Terrorist groups blowing our civilians up while we were forming our government.

sure we did, we call them native americans now.

[phillymic2000]

And I agree with you to a point, Sarge.  Except I believe that you don't just go in and remove a leader, no matter how bad they are, just because you feel like it.  That's in violation of international law, as most of our "allies" agreed.  And if you decide you are going to do that, then you have to be consistent.  Plenty of homicidal leaders out there, who's countries don't reside on oil fields, that we allow to stay in power indefinitely.  So calling this "policy" is bullshtein.

Saddam violated around 14 or so UN sanctions, or whatever the correct word for it is, and the UN did NOTHING, except get in bed with him on the Oil for food program. He paid palestinian bombers families 20 thousand dollars after they killed themselves, he slaughtered many more innocent Iraq civilians then this war ever will. I am not 100% behind the president on this war, but give me a break acting like this guy was some innocent leader, that the big old US came over and picked on, people seem to forget all the violations, and documented WMD he had, and had used in the past. IMO this administration wanted a Democracy in the middle east, Iraq with it's Documented WMD program and UN Violations out the icehole was the target they chose. I don't think it will end there, if they can get Iraq and Afganistan under control, look who sits right between the two, next up Iran.

[phillymic2000]

sure we did, we call them native americans now.

I don't remember hearing about bands of Native Americans terrorizing the people of Philadelphia and other cities.

[Sgt PSN]

We (USA) did not have major Terrorist groups blowing our civilians up while we were forming our government.

Terrorism is always a matter of perception.  When we (USA) broke off from England, we were the terrorists (if you look at it from English perspective).  England went to war with us......and lost.  We established our own form of government. 

The Iraqi people need to do the same thing.  They need to have their own revolution if they want to take control of their country.  This is a war that, imo, we cannot win.  Not because we aren't smart enough or strong enough but because the people we are fighting over there completely lack the ability to think rationally.  It's all about religion and holy land over there and there is no reasoning with them. 

They will die and die gladly for their cause.  And when one of them blows himself up as a suicide bomber, there are  more brainwashed fanatics ready to step up and take his place. 

It's not our war to fight.  It's the Iraqi people's war and they're the ones who have to decide if they want to fight and they're the ones who need to actually do the fighting. 

[phillymic2000]

It's not our war to fight.  It's the Iraqi people's war and they're the ones who have to decide if they want to fight and they're the ones who need to actually do the fighting. 

I agree with you that now it is their fight, but don't you think we need to train the army/police force that is assembled. For the past 30 yrs. both the cops and troops over there had one purpose, to do whatever Saddam wanted them to do. And according to the reports we are handing over military actions to the Iraq military more and more. I just think we need to leave them properly trained to take on the terrorists that probably Iran, and Syria are aiding .