HOF finalists announced

QB Eagles · February 05, 2006, 02:22:53 PM

The case for Cunningham will hinge not on his stats but on his effect on the game. He's the prototype of the super athlete type of quarterback who is as deadly on the run as in the pocket. His stats will matter, but I think they work more against him than for him.

Feva · February 05, 2006, 03:51:13 PM

Quote from: mhunt on February 05, 2006, 12:39:15 PM
bruce matthews is next year's lock...i think he made something like 18 consecutive pro bowls.
i think allen will eventually get in but i'm not sure about randall.

I agree on all counts. As much as I'd like to think otherwise... I just don't see Randall with that great of a shot.

Feva · February 05, 2006, 03:54:53 PM

Quote from: Geowhizzer on February 05, 2006, 01:08:30 PM
The case for Cunningham:

5 seasons with over 3,000 passing yards (1988-1990, 1994, 1998)
1988 Maxwell Club MVP
1990 Pro Football Writers Accociation of America MVP
1998 Maxwell Club MVP
1990 NFC Player of the Year- UPI
1992 Comback Player of the Year
#24 all-time in Passing TDs (207)
#27 all-time in Completions (2429)
#28 all-time in Passing Yards (29,979)
35 Rushing TDs
Anecdotal case for Cunningham is that he started the trend towards faster, more mobile QBs becoming the rule rather than the exception, and also being one of the first black QBs to become major stars.

The case against Cunningham:

Only had two more seasons above 2000 passing yards (1987, 1992).
Completed only 56.6% of passes over his career.
Never led league in any major passing statistical categories.
Only 3-6 as starting QB in playoffs (12 TDs/ 9 INT)

I know this list is far from complete (on either side). Feel free to add your stats or tidbits.

Don't forget he's the NFL's all time leading rusher among QB's. (4,928 yds)

Sgt PSN · February 05, 2006, 04:01:58 PM

I sadly think that Randall's induction hopes sailed wide with Gary Anderson's kick in the NFCCG against the Falcons. And while it may not be justified, I think the voters will take into consideration, the fact that Cunningham never made it to the SB when casting their votes.

I, personally think he should be in there. Maybe not first ballot but he should get there none the less. Simply for the fact that he revolutionized the QB position. There had been scrambling QB's before in the league, but never to the same extreme as Randall. He was one of a kind in his day and paved the way for future QB's. Especially black QB's. McNair, McNabb, Culpepper, Vick, Stewart, etc. And whille we've all got our opinions about those guys, all 5 of them have been the starting QB in a Conf Championship game and 2 of them lead their teams to the SB.

Diomedes · February 05, 2006, 10:17:33 PM

I don't think Randall should be in the HoF. He was good. But not among the best ever.

Wingspan · February 06, 2006, 01:53:48 PM

allen has a better shot than cunningham, but DB's overall are scare in the HOF.

there are only 2 DBs that have played in the since 1985 in the HOF (Michael Haynes and Ronnie Lott). and Allen may have been overshadowed by Darrell Green, and Woodson over his career.

and i dont think randall was a HOF player either.

QB Eagles · February 06, 2006, 07:01:32 PM

Quote from: Wingspan on February 06, 2006, 01:53:48 PM
Allen may have been overshadowed by Darrell Green, and Woodson over his career.

Don't forget Deion. I believe both of those players you mentioned will get into the HOF before Allen, if he ever gets in at all. I believe Green will be a first-ballot HOFer in 2008 and Woodson will be a first-ballot HOFer in 2009.

I don't think Randall Cunningham will ever be in the Hall of Fame.

rjs246 · February 07, 2006, 10:26:47 AM

Cunningham wasn't a HOF quarterback. Having said that I would still vote for him if I could. Changed a lot about the quarterback position.

MadMarchHare · February 07, 2006, 10:37:12 AM

Neither Cunningham nor Watters will get in. Allen might.

And Byers should, solely for that slobberknocker hit on Pepper Johnson in 1992(?).

henchmanUK · February 07, 2006, 10:47:27 AM

Harry Carson and Warren Moon don't deserve it, IMO. Don't know enough about Rayfield Wright to make a judgement. Moon has nice numbers, but didn't get to a SB and played in the run-and-shoot, inflating his numbers. I'm not a huge Randall fan, but if Moon makes it and Randall doesn't that's a fargin' joke.

SunMo · February 07, 2006, 10:54:22 AM

why? Moon was a much better quarterback than Randall was.

ice grillin you · February 07, 2006, 10:55:49 AM

marino threw 100 times a game as well and only made one superbowl...should he be out as well

i agree on carson....him getting in is zesty like some toilet paper...randall has no business being anywhere close to the hall of fame and he should get in before stinkin harry carson

henchmanUK · February 07, 2006, 10:59:01 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 07, 2006, 10:55:49 AM
marino threw 100 times a game as well and only made one superbowl...should he be out as well

No, because Marino wasn't the product of a system. They threw a lot with him because he was good and their running game was zesty. The run and shoot had four wideouts all the time, Moon was simply a pilot for it. And, BTW, making one Super Bowl is still one more than Warren Moon made.

henchmanUK · February 07, 2006, 11:00:48 AM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 07, 2006, 10:54:22 AM
why? Moon was a much better quarterback than Randall was.

I don't think either should get there, but Randall deserves it more for revolutionising the position.

Wingspan · February 07, 2006, 12:09:10 PM

Quote from: henchmanUK on February 07, 2006, 10:47:27 AM
Harry Carson and Warren Moon don't deserve it, IMO. Don't know enough about Rayfield Wright to make a judgement. Moon has nice numbers, but didn't get to a SB and played in the run-and-shoot, inflating his numbers. I'm not a huge Randall fan, but if Moon makes it and Randall doesn't that's a fargin' joke.

the one thing about moon, is if you count his CFL days, where he won 5 championships in a row he should be considered. it is the "professional" HOF, not an NFL HOF.

it's not moon's fault no one drafted him