I feel this saying is so appropriate now....

Started by bobbyinlondon, December 06, 2005, 03:26:29 PM

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ice grillin you

i dont think reid is particularly adept at PP but if the choice is btwn him coaching and him gming ill take the front office position every day
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 09:55:32 AM
i dont think reid is particularly adept at PP but if the choice is btwn him coaching and him gming ill take the front office position every day

I know you would.  But that would never happen.  Plus, I think Reid must stay to have a solid shot at righting this ship.  Otherwise, you're talking about blowing up the team completely and starting from scratch, which I think is not the best plan of attack at this point in time.

henchmanUK

Quote from: bobbyinlondon on December 07, 2005, 09:39:00 AM
If you read the Seattle papers, all would not seem as it appears. Yeah, they re-hired Mike Reinfeldt to be the cap guru (Banner's job in Philly), and they hired Bob Ferguson, late of the Cards, as a personnel VP (like Heckert is in Philly); but HOLMGREN STILL CALLS THE SHOTS. HE still has final say over the roster. Basically, the Hawks have won the West the last two years because the Rams have disintegrated and you have the perennial bad Cards and 49ers.

As far as "capable No.2 QBs, exactly WHO was out there? Brad Johnson, but he preferred to go back to the Vikings. I don't think the Eagles would want to give a 6.2M contract to a 37 year old QB (with 1.2M in SB).

Plus, as far as Owens goes, well, it still would have gone to pot no matter who was in charge. Remember, "he wasn't going to be happy unless he got a new contract"? Does anyone think that a different GM in Philly would have given him a new deal 1 year in?

At the end of the day, I am still not a fan of the dual GM/coaching role. Why have the Hawks overtaken the Rams? Possibly because at the same time the Seahawks took power away from Holmgren the Rams gave more power to Martz.
"The drunkenness, the violence, the nihilism: the Eagles should really be an English football team, not an American one." - Financial Times, London

ice grillin you

Otherwise, you're talking about blowing up the team completely and starting from scratch, which I think is not the best plan of attack at this point in time

no youre not...it would be akin to the dungy gruden switch
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

SunMo

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 10:03:04 AM
Otherwise, you're talking about blowing up the team completely and starting from scratch, which I think is not the best plan of attack at this point in time

no youre not...it would be akin to the dungy gruden switch

who's your Gruden?
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Wingspan

Quote from: henchmanUK on December 07, 2005, 10:01:07 AM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on December 07, 2005, 09:39:00 AM
If you read the Seattle papers, all would not seem as it appears. Yeah, they re-hired Mike Reinfeldt to be the cap guru (Banner's job in Philly), and they hired Bob Ferguson, late of the Cards, as a personnel VP (like Heckert is in Philly); but HOLMGREN STILL CALLS THE SHOTS. HE still has final say over the roster. Basically, the Hawks have won the West the last two years because the Rams have disintegrated and you have the perennial bad Cards and 49ers.

As far as "capable No.2 QBs, exactly WHO was out there? Brad Johnson, but he preferred to go back to the Vikings. I don't think the Eagles would want to give a 6.2M contract to a 37 year old QB (with 1.2M in SB).

Plus, as far as Owens goes, well, it still would have gone to pot no matter who was in charge. Remember, "he wasn't going to be happy unless he got a new contract"? Does anyone think that a different GM in Philly would have given him a new deal 1 year in?

At the end of the day, I am still not a fan of the dual GM/coaching role. Why have the Hawks overtaken the Rams? Possibly because at the same time the Seahawks took power away from Holmgren the Rams gave more power to Martz.

but martz was an idiot before that move.
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ice grillin you

im not saying there is a gruden out there...im comparing the situations and saying that you wouldnt be blowing up the team just because you get rid of a bad coach...if anything youre helping the team...as long as you bring in the right guy to replace him

eagles have the talent to win as tampa bay did...they just need a new direction and attitude from the HC spot...not to mention a competant in game tactition
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

henchmanUK

Quote from: Wingspan on December 07, 2005, 10:05:43 AM
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 07, 2005, 10:01:07 AM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on December 07, 2005, 09:39:00 AM
If you read the Seattle papers, all would not seem as it appears. Yeah, they re-hired Mike Reinfeldt to be the cap guru (Banner's job in Philly), and they hired Bob Ferguson, late of the Cards, as a personnel VP (like Heckert is in Philly); but HOLMGREN STILL CALLS THE SHOTS. HE still has final say over the roster. Basically, the Hawks have won the West the last two years because the Rams have disintegrated and you have the perennial bad Cards and 49ers.

As far as "capable No.2 QBs, exactly WHO was out there? Brad Johnson, but he preferred to go back to the Vikings. I don't think the Eagles would want to give a 6.2M contract to a 37 year old QB (with 1.2M in SB).

Plus, as far as Owens goes, well, it still would have gone to pot no matter who was in charge. Remember, "he wasn't going to be happy unless he got a new contract"? Does anyone think that a different GM in Philly would have given him a new deal 1 year in?

At the end of the day, I am still not a fan of the dual GM/coaching role. Why have the Hawks overtaken the Rams? Possibly because at the same time the Seahawks took power away from Holmgren the Rams gave more power to Martz.

but martz was an idiot before that move.

At what? Personnel, coaching or both? I'm not Martz's biggest fan, but he does have a Super Bowl ring as an OC.
"The drunkenness, the violence, the nihilism: the Eagles should really be an English football team, not an American one." - Financial Times, London

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 10:05:51 AM
im not saying there is a gruden out there...im comparing the situations and saying that you wouldnt be blowing up the team just because you get rid of a bad coach...if anything youre helping the team...as long as you bring in the right guy to replace him

eagles have the talent to win as tampa bay did...they just need a new direction and attitude from the HC spot...not to mention a competant in game tactition

If they replaced Reid in the off-season (which you and I both know won't happen), they would not make it to the Super Bowl in 2006.  No way.  No how.  Remember that Gruden went in to fix the Tampa offense, but they kept Monte Kiffin and the defense intact.  Our DEFENSE has been the biggest problem this year.  Even when most/all of the D was healthy, they've been extremely sketchy.  JJ's timing and in-game strategy has been weak at best.

That's why I think JJ should go (along with Brasher).  A new and slightly different scheme and attitude would help the good players we have on defense already, and an influx of a couple of talented guys could bring dominance back to the D.

henchmanUK

Quote from: FFatPatt on December 07, 2005, 10:12:24 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 10:05:51 AM
im not saying there is a gruden out there...im comparing the situations and saying that you wouldnt be blowing up the team just because you get rid of a bad coach...if anything youre helping the team...as long as you bring in the right guy to replace him

eagles have the talent to win as tampa bay did...they just need a new direction and attitude from the HC spot...not to mention a competant in game tactition

If they replaced Reid in the off-season (which you and I both know won't happen), they would not make it to the Super Bowl in 2006.  No way.  No how.  Remember that Gruden went in to fix the Tampa offense, but they kept Monte Kiffin and the defense intact.  Our DEFENSE has been the biggest problem this year.  Even when most/all of the D was healthy, they've been extremely sketchy.  JJ's timing and in-game strategy has been weak at best.

That's why I think JJ should go (along with Brasher).  A new and slightly different scheme and attitude would help the good players we have on defense already, and an influx of a couple of talented guys could bring dominance back to the D.

Have to agree. Our D on third downs has been awful thanks mostly to the play-calling.
"The drunkenness, the violence, the nihilism: the Eagles should really be an English football team, not an American one." - Financial Times, London

PoopyfaceMcGee

I give credit to JJ for not bringing the all-out blitz on 3rd down on the play that resulted in an Engram TD on MNF, but would it kill him to maybe bring 1 extra pass-rusher?  It seems his only options on 3rd down have been to rush 3 or 4 and get no pressure, or to rush 7 or 8 and have no coverage.

The TD's to Glenn on MNF against the Cowboys and to Burress the next week against the Giants were 100% a result of an extremely questionable play call to send the all-out blitz.  Those were game-changing plays.

I'm not saying this team hasn't had other problems and doesn't need anything else in the off-season, but righting the defensive ship with a new scheme and a new attitude is step 1.  The defense has been out of sync all season.

ice grillin you

im not going to even get into the specifics of it all as ive more than stated my position on reid but to even put a little of the blame on jj is nuts...he and his defense have carried andy for the last six years (other than last year)...the talent on defense  is not close to what it was...thats the issue not jj's coaching
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PoopyfaceMcGee

Of all people, you should understand the "what have you done for me lately?" philosophy.

henchmanUK

The thing that pisses me off on D this season is that JJ does great on first and second down to put the D in the position they're in on third down, then loses his stones on third down, therefore resulting in the bad guys moving the chains.
"The drunkenness, the violence, the nihilism: the Eagles should really be an English football team, not an American one." - Financial Times, London

Beermonkey

Quote from: FFatPatt on December 07, 2005, 10:45:17 AM
Of all people, you should understand the "what have you done for me lately?" philosophy.

JJ is the "blue collar" average man's man & is immune to any blame. Reid on the other hand, is the personification of "management", who can be blamed for everything from poor player personnel selection to weak coffee in the press box.