Phillies Offseason Talk

[BigEd76]

Duke had a save against the Phils on the Saturday FOX game when they were out there in June....

Bourn is basically Juan Pierre with a better arm....

[PhillyPhreak54]

I like that idea. Even though I like Bourn, I would like to get Ducshererererer and sign Jacque Jones. I will then hope that Barry Zito can pitch well and not wilt under pressure.

[MDS]

Jones sucks. Were better off with Victorino/Michaels.

[Rome]

Give up Michael Bourn?

Uhhh... wait.  This is from Baseball_America.com...

Best Hitter for Average Michael Bourn
Best Power Hitter Ryan Howard
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Michael Bourn
Fastest Baserunner Michael Bourn
Best Athlete Greg Golson
Best Fastball Eude Brito
Best Curveball Gavin Floyd
Best Slider Zach Segovia
Best Changeup Cole Hamels
Best Control Cole Hamels
Best Defensive Catcher Jason Jaramillo
Best Defensive Infielder Brad Harman
Best Infield Arm Welinson Baez
Best Defensive Outfielder Michael Bourn
Best Outfield Arm Greg Golson


When will the Phillies learn that giving away their best prospects isn't necessarily in the best interests of your franchise?

[MDS]

First off, there have been conflicting reports on the trade. Some say its close, others say its not close to happening. So, lets not think that this thing is a few days away from going down.

One thing I heard from Gammons that was shot down (probably been said here):
Phillies get: Trot Nixon, Brad Penny
Dodgers get: Manny Ramirez
Red Sawx get: Bobby Abreu, JD Drew

Thats the kind of crap going around. Nothing is worth trading. Either we trade Bobby and get shtein in return, or package Bobby with top prospects from a questionable ace. I give up the farm for guys like Dontrelle and Santana, not Zito.

[Eaglez]

I'd do the Zito deal and then hope to sign Jones.

I don't get why they wouldn't offer Urbina arbitration though. I'd rather have him than Looper.

Also, why is that bum Rheal Cormier still in town? Can't we just tell him to get lost?

[MDS]

Cormier has $2 mil coming his way. Theres no sense in cutting an untradeable guaranteed contract like that. You might as well bring him to ST and see what happens.

Urbina is in jail, or awaiting trail. He's a mess. Nobody is signing this guy. Why lock into money with him when could be behind bars come April? I doubt he plays el basebol this year.

Jones has some interesting splits. He was pretty bad in 04 and 05, but most of that was because he was not batting leadoff or 6th. Last year, he was hitting around .270 in the 6 hole. When he hit 4th or 5th (had some significant at bats there), his strikeout numbers soared and his average dipped, an obvious sign him of swinging for the fences. But when 6th, he was a much better hitter. He would not be hitting in the middle of the order here. In fact, his best numbers came out of the leadoff spot, but he hasnt hit there in a few years. And I don't see how you can knock Rollins out of that spot after his September. He has to be a confident cocky douche with all the attention he got for the hitting streak. Just let him ride it and hopefully he picks up where he left off, thought I doubt it cause he has sucked ass in April.

[Geowhizzer]

I'd do the Zito deal and then hope to sign Jones.

I don't get why they wouldn't offer Urbina arbitration though. I'd rather have him than Looper.

Also, why is that bum Rheal Cormier still in town? Can't we just tell him to get lost?

Two words:  attempted murder.

[Sgt PSN]

I heard Gammons say something the other day about the Phils trading for Manny and then sending him off to another team.  He didn't mention any names at the time though so I didn't bother mentioning it since it wasn't really news worthy.  It still isn't news worthy but at least now it's somewhat relevant. 

[MDS]

Miggy Tejeda wants to be traded

Move him or Rollins to 3rd. Break the bank for this guy!

[Sgt PSN]

Miggy Tejeda wants to be traded

Move him or Rollins to 3rd. Break the bank for this guy!

Hells yes. 

[MDS]

Get er done, Gillick.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Give up Michael Bourn?

Uhhh... wait.  This is from Baseball_America.com...

Best Hitter for Average Michael Bourn
Best Power Hitter Ryan Howard
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Michael Bourn
Fastest Baserunner Michael Bourn
Best Athlete Greg Golson
Best Fastball Eude Brito
Best Curveball Gavin Floyd
Best Slider Zach Segovia
Best Changeup Cole Hamels
Best Control Cole Hamels
Best Defensive Catcher Jason Jaramillo
Best Defensive Infielder Brad Harman
Best Infield Arm Welinson Baez
Best Defensive Outfielder Michael Bourn
Best Outfield Arm Greg Golson


When will the Phillies learn that giving away their best prospects isn't necessarily in the best interests of your franchise?

Well, if Bourn was in the Angels or Dodgers system and was recognized that much in the evaluations then it would be good. But in the Phillies barren wasteland of a minor league system its kind of like being the tallest midget in the circus.

I like the dude and I also like Golson and Roberson too. But one thing we used to rip Wade for was the reluctance to give up a prospect or two to get players.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Miggy Tejeda wants to be traded

Move him or Rollins to 3rd. Break the bank for this guy!

I couldn't see JRoll at 3rd, but maybe Tejada.

I think this has no shot of happening. In fact if I had to make odds on where he'd end up my money would be on him going to Beantown to replace Edgar Renteria

[MDS]

True. But we can always dream.

Odds are the Orioles tell him to shut the farg up.