Phillies Offseason Talk

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MDS

#615
November 09, 2005, 10:14:46 AM
yea but its all the time. im not defending phillies managment, but he's whining and blabing gets annoying. i still want him signed. he's very good.
Zero hour, Michael. It's the end of the line. I'm the firstborn. I'm sick of playing second fiddle. I'm always third in line for everything. I'm tired of finishing fourth. Being the fifth wheel. There are six things I'm mad about, and I'm taking over.

SunMo

#616
November 09, 2005, 10:29:10 AM
he is kinda scummy.  he said he would give them a hometown discount and then went back on it.
I'm the Anti-Christ. You got me in a vendetta kind of mood.

PhillyGirl

#617
November 09, 2005, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 10:29:10 AM
he is kinda scummy.  he said he would give them a hometown discount and then went back on it.

He wants 3 years. He's never wavered from that.
"Oh, yeah. They'll still boo. They have to. They're born to boo. Just now, they'll only boo with two Os instead of like four." - Larry Andersen

Wingspan

#618
November 09, 2005, 10:48:08 AM
how can the same people bash and bash brian westbrook's contract negotiations, then come around and not do the same with wagner?

neither were technically anything they said (or are saying)...
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PhillyGirl

#619
November 09, 2005, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 09, 2005, 10:48:08 AM
how can the same people bash and bash brian westbrook's contract negotiations, then come around and not do the same with wagner?

neither were technically anything they said (or are saying)...

Because Westbrook already HAD A 1.43 MILLION DOLLAR ONE YEAR CONTRACT THAT HE SIGNED.

Wagner is free to go where ever he wants.
"Oh, yeah. They'll still boo. They have to. They're born to boo. Just now, they'll only boo with two Os instead of like four." - Larry Andersen

BigEd76

#620
November 09, 2005, 10:51:41 AM
He's trying to hold the Phillies hostage.  Look at the 3 teams he mentioned.  All divisional rivals...

SunMo

#621
November 09, 2005, 10:55:04 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 09, 2005, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 10:29:10 AM
he is kinda scummy.  he said he would give them a hometown discount and then went back on it.

He wants 3 years. He's never wavered from that.

yeah, but the money has gone up from 24 million to now what?  30?
I'm the Anti-Christ. You got me in a vendetta kind of mood.

Wingspan

#622
November 09, 2005, 10:56:02 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 09, 2005, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 09, 2005, 10:48:08 AM
how can the same people bash and bash brian westbrook's contract negotiations, then come around and not do the same with wagner?

neither were technically anything they said (or are saying)...

Because Westbrook already HAD A 1.43 MILLION DOLLAR ONE YEAR CONTRACT THAT HE SIGNED.

Wagner is free to go where ever he wants.

you know he wanted a long term deal before that, and you know that he was pretty much forced into signing that in order to meet a deadline which is slipping my mind.

westbrook and wagner's situation are pretty close to being the same as each other. they both know what they want, and if the philly teams did not, or will not give him what he wants, he knows someone else will.  (westbrook got what he wanted, and wagner will get what he wants).

wagner is not holding the phillies hostage, he simply wants the most he can get, and he isnt stupid, he knows the phillies will not give him what he wants.
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BigEd76

#623
November 09, 2005, 11:00:57 AM
He told the Phils that if they don't give him the 3/$30M that he wants, he's going to walk to a divisional rival.  He knows he has them by the balls because they have no other great solutions for a plan B.  Urbina isn't coming back, Madson isn't a closer, Padilla isn't a closer, there's no one in the farm system, B.J. Ryan is headed to the Yankees or Red Sox, Hoffman wants the same amount and is more injury prone than Wagner, and the best of the rest is fatass Bob Wickman.  How is that not holding them hostage? 

MURP

#624
November 09, 2005, 11:15:30 AM
how can an UFA hold someone hostage?  If the Phillies want him they pony up the money.   If they dont want to give him the money they dont have too.   Its pretty cut and dry. 

PhillyGirl

#625
November 09, 2005, 11:22:07 AM
Quote from: MURP on November 09, 2005, 11:15:30 AM
how can an UFA hold someone hostage?  If the Phillies want him they pony up the money.   If they dont want to give him the money they dont have too.   Its pretty cut and dry. 

what he said.
"Oh, yeah. They'll still boo. They have to. They're born to boo. Just now, they'll only boo with two Os instead of like four." - Larry Andersen

PhillyPhreak54

#626
November 09, 2005, 11:37:48 AM
Just get his ass signed.

No Wagner = no playoffs

stillupfront

#627
November 09, 2005, 11:44:28 AM
PAY THE fargING GUY AND GET IT DONE!!

His remarks about the Mets are BS. They blow. They are no closer to the playoffs than the Phils.


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MDS

#628
November 09, 2005, 11:58:04 AM
he knows the mets suck but they will out bid the phillies for wagner. so, he is simply forcing the phillies to get better and spend more money so he win a championship. his talk gets irratating, but maybe this will work.

urbina would come back if he was the closer. but i think teams are gonna attempt to distance themselves from a guy who was just arrested for attempted murder. yea, that doesnt sound too good.

get gordon as an 8th inning guy. wagner would accept that as his set-up man.
Zero hour, Michael. It's the end of the line. I'm the firstborn. I'm sick of playing second fiddle. I'm always third in line for everything. I'm tired of finishing fourth. Being the fifth wheel. There are six things I'm mad about, and I'm taking over.

Wingspan

#629
November 09, 2005, 12:03:38 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 09, 2005, 11:00:57 AM
He told the Phils that if they don't give him the 3/$30M that he wants, he's going to walk to a divisional rival.  He knows he has them by the balls because they have no other great solutions for a plan B.  Urbina isn't coming back, Madson isn't a closer, Padilla isn't a closer, there's no one in the farm system, B.J. Ryan is headed to the Yankees or Red Sox, Hoffman wants the same amount and is more injury prone than Wagner, and the best of the rest is fatass Bob Wickman.  How is that not holding them hostage? 

because it's not like the phillies offered him the 3/$30 he is asking and then refused to sign it.

they just wont offer it, right or wrong, they won't do it. wagner is free to do whatever...and so are the phillies.
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