Phillies Offseason Talk

[ice grillin you]

ah ha

[Sgt PSN]

per year, so it's actually a difference of about $10M apart ($25M vs $15M)

Ok, well that makes a lot more sense then.  I was thinking it was a total of $2M and that was totally pissing me off. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

OK, if this is really going to happen, who wants to bet Manny misses at least 40-50 games next year?


Go Phils.

[stillupfront]

Yea, we blindly support the team and teabag our idiot coach who has obviously no idea what hes doing

Do you mean Gibbs?

ding ding archie bunker

So you are saying that Gibbs obviously has no idea what he is doing?

[ice grillin you]

edit: phillies thread

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

gibbs>x1000andy

Yeah, but according to you, igy>x100andy.

[Rome]

Leave it to the Phillies to have a deal scuttled because of a few million dollars.

farging putrid organization...

[SunMo]

so we'd downgrade RF defensively, but upgrade it offensively.  sounds like pure PR to me.  can't wait to see how many 13-10 , 12-11  games we lose cuz not only can't we keep the other team from scoring, but even when we have a lead, we can't close out the game.   god help us if the pitching staff gets any sort of injury what so ever.

not really, whether it's manny in left and burrell in right, or manny in right, the preceived defensive downgrade you claim would be slight when compared to the offensive upgrade

[ice grillin you]

i disagree with that...manny is worse than burrell and thats saying something...i dont think people are really comprehending just how bad the outfield would be with manny and burrell playing pinball in the corners all year

i wouldnt trade abreu for any position player outside of a young third baseman...in fact id trade him for a good number 2 pitcher over manny anyday

[SunMo]

manny's bad in the outfield, i'm not denying that, but Bobby isn't much better.  he has a good arm, but Manny was among league leader in assists the past few years.  Manny makes some mind boggling plays in the outfield, but those aren't any worse than Bobby not being able to (or not wanting to) go back on a fly ball.

as for Burrell, he's made himself a serviceable LF, nothing great, but not terrible.  if the CF of this outfeild next year was Michaels or Lofton, i'd not like it, but Rowand's going to be able to make up a lot of ground out there and should help keep the outfield defense from hurting the team beyond the it's offensive output.

[ice grillin you]

manny gets assists because when the ball goes his way second base doesnt exist...the fans even try for third when the ball goes to left field in fenway

as for abreu hes not a gold glover by any means but hes far and away better than manny...it goes something like this

gold glover




abreu









rob deer












manny

[Rome]

I'm in no mood to argue with you today, IGY.

I have more pressing concerns not to mention a heavy heart, so I'll save it for another day.

Needless to say, I disagree with your commentary regarding Manny.  Enjoy your solitary circle jerk.

[SunMo]

manny gets assists because when the ball goes his way second base doesnt exist...the fans even try for third when the ball goes to left field in fenway

as for abreu hes not a gold glover by any means but hes far and away better than manny...it goes something like this

gold glover




abreu









rob deer












manny

no

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

No fly balls stay in CBP anyway.

[SD_Eagle5]

Update from ILK 10 minutes ago:  Clement and Michaels are involved in the deal, and the $2M per year difference of what the Phils want Boston to pay is the main holdup...

If that's the deal than Gillick deserves some credit. Clement was the Padres #1 pitching prospect before coming up. He has good stuff and would look great at the back of the order.

Clement>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ryan Franklin

Abreu has a great arm but his fielding skills have never impressed me. Name me the last time he's hustled for a ball hit to the corner in right?