Phillies Offseason Talk

[PhillyPhreak54]

I think the reason the Phils are dangling him is becuse they know they need pitching and other than Rollins, Howard and Utley Abreu is their best piece to offer in trade. I assume they figure they'll get enough offense without him that they can afford to trade him for pitching.

I am an Abreu fan, but this guy is hated here. I don't get it.

[SunMo]

i don't hate the guy, and if they can't get an ace for him, i don't want to move him.  but he makes a ton of money and puts up great numbers, but he isn't very good in the clutch and seems to play his best ball when there is no pressure on him.  he also doesn't hustle a lot.

[stillupfront]

How Abreu is treated reminds alot of the Schmidt days. None of us realize how great the guy actually is. He looks like he isn't hustling but he really is. There is something to be said for his fluidity of motion which translates into looking like he is jogging. He is worth at least a frontline starter and should be here if we can't land one.

[Wingspan]

I am an Abreu fan, but this guy is hated here. I don't get it.

philly fans have a tendency to be complete morons

[SunMo]

He is worth at least a frontline starter and should be here if we can't land one.

obviously he's not, or they would have traded him by now.  they've tried like crazy to get a pitcher for him all winter and they can't get it done, so obviously he's not worth a frontline starter.

stop with the Schmidt comparisons, Schmidt was the best 3B to play the game.  Abreu is a good RF who has had and will have a nice career.  to compare the two is the very sentiment that brings me to point out the negatives of a nice player.  people think i hate the guy, i don't, i hate the constant overrating he gets.

[stillupfront]

Good point about the Schmidt comparison Sun Mo. What I was inferring is our lack of appreciation of his talent. We didn't fully appreciate number 20 til he retired.

[SunMo]

there's a poster on philliesphans that just posted this...

I'm back. I had to come out of retirement to post this.

This is basically a done deal with some minor issues to iron out. I would anticipate a press conference later this week.

Abreu will be involved.

when i asked about this poster's credibility, i was surprised to find out that this guy has some sort of source in the Phillies and he predicted the Milton and Wagner deals, and usually when he says a player is coming to the Phillies is happens, so take it for what it's worth.

[MURP]

which deal is basically a done deal?  Schmidt?

[SunMo]

ha!  i forgot the trade was in the title of the thread...

Manny to the Phils

[SD_Eagle5]

ha!  i forgot the trade was in the title of the thread...

Manny to the Phils

No shtein?

Was that source 'ilk' Sun?

[MDS]

Yea its him. Who knows if he's pulling this out of his ass. He said his sources went away when Wade was canned, and his last big trade post was in the infamous Nomar to the Phillies thing. But.....I'm still excited nonetheless.

[SD_Eagle5]

Yea its him.

Hmmm...despite the Nomar thing his other stuff has been spot on.

Where's Ed when you need him? 

[SunMo]

ha!  i forgot the trade was in the title of the thread...

Manny to the Phils

No shtein?

Was that source 'ilk' Sun?

indeed

[BigEd76]

hi

Like others said, ILK has been correct about 90% of the time except for the Nomar thing, but he left PP when Wade was fired, saying he had no sources anymore.  Someone over there said that Gillick was at a PAL luncheon, so maybe it was an off-the-record thing that came up...I dunno... 

[MDS]

As good as Manny is at the plate, a defensive outfield of Manny/Rowand/Burrell (out of position) is pretty friggin bad. With that said, it is possible that both Burrell and Abreu are invovled in this deal (and maybe Matt Clement). Don't have enough information to speculate, but I presume Gillick is staying within the budget and would not make any crippling moves to the defense of this team.