2005 Point & Laugh At The taterskins Thread

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Nice post.  You do, however, fail to realize that your team still does not have the goods to reach the playoffs, let alone do any damage there.  Have the Eagles failed to win a Super Bowl thus far?  Sure, but from top to bottom, the organization has a much better chance to do it.

As a Penn State fan, I know how difficult it can be to admit the coach you love and has given you success is old, stubborn, and has let the game pass him by.  You'll get there soon enough, though.

The bottom line from 2004 --> 2005 is that the taterskins did not improve as a team.  The offensive line should be slightly less like swiss cheese, but Samuels is still overrated, and Rabach and Jensen are the only ones that can really get the job done.  Outside of that, the team did not improve as a unit or at any given position.  Instead of choosing to do so, they traded up for a quarterback... one that had no business getting taken in the first round.

Even if you don't want to admit it to yourself and spend the better part of the evening researching statistics to help you believe otherwise, your team sucks and will suck for the foreseeable future.

[archer]

Hey, I wanted to clear up a few things here.  There is a lot of misinformation being spread in this thread:

FACTS:

1.  The taterskins defense gave up less points than the Philly D did last year.  Overall the taterskins AS A TEAM gave up 265 points last year while the Eagles gave up 260.  However, Philly had one TD scored against it because of an int.  Six TDs were scored against the 'Skins while the defense was not on the field (one PR, one KR, one int, and three fumbles).  So, therefore, the Eagles D surrendered 253 pts or 15.8 pts/game, and the 'Skins D only gave up 223 pts (tied with the Steelers for least in the league) or 13.9 pts/game.  Therefore, statistically the taterskins defense was better than the Philly D in EVERY statistical category.

2.  Many people in this thread have attacked 'Skins fans who said that Gregg Williams set Carlos Rogers up to get beat deep.  Well, those of you who said that those fans were being delusional obviously know very little about Gregg Williams.  He was in fact trying to expose Rogers as much as possible.  This is what he has always done and he said he would do it before the game!  I couldn't find a quote from this year but here's one from last year:

taterskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams told us before the Rams game that he wanted rookie safety Sean Taylor to get beat deep a couple of times against the Rams. Say what? But Williams said that Taylor did not have enough respect for the speed of NFL receivers and he wanted the Rams to run by him a couple of times. Williams wanted Taylor to learn this lesson in the preseason instead of on opening day.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7639648

Or how about this from the Carolina game two weeks ago when our entire secondary was held out because of injuries:

The taterskins gave up 28 points to Carolina last week, but Williams said the chance to see young players against the Panthers' first two units was ideal.
    "From an evaluation standpoint, we couldn't have scripted it any better," he said. "I always laugh and shake my head when people try to make an opinion on somebody that plays at the end of preseason games against somebody that won't make an NFL team. You have to play against NFL-type players. We had a chance to move guys up and get them in those situations, and you'll see it again [tonight]."

http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20050819-125544-4629r.htm

In addition, the day BEFORE the Cincy game this thread was started, Don't Trash Carlos Rogers Too Much.  Anyone who has ever actively followed Gregg Williams knows that this is how he brings rookies into the league, we all knew what was going to happen before the game even happened.  So don't be so hostile to the fans that wrote that stuff, they actually know a lot more than you ignorant haters.

3.  The taterskins offense is completely different than last year.  Last year we couldn't move the ball, period.  Our passing game was particularly poor.  This preseason we have the number two passing offense and our two starting recievers are both averaging over 19 yds/catch so that certainly shows improvement.  The entire offense has being completely revamped.  Don't say Gibbs is past it because he has made a lot of changes.  Anyone who is old enough will remember that the thing that really set him apart was his ability to learn and adapt to any situation.  You can't say that a guy who has been away for 12 years has lost it after one season.  Just wait and see what our offense is like this year.

Our running game is also much better.  Against Cincy and Pittsburg (last year's number one run defense in total yards given up - of course WE gave up the least yds/carry thought) we rushed for over 5 yds/carry.  Against Pittsburg we ran for over 100yds in the first half against their first string D.  In the previous two games against you and Miami they gave up 26 yards of rushing in the first halves of those two games combined!  In both of those games the first string D came out before the half thus making it easier to rack up rushing yards too.  Our o-line also gave up a total of ZERO sacks against Carolina and Pittsburg, two of the best pass-rushing teams in football.  Of course, all of this is preseason, I'm just trying to give you a head's up that the offense has changed a great deal, this isn't the same dink and dunk O we had last year.

4.  The taterskins have sold out every game for the last 38 years, the longest streak in the NFL, and they do it with by far the biggest stadium in football.  Your arguments about 'Skins fans make no sense.  If someone supports their team they're a blind homer but then if they sell their tickets they aren't real fans.  Wow, great logic there.

5.  The main problem I have about this thread though is that you all just want to rub it in everyone's faces.  You guys are better, I'll give you that - probably the best team in the NFL.  The 'Skins have been a very poor team for many years, fine.  But still, you're so uncivil and abusive.  Nobody likes a bad winner.  In fact, if you're going to trash us, why don't I trash you.  So here are some facts.  We've won three SBs, how many have you won? 

You may say I'm clinging onto history but I don't think so.  Right now, in the present, you guys can't win despite being rated as the best team in the NFC every year.  What's up with that guys?  You're not even the Buffalo Bills!  At least they MADE it to the SB four times in a row.  Last year you doubled your total of SB appearences.  Face it, you can't win when it's important, can you, and that just makes you the most visable losers in the country.  Every year, everyone in the country points and laughs at you because you always fail on the biggest stage.  Every year, we are the offseason winners WHILE YOU ARE THE POSTSEASON LOSERS!   And yet, you're so proud of yourselves.  Awesome, you guys are $15 million under the cap, good job.  Why don't you stop being so damn cheap and try to actually win sometime!  Being cheap isn't something to be proud of.

In fact, now I understand why you like to point and laugh.  It's because you're so insecure with yourselves.  You can't actually win the big one so instaed you need to laugh at organizations who have to make yourselves feel better about your ultimate failure.

     

[archer]

Nice post.  You do, however, fail to realize that your team still does not have the goods to reach the playoffs, let alone do any damage there.  Have the Eagles failed to win a Super Bowl thus far?  Sure, but from top to bottom, the organization has a much better chance to do it.

As a Penn State fan, I know how difficult it can be to admit the coach you love and has given you success is old, stubborn, and has let the game pass him by.  You'll get there soon enough, though.

The bottom line from 2004 --> 2005 is that the taterskins did not improve as a team.  The offensive line should be slightly less like swiss cheese, but Samuels is still overrated, and Rabach and Jensen are the only ones that can really get the job done.  Outside of that, the team did not improve as a unit or at any given position.  Instead of choosing to do so, they traded up for a quarterback... one that had no business getting taken in the first round.

Even if you don't want to admit it to yourself and spend the better part of the evening researching statistics to help you believe otherwise, your team sucks and will suck for the foreseeable future.

But they DID improve as a team, where do you get off saying they did'nt? The offense is better, you will not be able to stop Portis, we are running plays that fit his slash and cut style, have Betts to get the tough yards. Our recievers caught more passes over 20 yards this preseason, than they did ALL of last season. Are you paying attention, it's not the same offense, maybe not as good as yours but it will still be much improved.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Let me translate:

"I can't believe you spend all this time doing this!  Wow!  You must NEVER get any poosay."

"As a taterskins fan, I feel the need to support you with a hearty thumbs up."

"Although... like I said, you really must not get laid much, and even with all those quotes and resources and the fact that I'm a fellow taterskins fan, I'm still not convinced."

[hkHog]

Nice post.  You do, however, fail to realize that your team still does not have the goods to reach the playoffs, let alone do any damage there.  Have the Eagles failed to win a Super Bowl thus far?  Sure, but from top to bottom, the organization has a much better chance to do it.

As a Penn State fan, I know how difficult it can be to admit the coach you love and has given you success is old, stubborn, and has let the game pass him by.  You'll get there soon enough, though.

The bottom line from 2004 --> 2005 is that the taterskins did not improve as a team.  The offensive line should be slightly less like swiss cheese, but Samuels is still overrated, and Rabach and Jensen are the only ones that can really get the job done.  Outside of that, the team did not improve as a unit or at any given position.  Instead of choosing to do so, they traded up for a quarterback... one that had no business getting taken in the first round.

Even if you don't want to admit it to yourself and spend the better part of the evening researching statistics to help you believe otherwise, your team sucks and will suck for the foreseeable future.

We lost eight games by an average of 2.5 points.  We don't have to be much better to make the playoffs.  I still view Philly as the best team in the NFC and I think you guys have what it takes to win it all this year but I don't see why we can't easily be a wild card this year.  Let's just wait and see what happens.

Sorry, I got a little riled up and cranky in my first post.  Just don't hold the taterskins fans responsable for the actions of Dan Snyder.  A lot of us don't like him either.  Joe Gibbs is trying to undo the damage but he has obviously hurt us a lot with his big spending.  The team will be a lot better this year as now Gibbs has had a year to get the personnel he wants around him.  The D will still be good and the offensive scheme has changed.

[Sgt PSN]

first off that is why we think ramsey makes horrible choices sometimes, that was an INT,even if it wasn't no differense for either team.  It didn't touch the ground, it was bobbled but it was an INT.  taterskins need ramsey to make better decisions or we aren't going no where.  Most fans know that our season is in the hands of Ramsey.  That was an INT and it was a farging dumb pass by ramsey. 

check it out, slow it down, was not an int, should have been challenged:
http://extremeskins.com/CrazyZeb/Week14vsPHI19_RamseyWTF.mpg

Guess what jackass.  The play happened after the 2 minute warning so the coaches couldn't challenge.  If the replay booth felt that it needed to be looked at, they would have buzzed the ref.  Bottom line is that it was an interception, no doubt about it.  Go back to eating paint chips. 

You mean the same refs that blew this call?


http://extremeskins.com/CrazyZeb/Week14vsPHI05_PassInterference.mpg

Bad call by the ref.  How much more crying are you going to do about shtein that happened last year?  I see the point you're getting at though.  The refs obviously have it out for the Skins and will use any opportunity that presents itself to ensure that the Skins don't win. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

But they DID improve as a team, where do you get off saying they did'nt? The offense is better, you will not be able to stop Portis, we are running plays that fit his slash and cut style, have Betts to get the tough yards. Our recievers caught more passes over 20 yards this preseason, than they did ALL of last season. Are you paying attention, it's not the same offense, maybe not as good as yours but it will still be much improved.

Where do I "get off" saying they didn't?  Dude, I just spit beer out my nose.  You're a crack-up.

Portis will all-of-the-sudden be unstoppable, unlike last year when he proved to be more of a system back playing out of his system and behind a garbage-tastic OL.  I see.  That's almost as salient about your confidence in Ladell Betts to "get the tough yards" (personally, I would buy stock in Rock Cartwright instead).

But I guess where the Eagles are really screwed is with your WR's.  After all, it's well-known that the Eagles have one of the worst and least athletic secondaries in all of football... and with the stellar pre-season performances by the likes of Santana Moss, Dave Patten, and James Thrash, it's only going to accentuate how bad Sheppard, Brown, Dawkins, and Lewis really are.  By the way, which top-shelf signal caller will be throwing to those receivers, and does it matter?

I am paying attention.  I didn't say the taterskins had the same offense.  I said they didn't improve.  Keep in mind that Rod Gardner and Lavuerneus Coles both were effective against the Eagles.  Gardner's size created a mismatch with our corners, but that problem is solved now that all your WR's are shrimp.  Coles made plays simply because his route-running and overall WR skills are far better than anyone Washington will bring to the table this year.

[archer]

Let me translate:

"I can't believe you spend all this time doing this!  Wow!  You must NEVER get any poosay."

"As a taterskins fan, I feel the need to support you with a hearty thumbs up."

"Although... like I said, you really must not get laid much, and even with all those quotes and resources and the fact that I'm a fellow taterskins fan, I'm still not convinced."

Man you guys are rude and vulgar over here, did you fall out of the 700 level?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Man you guys are rude and vulgar over here, did you fall out of the 700 level?

In our minds when you come to our boards, it's like the 700 level.  If you get up, I'm going to piss on your seat.

[archer]

But they DID improve as a team, where do you get off saying they did'nt? The offense is better, you will not be able to stop Portis, we are running plays that fit his slash and cut style, have Betts to get the tough yards. Our recievers caught more passes over 20 yards this preseason, than they did ALL of last season. Are you paying attention, it's not the same offense, maybe not as good as yours but it will still be much improved.

Where do I "get off" saying they didn't?  Dude, I just spit beer out my nose.  You're a crack-up.

Portis will all-of-the-sudden be unstoppable, unlike last year when he proved to be more of a system back playing out of his system and behind a garbage-tastic OL.  I see.  That's almost as salient about your confidence in Ladell Betts to "get the tough yards" (personally, I would buy stock in Rock Cartwright instead).

But I guess where the Eagles are really screwed is with your WR's.  After all, it's well-known that the Eagles have one of the worst and least athletic secondaries in all of football... and with the stellar pre-season performances by the likes of Santana Moss, Dave Patten, and James Thrash, it's only going to accentuate how bad Sheppard, Brown, Dawkins, and Lewis really are.  By the way, which top-shelf signal caller will be throwing to those receivers, and does it matter?

I am paying attention.  I didn't say the taterskins had the same offense.  I said they didn't improve.  Keep in mind that Rod Gardner and Lavuerneus Coles both were effective against the Eagles.  Gardner's size created a mismatch with our corners, but that problem is solved now that all your WR's are shrimp.  Coles made plays simply because his route-running and overall WR skills are far better than anyone Washington will bring to the table this year.

Can we agree to disagree? By the way, Moss seems much more effective than broken-toed Coles. Your secondary is slightly overrated as well, decent, but overrated.

[archer]

first off that is why we think ramsey makes horrible choices sometimes, that was an INT,even if it wasn't no differense for either team.  It didn't touch the ground, it was bobbled but it was an INT.  taterskins need ramsey to make better decisions or we aren't going no where.  Most fans know that our season is in the hands of Ramsey.  That was an INT and it was a farging dumb pass by ramsey. 

check it out, slow it down, was not an int, should have been challenged:
http://extremeskins.com/CrazyZeb/Week14vsPHI19_RamseyWTF.mpg

Guess what jackass.  The play happened after the 2 minute warning so the coaches couldn't challenge.  If the replay booth felt that it needed to be looked at, they would have buzzed the ref.  Bottom line is that it was an interception, no doubt about it.  Go back to eating paint chips. 

You mean the same refs that blew this call?


http://extremeskins.com/CrazyZeb/Week14vsPHI05_PassInterference.mpg

Bad call by the ref.  How much more crying are you going to do about shtein that happened last year?  I see the point you're getting at though.  The refs obviously have it out for the Skins and will use any opportunity that presents itself to ensure that the Skins don't win. 

just tryin to open some eyes, and have a little fun

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

We lost eight games by an average of 2.5 points.  We don't have to be much better to make the playoffs.  I still view Philly as the best team in the NFC and I think you guys have what it takes to win it all this year but I don't see why we can't easily be a wild card this year.  Let's just wait and see what happens.

Sorry, I got a little riled up and cranky in my first post.  Just don't hold the taterskins fans responsable for the actions of Dan Snyder.  A lot of us don't like him either.  Joe Gibbs is trying to undo the damage but he has obviously hurt us a lot with his big spending.  The team will be a lot better this year as now Gibbs has had a year to get the personnel he wants around him.  The D will still be good and the offensive scheme has changed.

There are a lot of close games in the NFL.  The good teams win more of them than they lose.  Honestly, I think any other team in the NFC East might have the goods one way or another to make a wild card run this year, but you can't blame us as Eagles fans for thinking a wild card run is unexciting.  I just don't think the Skins, specifically, are good enough to string together wins against top teams.

I know Dan Snyder has made you all cranky, but I still don't think Joe Gibbs 100% "gets it" in today's NFL.  It was his call to make the deal for Campbell, which was just completely bone-headed all around.

[archer]

We lost eight games by an average of 2.5 points.  We don't have to be much better to make the playoffs.  I still view Philly as the best team in the NFC and I think you guys have what it takes to win it all this year but I don't see why we can't easily be a wild card this year.  Let's just wait and see what happens.

Sorry, I got a little riled up and cranky in my first post.  Just don't hold the taterskins fans responsable for the actions of Dan Snyder.  A lot of us don't like him either.  Joe Gibbs is trying to undo the damage but he has obviously hurt us a lot with his big spending.  The team will be a lot better this year as now Gibbs has had a year to get the personnel he wants around him.  The D will still be good and the offensive scheme has changed.

There are a lot of close games in the NFL.  The good teams win more of them than they lose.  Honestly, I think any other team in the NFC East might have the goods one way or another to make a wild card run this year, but you can't blame us as Eagles fans for thinking a wild card run is unexciting.  I just don't think the Skins, specifically, are good enough to string together wins against top teams.

I know Dan Snyder has made you all cranky, but I still don't think Joe Gibbs 100% "gets it" in today's NFL.  It was his call to make the deal for Campbell, which was just completely bone-headed all around.

You may be making a wild card run yourself, no? Or is the Division Championship a "stone cold mortal lock", like a few of those NFC Championship games you blew?

[archer]

We lost eight games by an average of 2.5 points.  We don't have to be much better to make the playoffs.  I still view Philly as the best team in the NFC and I think you guys have what it takes to win it all this year but I don't see why we can't easily be a wild card this year.  Let's just wait and see what happens.

Sorry, I got a little riled up and cranky in my first post.  Just don't hold the taterskins fans responsable for the actions of Dan Snyder.  A lot of us don't like him either.  Joe Gibbs is trying to undo the damage but he has obviously hurt us a lot with his big spending.  The team will be a lot better this year as now Gibbs has had a year to get the personnel he wants around him.  The D will still be good and the offensive scheme has changed.

There are a lot of close games in the NFL.  The good teams win more of them than they lose.  Honestly, I think any other team in the NFC East might have the goods one way or another to make a wild card run this year, but you can't blame us as Eagles fans for thinking a wild card run is unexciting.  I just don't think the Skins, specifically, are good enough to string together wins against top teams.

I know Dan Snyder has made you all cranky, but I still don't think Joe Gibbs 100% "gets it" in today's NFL.  It was his call to make the deal for Campbell, which was just completely bone-headed all around.

We're still trying to figure out the Campbell thing

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Your secondary is slightly overrated as well, decent, but overrated.

Our best cornerback didn't make the Pro Bowl, and he was the only one who didn't.  With the amount of blitzes Johnson runs and how often the DB's have to cover man-to-man, they do an amazing job.  If anything, the secondary is underrated because of how often they're left on an island.

But you wouldn't know that.  You think Shawn Springs + Sean Taylor = one of the best secondaries in the NFL.