Smoking ban in Philadelphia approved

[ice grillin you]

public bars and restaurants arent private

i agree if its truly a private club then they should be able to do what they want

but the public at large should be able to go out and eat and drink where they want without having to suck in chemicals that kill you

[Sgt PSN]

public bars and restaurants arent private

They are open to the public but they are privately owned.  That's what I was talking about dookie. 

but the public at large should be able to go out and eat and drink where they want without having to suck in chemicals that kill you

Funny thing is, that even as a smoker, I'm not really all that bent out of shape about resturant type places not allowing smoking.  I don't smoke while I eat so I could care less if I'm allowed to smoke inside a resturant.

It's the bar/pool hall/night club that I want to smoke in. 

The town I live in (in Kansas) went non-smoking on Jan 2.  The expection is private clubs.  So every place in town that either has a cover charge or memberships is exempt from that rule.  So all of the night clubs in town are still smoking and most of the bars have started charging a $1 annual membership fee to get around the law. 

But there are a few places that have decided to make themselves completely non smoking and business does not seem to be affected by it.  Sure, they've lost their smoking customers but they've gained a lot of new ones in non smokers. 

[Seabiscuit36]

I still think it should be up to the individual bars if they want to allow smoking, and if they do, they be required to install smokeeaters or whatever would be necessary to meet some set standards.  Restaurants i have no problem with no smoking, it only makes sense, and i dont want to smell a pall mall when i'm eating a steak. 

[Wingspan]

public bars and restaurants arent private

i agree if its truly a private club then they should be able to do what they want

but the public at large should be able to go out and eat and drink where they want without having to suck in chemicals that kill you

That's the thing. Bars and restaurants are NOT public property. They are privately owned, which the public is invited to enter.

If they were public property, then their sidewalks should be covered by the city cleanup crew...and the waiters and bartenders would be state employees.

[rjs246]

In other words IGY is looking out for the right of the masses versus the right of the individual. It's called Socialism, or in it's more extreme manifestations, Communism. The rights of the individual goes out the window in order for the masses to be 'protected' from the individual's actions.

[ice grillin you]

public bars and restaurants arent private

i agree if its truly a private club then they should be able to do what they want

but the public at large should be able to go out and eat and drink where they want without having to suck in chemicals that kill you

That's the thing. Bars and restaurants are NOT public property. They are privately owned, which the public is invited to enter.

If they were public property, then their sidewalks should be covered by the city cleanup crew...and the waiters and bartenders would be state employees.

i mean if you built the restaurant in your back yard its probably on private land but i would venture to guess that 95% of public restaurants and bars in the country are not on privately owned land....at least in blue states which is really all i care about it...so i guess if you wanna go to smokey bars and restaurants move to south dakota

[Seabiscuit36]

I'll go to deadwood you corksucker whore

[reese125]

not to mention you are confusing private property with commercial property which still hold specific rules and regulations. Any smoking ban opponents will always fight this argument as a property rights issue

When someone opens their doors to the public to do business they are subject to a plethora of regulations and restrictions, which can and do change.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

In other words IGY is looking out for the right of the masses versus the right of the individual. It's called Socialism, or in it's more extreme manifestations, Communism. The rights of the individual goes out the window in order for the masses to be 'protected' from the individual's actions.

Government is good!

I'll got to deadwood you corksucker whore

Indeed.

[ice grillin you]

In other words IGY is looking out for the right of the masses versus the right of the individual. It's called Socialism, or in it's more extreme manifestations, Communism. The rights of the individual goes out the window in order for the masses to be 'protected' from the individual's actions.

well this goes back to caring about others...and if we had more bleeding hearts such as myself who care about how their own actions affected others we wouldnt have to make laws like this...but until people stop being selfish pricks some things have to be done...smoke your shtein outside where it doesnt hurt anyone

[rjs246]

No. It isn't my job to keep you from inhaling smoke. Nor is it the government's job. It's your job. Don't go to bars where people smoke if you don't want to. Bleeding heart politics are insulting to basic human independence.

[Sgt PSN]

This argument is getting me all hot.  Am I the only one posting with no clothes on right now?  And smoking? 

[rjs246]

my cork is smoking. Does that count?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

This argument is getting me all hot.  Am I the only one posting with no clothes on right now?  And smoking? 

If you were in a bar, you'd be the champion.

[Sgt PSN]

my cork is smoking. Does that count?

No.  You probably just got shot in the dick.