McNabb's passer rating

ice grillin you · October 20, 2006, 08:57:35 AM

When we win with his game there are no complaints but when they lose everyone says we need a running game.

when they win what?

SOARIN EAGLE · October 20, 2006, 09:04:11 AM

Haven't the Eagles won at least a game this year?

ice grillin you · October 20, 2006, 09:06:08 AM

so your argument is that its possible to win a game by passing it 65% of the time?

SunMo · October 20, 2006, 09:12:23 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on October 20, 2006, 06:35:12 AM
i love people picking apart every playoff game mcnabb ever lost to find anything to support it not being his fault

why shouldn't the play of the team around him figure into how the game was won or lost?

the receivers were awful against Carolina, and then he got hurt. how can you even begin to blame him for that loss?

but he never gets credit for being the only thing on offense against the Packers the week before, when the Packers were probably the better team.

he hasn't played great in any of those games, he played well against Atlanta and threw the game away in the Super Bowl. but to act like he hasn't won any big games is silly. playoff games are big, games to win divisions are big. this year's Dallas game was big.

SOARIN EAGLE · October 20, 2006, 09:34:33 AM

Eagles definitely need to run the ball more than 19 times a game. I'm not saying they don't need to run more. I'm saying that we all should be use to it by now that Reid has done this since he took over.

I'm saying that when the Eagles win by the pass you see no complaints but when they lose by the pass everyone gets on the bandwagon that we need to run the ball more. Eagles ran 18 times against San Fran but they won the game 38-24, they ran the ball 22 times by design against Green Bay and won 31-9 again no complaining about the lack of a running game, Eagles ran 18 times against Dallas in a game they won 38-24 and once again no complaints about the lack of a running game.

Reid got the Eagles to a Super Bowl with playing this type of football. I didn't hear anyone complaining when they made it to the Super Bowl not running the ball. Only time you heard about the lack of the running game then was when they lost it.

We should be complaining about the run after every game not just the ones they lose. The lack of the running game didn't have anything to do with the two losses that we had. Most have said it was the DB's that lost the games for the Eagles.

The Eagles need to control the ball more and the way to do that is through a runnning game. The offense has to help the defense out by staying on the field longer so the defense gets a chance to breathe before having to go back in.

ice grillin you · October 20, 2006, 09:35:32 AM

why shouldn't the play of the team around him figure into how the game was won or lost?

if it were one season or maybe even two then you might be able to pick apart single plays in each game hes lost...maybe...

but over his era the offensive line has changed....the wr's have changed....the rb's have changed...the offensive coordinators have changed...the qb coachs have changed...for god sakes the stadium has changed...the only thing that hasnt changed is the qb (and the coach but thats another thread)

hes won some playoff games because of a good defense but mostly because of hideous competition...im supposed to credit him for beating jim miller and shane matthews or michael vick or shaun king...duante culpepper?...youre supposed to beat them...beat tom brady or hell even brad johnson and then talk

its sickening how many chances hes had to step up and win a superbowl yet hes only even taken his team to one...aka the same amount as jake delhomme and matt hasslebeck...the amazing thing to me is that hes had home field thruout three times...not in the playoffs three times or won the divison three times but home farging field three times...you had to win two measly games at home against a pathetic conference and you cant even do that

hes not a good playoff performer.....period....i dont know how anyone could say otherwise

PhillyPhreak54 · October 20, 2006, 11:29:55 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on October 20, 2006, 06:35:12 AM
i love people picking apart every playoff game mcnabb ever lost to find anything to support it not being his fault...its pretty amazing...blame whoever you want the fact of the matter is the guy has never won THE big game in a career that has had more chances to do so than those most qb's that have ever played have had

ill even concede mcnabb has actually NEVER choked in a playoff game....but what he has never done is to step up and actually win one...especially the bigger games...

only ONCE in his postseason life has he thrown for more than 300 yards or two td's...and that was the superbowl in which he threw the game away with three ints and had 51 attempts...

Well, we pick every game apart. If he's putting the ball on target and its not being caught what can he do? What can he do if the coach has him dropping back 60 times despite the run game working? What can he do if he has no time to set up shop in the pocket? It's a collaborative effort. True players can take games over - and McNabb has done this but he has to have someone making the catches for him.

That Carolina game still irks the piss out of me because Reid ran them all the way down to the 18 and they he goes pas and its INT'd.

And he was brutal in that SB. The defense shared in the blame but those INTs (the last one didn't matter) were ridiculous. Especially after he gets a reprieve on that one due to the penalty and promptly throws another one.

Phanatic · October 20, 2006, 11:31:49 AM

You left out homer. Anyone who disagrees that McNabb isn't a big game performer is a homer.... meh

ice grillin you · October 20, 2006, 11:37:45 AM

not a homer just wrong

the main difference in the two camps here is that his supporters get into specific games and series to defend him which you can only do for so long before you have to say the guy has had more chances than anyone deserves or gets in a whole career and hes come up short to the point that talking about a wr that dropped a pass five years ago in the carolina game doesnt fly anymore

TempleOwl · October 20, 2006, 12:00:20 PM

Here are the numbers:

7 years in the league
5 years making the playoffs
4 NFC Championship games
1 Super Bowl

There aren't too many QB's who can claim stats like that and of the ones who can, they had better receivers than Thrash and Pinkston to throw to.

Phanatic · October 20, 2006, 01:37:04 PM

If there aren't any big game recievers on the team then there's only so much a QB can do. Even the year we had Punk Bitch he was hurt for the playoffs and probably not 100% in the SB game. How many times can you run screens and dump it off to Westbrook with no running game and recievers who drop or get scared off the ball.

Just to be absolute about it I'll say something about how could you see it any other way...

rjs246 · October 20, 2006, 01:39:17 PM

He seems to be able to do it just fine until he gets to the NFCCG or Superbowl.

ice grillin you · October 20, 2006, 01:45:47 PM

actually he doesnt even do espcially well up to that point...and even if you think he does its only taking him one game to get to the nfcc...

mcnabb can be easily summed up as this: hes a good qb who sometimes plays great when its not the post season

bowzer · October 20, 2006, 01:51:10 PM

Yeh and if we had Favre we would have beaten Denver last year....

Phanatic · October 21, 2006, 02:14:25 AM

Quote from: ice grillin you on October 20, 2006, 01:45:47 PM
actually he doesnt even do espcially well up to that point...and even if you think he does its only taking him one game to get to the nfcc...

mcnabb can be easily summed up as this: hes a good qb who sometimes plays great when its not the post season

My drunkin argument to this point is that that #5 has never had the weapons. He puts the passes where they need to be and the guys that need to make plays on the other end were never good enough IN BIG GAMES because this front office has no skillz or is to busy lapping the salarary cap knob. Not saying #5 isn't infalable. Just saying that if he had better play makers this argument would be a as it should be. Whale shtein at the bottom of the Ocean.