Eagles/Giants - Post Game thread

[Cerevant]

When discussing the ineffective blitzing let us not forget that it's really easy to beat the blitz when chances are a receiver is going to be open because half of the secondary fellates llamas.

I disagree.  If the blitz is working, the only way to beat it is with short plays.  The Eagles are getting beat deep on blitzes, which means the blitz isn't getting there.

[Purple_Hayz]

When discussing the ineffective blitzing let us not forget that it's really easy to beat the blitz when chances are a receiver is going to be open because half of the secondary fellates llamas.

I disagree. If the blitz is working, the only way to beat it is with short plays. The Eagles are getting beat deep on blitzes, which means the blitz isn't getting there.

Yes of course, because the ineffectiveness is all about the blitzers not getting there.  The guys that don't blitz can just sit around with their thumbs up their collective asses because it's not like y'know they actually have to keep the receivers from a) running their route and b) getting open or anything, especially when the receivers are running deep.  I mean, these guys run 40 yards in under five seconds.  There's no need for the defense to concern themselves with covering and disrupting those deep routes or anything because there's no way they could get 15-20 yards downfield before a good blitz got to the QB, right?

[Cerevant]

Yes of course, because the ineffectiveness is all about the blitzers not getting there.  The guys that don't blitz can just sit around with their thumbs up their collective asses because it's not like y'know they actually have to keep the receivers from a) running their route and b) getting open or anything, especially when the receivers are running deep.  I mean, these guys run 40 yards in under five seconds.  There's no need for the defense to concern themselves with covering and disrupting those deep routes or anything because there's no way they could get 15-20 yards downfield before a good blitz got to the QB, right?

Does the term "hot read" mean nothing to you?  If a QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball, he has "all day".  A blitz should get to him in 1-2 seconds.  That gives your receiver running full speed in a straight line time to get 10-15 yards.  Sheppard jumped a 10 yard hitch and go on a play where he knew a blitz was called, so it should be likely that either a) the ball would be coming to his man fast, or b) the ball would be going somewhere else.

[bobbyinlondon]

Here's Brookover on his PLAYBACK segment in today's Inquirer:


Bad route

Weakside linebacker Keith Adams blitzed on the Giants' game-clinching touchdown pass from Eli Manning to Plaxico Burress. For some reason, however, he didn't make an inside move, and that gave Manning time to pump-fake. Sheldon Brown bit on the fake and Burress ran past him for the touchdown in the 27-17 Giants victory.

In Saturday's preview of the Sunday's game, they also talked about the Cowboys' game where the blitz failed to get there--it seems there was an unnamed player that WAS SUPPOSED TO BLITZ, BUT DIDN'T.

[SunMo]

Yes of course, because the ineffectiveness is all about the blitzers not getting there.  The guys that don't blitz can just sit around with their thumbs up their collective asses because it's not like y'know they actually have to keep the receivers from a) running their route and b) getting open or anything, especially when the receivers are running deep.  I mean, these guys run 40 yards in under five seconds.  There's no need for the defense to concern themselves with covering and disrupting those deep routes or anything because there's no way they could get 15-20 yards downfield before a good blitz got to the QB, right?

you really don't understand football huh?

[SunMo]

In Saturday's preview of the Sunday's game, they also talked about the Cowboys' game where the blitz failed to get there--it seems there was an unnamed player that WAS SUPPOSED TO BLITZ, BUT DIDN'T.

i think it was Matt Ware, he either didn't blitz on that play or took a poor path like Adams, I remember his name being connected with that play.

[rjs246]

Here's Brookover on his PLAYBACK segment in today's Inquirer:


Bad route

Weakside linebacker Keith Adams blitzed on the Giants' game-clinching touchdown pass from Eli Manning to Plaxico Burress. For some reason, however, he didn't make an inside move, and that gave Manning time to pump-fake. Sheldon Brown bit on the fake and Burress ran past him for the touchdown in the 27-17 Giants victory.

In Saturday's preview of the Sunday's game, they also talked about the Cowboys' game where the blitz failed to get there--it seems there was an unnamed player that WAS SUPPOSED TO BLITZ, BUT DIDN'T.

Hooray for more stories about our defense shteinting the bed!

[Syracuse]

There was no pressure at all from the LB's on that play. I was sitting in the end zone watching that play, and the LB's were a non factor.
Sheldon biting on the pump fake, that was the real problem on that play.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Just like last week with Bledsoe/Glenn/Lito... the CB practices to move on the QB's first move, because the blitz is theoretically supposed to get there before the QB has time to double-pump.  Both of those plays fall squarely on the lack of pressure gotten by the blitz.

[MadMarchHare]

I thought Sheldon's real mistake was letting up when Burress slowed down.  He should have used that mistake by Burress to get in front of him, prevent a 20 yd catch from becoming a TD.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I thought Sheldon's real mistake was letting up when Burress slowed down.  He should have used that mistake by Burress to get in front of him, prevent a 20 yd catch from becoming a TD.

Agreed.  He let a much bigger guy juke him, and a small CB can't afford to do that.  Still, Manning had way too much time.

[Purple_Hayz]

Does the term "hot read" mean nothing to you? If a QB has 5 seconds to throw the ball, he has "all day". A blitz should get to him in 1-2 seconds. That gives your receiver running full speed in a straight line time to get 10-15 yards. Sheppard jumped a 10 yard hitch and go on a play where he knew a blitz was called, so it should be likely that either a) the ball would be coming to his man fast, or b) the ball would be going somewhere else.

Yeah I'm aware of the concept, thanks.  My point, of course, is that irrespective of the amount of pressure a blitz actually gets or does not get if our coverage guys are doing their jobs then there's no way that a receiver should be getting wide the hell open downfield inside of three seconds yet they have so the backs deserve their share of the blame for that.  One does not contradict the other.

[ice grillin you]

there really won't be a need to draft a stud DE. Instead, we need a difference making OLB.

welcome to july