from uncle les' latest article....
QuoteThere is talk around the locker room that Matthews' issue is more serious than tendinitis. But there is talk elsewhere in the building that Matthews could have practiced more in the spring, that the real issue is his contract. This will be the final year of the rookie deal Matthews signed after being drafted in the second round in 2014. He will make $1,094,000, according to Spotrac.com. There has been no indication that the team, tight against the projected 2018 cap, has done anything toward extending Matthews.
wow alan barbre cut....seems like a chance to have him catch on somewhere else cause otherwise its curious timing
and there it is....
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Quote from: ice grillin you on July 26, 2017, 01:10:48 PM
wow alan barbre cut....seems like a chance to have him catch on somewhere else cause otherwise its curious timing
They were just talking about this on WIP. Ray Diddy said he talked to Mclane and Mclane said he'd be surprised if Warmack makes the team. Seamolu is penciled in as the starting LG.
im not sure why he would say hed be suprised if warmack makes the team...i think you could say i wouldnt be shocked if he was cut but camp hasnt even started yet and he has the stoutland advantage going for him...writing him off at this point seems silly
either way they have depth on the inside with wiz there as well but w/o barbre (and without warmack if you think hes gone) that depth gets cut significantly and they dont have great depth outside and AB can play there....it just seems crazy to me to cut a solid versatile veteran like this simply to give him a chance elsewhere to start
yea i dont get this at all. peters is 1000 years old. AB isnt an amazing player but you can survive with him at tackle for a little bit if it came to that.
It's a nice thing to do for Barbre. That's not really the only basis I want behind the Eagles decisions though.
anxiously awaiting Big V updates!!
Quote from: Don Ho on July 26, 2017, 06:56:30 PM
anxiously awaiting Big V updates!!
Here you go:
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So Barbre was traded rather than released
Denver for a 2019 conditional pick
And Steven Daniels was re-signed
jordan matthews' knee doesnt look right
-every writer today
bring back dgb
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-eagles/eagles-training-camp-day-6-observations-wentz-offense-look-crisp-pads
QuoteMeanwhile, Derek Barnett didn't look great in the 1-on-1s. He was stood up by Matt Tobin and Dillon Gordon on his consecutive plays.
It's not so much that he didn't look good. He's a rookie, after all, and it takes time for them to acclimate themselves to the rigors of an NFL training camp. But you would expect a guy that is supposed to be a talented football player to dominate stiffs like Tobin and Gordon on sheer ability alone.
At least Wentz and the offense seem to be clicking on all cylinders.
Barnett is just going to be another guy in the rotation this year, unlikely to be out there for even half of the snaps. DEs usually take more time to skill up than most other positions, and we know he has a ton of shtein to learn because he comes into the league with basically one move. No real reason for concern yet IMHO.
His biggest red flag so far is that the Eagles drafted him in the first round. That's often a sign of a bad football player. The last first round DE Howie drafted was Marcus Smith.
In general it's easy to overreact to camp, but one thing that looks confirmed every day is how bad the Eagles CBs are. Not really anything positive to say about that group., which could easily be the worst in the NFL. And I'm definitely not buying the "it doesn't matter because of the Eagles pass rush" spin.
Aside from Trent Cole the Eagles 🦅 haven't drafted a pro bowl DE since Reggie/Clyde. Aside from Cole the only halfway decent DE they drafted over the last 25 years was Graham and he barely makes the cut. Hugh was acquired via trade. Granted what happened 10-20 years ago has no bearing on their current state but history isn't on their side.
I know I'm just being a negative Nancy here but I just can't escape the conclusion that they pulled another in a long line of boneheaded moves by drafting Barnett. Seeing reports like that one only feed into that sense of dread.
Hell, even the positive reports about him seem to be smattered with caveats, as in... he beat Jason Peters on one play BUT the other three he got buried.
I hope I'm wrong but...
I'd be way more concerned if the reports were about how he was beating Peters on every play.
97 yr-old Peters has been pimp slapping him three out of four plays.
That's both encouraging and disturbing at once.
They wouldn't be the Birds if that wasn't the case.
Damn I hope I'm wrong but even before this news of Barnett's struggles I was very disappointed they didn't address the secondary with the first pick. Sorry but drafting a popular but seriously injured CB in the second round didn't make things any better.
Quote from: Rome on July 30, 2017, 12:35:33 PM
I know I'm just being a negative Nancy here but I just can't escape the conclusion that they pulled another in a long line of boneheaded moves by drafting Barnett. Seeing reports like that one only feed into that sense of dread.
Hell, even the positive reports about him seem to be smattered with caveats, as in... he beat Jason Peters on one play BUT the other three he got buried.
I hope I'm wrong but...
I know it. We know it.You know it. You ain't wrong. Eagles farged up, this is another vanilla player that will follow the likes of Mamula and be a step too late, and get multiple sacks when the game is lost or doesn't matter.
It's the Eagles, what did you expect?
Quote from: hbionic on July 31, 2017, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Rome on July 30, 2017, 12:35:33 PM
I know I'm just being a negative Nancy here but I just can't escape the conclusion that they pulled another in a long line of boneheaded moves by drafting Barnett. Seeing reports like that one only feed into that sense of dread.
Hell, even the positive reports about him seem to be smattered with caveats, as in... he beat Jason Peters on one play BUT the other three he got buried.
I hope I'm wrong but...
I know it. We know it.You know it. You ain't wrong. Eagles farged up, this is another vanilla player that will follow the likes of Mamula and be a step too late, and get multiple sacks when the game is lost or doesn't matter.
It's the Eagles, what did you expect?
Him to decide that he doesn't want to play ball and wants to be a fireman or a ballerina?
its official. your new camp darling is marcus johnson.
he joins hank baskett, paul turner, gj kinne, henry josey and countless others. congrats!
Don't forget the training camp OG, Mr Na "best hands on the team" Brown.
Sounds like Shelton Gibson sucks so it's good he's playing well
Who else has been playing well?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2017, 08:07:49 PM
Sounds like Shelton Gibson sucks so it's good he's playing well
Who else has been playing well?
Wentz, all the WRs other than Gibson, and anyone else who gets a chance to practice against the Eagles CBs have been having the best camps of their lives.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 01, 2017, 09:09:38 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 01, 2017, 08:07:49 PM
Sounds like Shelton Gibson sucks so it's good he's playing well
Who else has been playing well?
Wentz, all the WRs other than Gibson, and anyone else who gets a chance to practice against the Eagles CBs have been having the best camps of their lives.
The bad news is, so are the CBs.
patrick robinson is having an awful camp. so is rasul douglas.
i knew they were going to have get 1 cb, they may need to get 2.
everyone who had 2 practices in the "when will alshon get hurt pool" you win
whats the issue "this" time.
dinged his shoulder this weekend....practices since then have been to the ground - not to the ground - to the ground...because of two full contact johnsons in there i suspect they are being overly cautious
i suspect hes goes tomorrow...if he doesnt then its probably a legit (not serious) injury
corey graham coming in here to dominate your secondary
eagle beats are going crazy on twitter today over how good wentz looks
I'm willing to bet they fap to Wentz posters and/or force their girls to put on a Wentz jersey and a strap-on. It's the closet they'll get to the experience.
lol I agree
QuoteFor the third straight day, Wentz was not sharp, or at least not as good as he's been the rest of camp. I'm not sure if he has the Jordan Matthews blues, but he's been noticeably worse since the trade was announced. It's probably just a coincidence. I think. Maybe.
Doug Pederson explained that the players need to stop their whining.
"Well, I'm going to tell you this: I lean back on my career and the times that I had and the things, the situations and the people that I see," Pederson said. "Listen, it's decisions you got to make that are tough for the organization, for the individuals involved. But listen, it's like anything that we do in life – the next person steps up and here we go.
"We can sit and have poor attitudes and all that, but at the same time we're happy for both parties, and we're moving forward. That's business as usual."
Who knew that trading the most bland, boring receiver in the NFL would be the downfall of Doug Pederson?
I wonder if Howie even tells Doug about trades before pulling the trigger. I imagine Doug in his office reading Marmaduke or something and Howie just yells down the hall that he traded Matthews.
Quote from: QB Eagles on August 14, 2017, 03:23:54 PM
I wonder if Howie even tells Doug about trades before pulling the trigger. I imagine Doug in his office reading Marmaduke or something and Howie just yells down the hall that he traded Matthews.
This post should be enshrined in the CF hall of fame.
fwiw les bowen wrote that agholar looked like a superstar in camp today
In camp. Versus the eagles defenders in camp?
the eagles did not play a preseason game this morning so yes in camp against each other
Oh good, I thought I'd missed another game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2017, 03:07:47 PM
QuoteFor the third straight day, Wentz was not sharp, or at least not as good as he's been the rest of camp. I'm not sure if he has the Jordan Matthews blues, but he's been noticeably worse since the trade was announced. It's probably just a coincidence. I think. Maybe.
Doug Pederson explained that the players need to stop their whining.
"Well, I'm going to tell you this: I lean back on my career and the times that I had and the things, the situations and the people that I see," Pederson said. "Listen, it's decisions you got to make that are tough for the organization, for the individuals involved. But listen, it's like anything that we do in life – the next person steps up and here we go.
"We can sit and have poor attitudes and all that, but at the same time we're happy for both parties, and we're moving forward. That's business as usual."
That's probably the last thing he should do or say. Does he even have a single play in his career that would make a highlight reel? Get the farg outta here
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 14, 2017, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2017, 03:07:47 PM
QuoteFor the third straight day, Wentz was not sharp, or at least not as good as he's been the rest of camp. I'm not sure if he has the Jordan Matthews blues, but he's been noticeably worse since the trade was announced. It's probably just a coincidence. I think. Maybe.
Doug Pederson explained that the players need to stop their whining.
"Well, I'm going to tell you this: I lean back on my career and the times that I had and the things, the situations and the people that I see," Pederson said. "Listen, it's decisions you got to make that are tough for the organization, for the individuals involved. But listen, it's like anything that we do in life – the next person steps up and here we go.
"We can sit and have poor attitudes and all that, but at the same time we're happy for both parties, and we're moving forward. That's business as usual."
That's probably the last thing he should do or say. Does he even have a single play in his career that would make a highlight reel?
last minute gw 30 yarder to Charles Johnson to beat Dallas at the vet
Don't be such a Pederson 'Pologist
if doug never made the nfl nobody would ever say he sucks. dude was good enough to be in the league for 10 years. that isnt easy.
He probably sucked off the entire coaching staff for every team he played for, but that's still not as bad as how much you guys are sucking him off right now
we're not sucking him off...but you play 10 years in the league, you play 10 years. this has nothing to do with him as a coach. that has left a lot to be desired. but he can reference his playing career without people jumping on him with HE SUCKED DURRR.
if you think doug was a bad qb think about how bad all the other guys he beat out for jobs were.
So what you're saying is we need Head Coach Koy Detmer.
Holding a clipboard for 9 of 10 years doesn't command respect from people who have starting level talent.
Quote from: MDS on August 14, 2017, 09:22:53 PM
if doug never made the nfl nobody would ever say he sucks.
Agreed, it would be difficult to discuss the talent level of a NFL player who never played in the NFL.
Quote from: Tomahawk on August 14, 2017, 09:40:16 PM
Holding a clipboard for 9 of 10 years doesn't command respect from people who have starting level talent.
Pretty sure you're trolling, but just in case, this couldn't be more wrong. Players know how much work it takes to get to the NFL. Veterans know how hard it is to stay in the league and even young rooks and 2nd year players are already seeing their boys from college wash out.
if holding a clipboard is so easy why did literally hundreds of players not get a job that doug got over the course of those 10 years? i guess i should backup wentz since what the heck its easy shtein
sure compared to even a league average qb doug wasnt good, but compared to that qb who didnt make it through the first round of cuts doug was pretty damn good
Quote from: General_Failure on August 14, 2017, 09:31:44 PM
So what you're saying is we need Head Coach Koy Detmer.
Field goal holder would be the first round pick then
Quote from: MDS on August 14, 2017, 10:16:37 PM
if holding a clipboard is so easy why did literally hundreds of players not get a job that doug got over the course of those 10 years? i guess i should backup wentz since what the heck its easy shtein
sure compared to even a league average qb doug wasnt good, but compared to that qb who didnt make it through the first round of cuts doug was pretty damn good
Why would you compare him to people who didn't play? But you made excellent points; I'm all in on HOF Pederson
because doug is better than all of them
when doug references his playing career and its met with an eye roll, as in hey doug you sucked. thats wrong. doug didnt suck. he was in the nfl for 10 years. this is hard. this is impressive.
I'd rather talk about how good and impressive McNabb was than puff on some Pederson with you.
this is an odd conversation
yea i dont know where its going
alls im trying to say is doug had a really good career in the grand scheme of things
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 14, 2017, 11:17:50 PM
this is an odd conversation
Really the best these parts have seen in years.
He threw a total of 522 passes in his NFL career. That's not really good in any scheme.
After his terrible starting stint in Philly, and replacing an injured Tim Couch in Cleveland (posting a not really good 1-5 record), he backed up Brett Favre for the final four years of his not really good career.
The only reason he wasn't out of the league in three years is because, for whatever inexplicable reason, Andy Reid liked him and brought Pederson with him to Philly.
He didn't play ten seasons because he was good enough to, and certainly not because he was better than motherfargers that didn't even make it into the NFL. He "played" that long because of who he knew; not what he could do.
That's the exact same reason he's the head farging coach of the Eagles. Not because of what he knows, but because of who he knows.
lol guy riding or dying with Dougie
Huh
nfl teams routinely keep around players who suck because they are hunting buddies with the qb and friendly with the tight ends coach. of course.
as i said before, if you think doug was bad you should see the guys who were cut during camp.
Not NFL teams. The Packers. To back up Brett Favre. But who cares if he was the worst backup QB in the history of the league, he's better than people that didn't even play!
Better QB
Doug Pederson or Donovan McNabb?
Which one has a super bowl ring?
I don't know what is sillier pointing out that's it's hard to make the NFL or being obsessed with doug pedersons playing career
especially when he's a terrible head coach for the eagles like right now
I'm not a huge fan of his but he's not coached long enough to be verifiably terrible yet. I'm willing to see how he plays out.
I love the fact that he's put foot to assess with the offense over their Matthews-related sympathy pains, though.
you mean you are not sure if he will improve because right now he is completely incompetent
I don't get the hate. What's he done that makes him so incompetent? I don't feel strongly either way so far.
Well, he's straight cornbread and whiter than a marshmallow, so...
i guess you didnt watch last season (someone else can go down down that road and list all his colossal blunders if they so choose....im not doing it again)
but even if you didnt watch just listen to him talk for two minutes and you can see he isnt equipped to teach kindergarten
Meh, I watched half a dozen games, and thought he made the same kinds of mistakes that any rookie HC would. He didn't leave me thinking that he was clueless. Care to point out specirfics?
As for listening to him talk...he's a farging football coach, not a State's Attorney. I expect him to sound dumb. It's football.
i dont really care to since weve been over it ad nauseam last year but i would say he cost them at least three and maybe four wins
now like i just said if you think he can learn on the job and get better with experience that a fair thing to have faith in....after all hes never been a head coach or coordinator above the high school level...but as of right now hes just awful
Reid was awful in his first year too and he had a much better core to work with than Pederson had, especially on defense.
I'd say Pederson was much better than the walrus was, actually.
Bottom line is he's there and he's not going anywhere any time soon. Might as well hope for the best.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 15, 2017, 10:25:24 AM
but even if you didnt watch just listen to him talk for two minutes and you can see he isnt equipped to teach kindergarten
To be fair, most NFL players aren't equipped to be in kindergarten so your point is kind of invalid.
Ryan Mathews cleared medical, will be cut, Eagles save $4M
Unfortunate situation. Mathews has skills but you're no good to the club if you can't stay out of the tub.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 15, 2017, 11:03:41 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 15, 2017, 10:25:24 AM
but even if you didnt watch just listen to him talk for two minutes and you can see he isnt equipped to teach kindergarten
To be fair, most NFL players aren't equipped to be in kindergarten so your point is kind of invalid.
yeah but the morons dont usually get promoted to head coach....in fact pederson wasnt even thought of highly enough to be brought above the high school level by anyone other than andy reid and even that was as forty something year old quality control coach
Quote from: Rome on August 15, 2017, 11:03:03 AM
Reid was awful in his first year too and he had a much better core to work with than Pederson had, especially on defense.
I'd say Pederson was much better than the walrus was, actually.
andy is/was a super competent head coach who was a below average in game decision maker....doug is a complete buffoon
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Quote from: Rome on August 15, 2017, 11:24:50 AM
Unfortunate situation. Mathews has skills but you're no good to the club if you can't stay out of the tub.
best ability is availability!!
Reid didn't start out competent and how many fargups does he STILL make 20 years later?
Quote from: Rome on August 15, 2017, 11:39:07 AM
and how many fargups does he STILL make 20 years later?
kinda the point
How can you be super competent and a gameday fargup?
cause andy is tremendous at running a team and he is a great prep and practice guy...theres a lot more to coaching than just between the whistles...he just has in game issues
401pm sunday to 1259pm sunday = A+
100pm sunday to 400pm sunday = D+
overall = B-/C+
above average/competent whatever you wanna call it you dont win that many games and not be at minimum competent
what happens if they didnt have a 100 sunday game
is it after a bye week?
he was pretty good at those
I think some people have simply forgotten how bad Doug is. It's been a long offseason. He's a super terrible coach who directly cost them a bunch of games, and probably will again this year too.
Quote from: Rome on December 19, 2016, 11:05:10 AM
I gave the guy a shot, but yeah, he's done. The players deserve better and so do we. Not gonna happen, though.
off the top of my head why they lost games
lions - matthews fumble
wash - vaiti
dal - doug
nyg - doug
sea - agholor
wash - injuries at rt
cin - everyone
bal - going for 2 but it was the right call
gb - aaron rodgers
clearly 2 games...3 is if you want to blame him for viati starting which is fair, but the alternative was like matt tobin or something....4 if you are going to get technical about the play call on the ravens 2 pt play
I'm not on the dougie train by any means, but I'm still sticking to my guns about him treating last year like a 16 game preseason, which is why he made so many crazy decisions, especially on 4th down.
I don't say this because I think he's the next Bill Walsh...or even the next Andy Reid, but because I don't want to believe that anyone that stupid can actually exist.
the toss sweep to matthews against detroit with him seven yards deep in the backfield was dumb as farg....doesnt abstain matthews from the fumble but the play call was horrific and put him in a position to fail
also games like dallas and the giants he completely lost his mind on numerous occasions....yes it only counts as one loss but dallas in particular felt like three different losses because of him
lol at carson wentz being the lead blocker on that reverse against the giants
Derek is hurt. "Lower body," injury according to Dougie, "day to day."