Pick #13
Offensive line, followed by offensive line and some more offensive line please.
#13 picks since 2000
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adam carriker
kameron wimbley
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lee evans
ty warren
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dunta robinson
terrell suggs
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jamal reynolds
travis taylor
The two best OTs will be gone in the top 10 and the third best is a 15-25 range guy right now but might rise after the combine, and none of the OGs are expected to go in the first. The player I want is Laquon Treadwell, Ole Miss WR. He's Dez without the mommy issues and off-the-field garbage
I'm all for drafting the best available player of course, but this team can obviously not go another off-season without addressing the OL. It's a farging shteinshow.
There's no way the Eagles can go up three whole spots in the first round. Winning yesterday doomed the franchise forever and ever!
Quote from: Rome on January 04, 2016, 01:22:15 PM
There's no way the Eagles can go up three whole spots in the first round. Winning yesterday doomed the franchise forever and ever!
They could, but they'd likely be giving up more future picks since they have no 2 or 4. Or they give up this year's 3rd and don't pick again until the 5th.
Um
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 04, 2016, 11:47:47 AM
The two best OTs will be gone in the top 10 and the third best is a 15-25 range guy right now but might rise after the combine, and none of the OGs are expected to go in the first. The player I want is Laquon Treadwell, Ole Miss WR. He's Dez without the mommy issues and off-the-field garbage
Yeah I like Treadwell a lot
OL
WR
CB
So cool the team won Sunday. Yay
apparently paxton lynch has the biggest hands of any qb ever
biggest of the last 10 drafts is 10.78.....his are 11.48...not even friggin close
carson wentz in a half hour on the duce
farger looks like a flat out stud today
wentz can really run...they just called a run for him out of the shotgun and he ripped off 30...6-6 235ish and can move
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Stanford DE Aziz shteintu - name test ?
Quote from: smeags on January 25, 2016, 12:32:20 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 23, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
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Stanford DE Aziz shteintu - name test ?
He'd fit right in with the rest of the idiots.
Kempski's Eagles mock 2.0:
1 = Paxton Lynch
3a = Kenneth Dixon (Louisiana Tech RB)
3b = Josh Garnett (Stanford OG)
4 = Le'Raven Clark (Texas Tech OT)
5a = Cardale Jones
5b = Javon Hargrave (South Carolina State DT)
6 = James Bradberry (Samford CB)
7a = Isaac Seumalo (Oregon State C/G)
7b = Quinton Jefferson (Maryland DT)
an individual mock draft by guys that know college football is beyond ridiculous right now.....to see a guy that five minutes before making that list had never heard of any of those guys much less seen them play is sickening
none know college but is there anyone in the eagles media who knows less about pro football than kempski...that hack is a click baiting whore
If Lynch is on the board where they are I hope they trade back.
Do not want
I'm all about drafting a RB in the third. It'll give me another reason to stop giving a shtein.
Hey, Kempski's got them taking a Polynesian in the seventh so it's all good.
I'm with you J, no on Lynch.
I'm not a fan of Lynch either. Heck, I'd go with Braxton Miller if he's on the board at 3a (he might not be) and then decide how to use him later.
Quote from: Don Ho on February 02, 2016, 04:29:09 AM
Hey, Kempski's got them taking a Polynesian in the seventh so it's all good.
Wonder what Nasty Nate Iloa is up to these days?!
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on February 02, 2016, 07:38:21 AM
I'm not a fan of Lynch either. Heck, I'd go with Braxton Miller if he's on the board at 3a (he might not be) and then decide how to use him later.
Agreed.
For conversation sake:
I haven't watched many Ole Miss games this year but how does Laquan Treadwell measure up? Seems to be the best WR in the draft and should be there at 13. I still have no problem with them moving back and picking up a 2nd.
They can address O Line in free agency and trade a 3rd and 5th to move up to the second to pick a guard.
hes by far the best wr in the draft and I think gonna be a stud....I personally don't think he will be there at 13 but if he is id take him in a cocaine heartbeat
totally agree with you that oline can be gotten later in the draft and/or fa....or like you said trade back as there will be some good lineman on the board in the 20's...its really gonna suck having to wait from 13 to 77 if they dont trade back
They have an extra 3rd and 5th, that with a later pick should be enough to get them back into the 2nd.
WR to me is just as big of a need as OL is, the big difference is there are a shteinload of guards available in free agency and that's a need you can address later in the draft, whereas the WR f/a market is slim and if a guy like Treadwell is a stud that pick should be a no brainer.
Id love treadwell too but no way he is there.
Also I wouldn't be surprised to see Howie trade down if it yields the team a 2nd rounder.
wr is definitely their number one need....not sure how anyone could argue that....where the line really needs to be addressed is getting talent onto the depth chart...this is not to say they dont need to add a starting guard but with a new offense that wont expose the line as much and if you have better weapons i think they could get by with what they have at the starting positions versus wr which needs multiple guys added to the position who will need to have high snap totals and contribute
to me the most important player on the team going into the offseason and next year is agholor....if he can make a sophomore leap it would take care of a lot
If you don't keep Bradford upright it doesn't matter if Sammycakes has Rice & Moss to throw to.
I think Agholor will make the next step and Mathews will be a legit #1 in a real offense. Another Pimp or Maclin would be more than welcome, though.
Mathews will never be a #1. That isn't meant to be an insult to him, he just isn't that guy. He has the potential to be very good as a #2 or slot receiver that moves around the formation, but opposing OCs aren't staying up at night to gameplan for Mathews. Maybe Nelson can be that guy, I guess we'll find out this year, but right now I don't really see either of them as #1 WR type dudes.
I like what rusty said more than I like what romey said. In fact, I don't like what romey said at all. Except Sammycakes. I liked that. Everything else kind of sucked though.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 02, 2016, 10:13:49 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on February 02, 2016, 04:29:09 AM
Hey, Kempski's got them taking a Polynesian in the seventh so it's all good.
Wonder what Nasty Nate Iloa is up to these days?!
OMG! He's doing some media work here and he's got to easily be 300+. Going to find out if he can play OG.
I missed the QB's at the combine. How did Boykin look?
Sammycakes it is, lol.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 03, 2016, 01:53:45 PM
I like what rusty said more than I like what romey said. In fact, I don't like what romey said at all. Except Sammycakes. I liked that. Everything else kind of sucked though.
Your face sucks.
QuoteTrevone Boykin. With many teams viewing him as a receiver rather than a quarterback, Boykin needed to run better than a 4.77-second 40 time -- even if that was one of the better times for QBs. Boykin did an alright job with his throwing session, hitting curls and showing some arm strength. But the quarterback spent most of Saturday answering questions about his pre-Alamo Bowl arrest and that's something that will continue to hang over him throughout the draft process.
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When do they announce the compensatory picks? I would imagine that the Maclin/Murray disparity is fairly large.
its usually late march...but with the draft being pushed back could go into april I guess
FWIW here are the NFL.com comparisons for the consensus top 10 and some of the guys that were options at #13:
[Future All-Pro]
Tunsil (7.7) = Tyron Smith
Jack (7.5) = a faster NaVorro Bowman
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[Pro Bowl - All-Pro]
Buckner (7.2) = Calais Campbell
Elliott (7.2) = Edgerrin James
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[Good Starter - Pro Bowl]
Ramsey (6.8 ) = Sean Smith
Bosa (6.7) = Ryan Kerrigan
Stanley (6.7) = Lane Johnson
Hargreaves (6.6) = Joe Haden
Goff (6.5) = Matt Ryan
Wentz (6.5) = Bortles
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[Potential Good Starter]
Conklin (6.4) = Runyan
Cody Whitehair (6.4) = Zack Martin
Nkemdiche (6.3) = Sharrif Floyd
Treadwell (6.25) = DeAndre Hopkins
Lynch (6.2) = eventually Mariota after a year or two of being stashed
Corey Coleman (6.0) = John Brown (AZ)
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[Could Start as a Rookie]
Taylor Decker (5.9) = Sebastian Vollmer
On comp picks, the Eagles won't get any. They lost Maclin and Nate Allen but signed Maxwell, Murray, Mathews, Austin and Thurmond
Howie said in today's PC they want one of the top 10 players in this draft. Doesn't sound like he wants to move back down and recoup the 2nd
I'm fine with that...there's definitely going to be a good player at 8. If they really want to recoup that 2nd they have two 3rds...an early 4th...and two 5ths to move up.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 10, 2016, 05:20:23 PM
Howie said in today's PC they want one of the top 10 players in this draft. Doesn't sound like he wants to move back down and recoup the 2nd
not sure why anyone thought otherwise...why would you trade up just to trade back
Maybe because that was the best deal they could make to get rid of Maxwell. A better question would be, why would you believe anything a GM type says about their draft plans shortly before the draft?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2016, 05:33:45 PM
not sure why anyone thought otherwise...why would you trade up just to trade back
Well, it happened in the movie "Draft Day". Maybe Howie watched it during his sabbatical.
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 10, 2016, 06:22:06 PM
Maybe because that was the best deal they could make to get rid of Maxwell.
he could have instead gotten an extra mid round pick that held equal value...clearly he wanted to move up into the top ten
Nobody knows that but the deal makers involved. Howie may just have found more value in the pick swap than what else Mia would offer later, we just don't know.
FYI: According to the draft chart that everyone loves, the Eagles received the equivalent of the 68th pick in the draft (250 point difference between 8 & 13).
So, in effect, they got a higher first and third rounder for a lower first and two absolute slugs, one with a rubber knee and the other with a huge contract and no heart.
Howie WIN.
Quote from: Rome on March 10, 2016, 06:53:33 PM
FYI: According to the draft chart that everyone loves, the Eagles received the equivalent of the 68th pick in the draft (250 point difference between 8 & 13).
So, in effect, they got a higher first and third rounder for a lower first and two absolute slugs, one with a rubber knee and the other with a huge contract and no heart.
Howie WIN.
what?
they got a higher first and a higher fourth for the three players
Miami got their #13, Alonso & Maxwell.
The Eagles got #8 and the difference between #8 & #13 which is 250 points on the draft chart. 250 points on the draft chart is the equivalent of the 68th pick or the fourth pick in the third round if there are no supplemental picks in the first or second.
I honestly can't tell if you are insane or trolling
You're double dipping with the math Rome.
They didn't get a higher first AND and third rounder for Maxwell/Alonso and 13.
They got the higher first, which means Maxwell and Alonso were valued at approximately an early third round pick.
That's exactly what I meant. IGY was saying those two were worth a fourth round pick which, according to the draft chart, is incorrect.
The teams swapped ones. The Eagles gave up Maxwell & Alonso for 250 points in draft value which is equivalent to the 68th pick in the draft.
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2016, 05:20:32 AM
IGY was saying those two were worth a fourth round pick which, according to the draft chart, is incorrect.
no igy did not say that...
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2016, 07:45:09 PM
they got a higher first and a higher fourth for the three players
And you were wrong about the value of the difference between #8 & #13.
It's 250 points which, again, for the fourth time, is the equivalent of the 68th pick in the draft or the fourth pick in the the third round.
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2016, 09:31:13 AM
And you were wrong about the value of the difference between #8 & #13.
you sure about this?...I posted on the board two days ago what the swap is worth according to the chart
anyway jimmy johnson came up with that chart in the early 90's....its outdated...I mean I look at its a cool guide but not a single team in the nfl uses it
tenn would not have traded a third for him put it that way....probably why the original reports were that the trade was the 8 for 13 swap AND a 4th....most likely it was 8 for 13 OR a 4th and reporters in a rush to be first on twitter got it wrong
I would have traded Alonso and Maxwell for the cap relief alone. I don't think Maxwell is terrible on a good defense but he quit last year and for that reason alone I'd boot his ass. I don't really blame him for quitting either. Just saying you can't have sulkers on the team like that. Bad for morale.
Alonso is plain shot. He was one of Scwartz's guys too and even so they shipped him out. What does that say for the guy?
I don't disagree with any of that except I think kiko can still be a productive linebacker if not a great one...at least i would have liked to have found out since hes so cheap and young...but im assuming because of that he needed to be included to get the trade done and im fine with that as well
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2016, 11:08:19 AM
I don't disagree with any of that except I think kiko can still be a productive linebacker if not a great one...at least i would have liked to have found out since hes so cheap and young...but im assuming because of that he needed to be included to get the trade done and im fine with that as well
I agree, he was dirt cheap. If there was a 20% chance of him becoming a productive player, it still would have been worth giving him one more cheapo year to find out. Unless the Eagles were utterly convinced that he's useless, he was part of the price of dumping Maxwell.
I get what you guys are saying, but I have never seen a worse defensive player live than what I saw from Kiko last season. I don't blame them for moving on.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 11, 2016, 11:44:23 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2016, 11:08:19 AM
I don't disagree with any of that except I think kiko can still be a productive linebacker if not a great one...at least i would have liked to have found out since hes so cheap and young...but im assuming because of that he needed to be included to get the trade done and im fine with that as well
I agree, he was dirt cheap. If there was a 20% chance of him becoming a productive player, it still would have been worth giving him one more cheapo year to find out. Unless the Eagles were utterly convinced that he's useless, he was part of the price of dumping Maxwell.
im more than willing to take those chances in return for getting rid of the max contract and moving up to the 8....well worth it
not to mention, kiko, best case scenario, is the 3rd best LB on the roster. how much is a SAM really worth in this system when kendricks and hicks will be playing more 3 down than him.
kiko cant play sam....even if he was still here he would have had to beat out hicks in the middle or kendricks on the weakside...but even if he didn't he would have been the ultimate depth player...a two position backup that has a big ceiling and is dirt cheap...but like I said I agree that it was worth getting rid of him to move Maxwell and clearly he had to have been included or it wouldn't have gotten done
Found this interesting
QuoteThe San Diego Chargers have agreed to terms with former Packers cornerback Casey Heyward on a three-year, $15.3 million contract according to Rand Getlin of NFL Network.
Not sure if SD plans to play him outside, slot or both but that is starters money. Interesting to me because many are mocking Jalen Ramsey to SD at 3 and they already have a good young CB in Verrett (1st rounder), and I think it is less likely they'd get Ramsey just to replace Weddle. Didn't seem like there was a lot of hope the Eagles could land him but I think it has entered the realm of possibility.
Ramsey and Tunsil are the best players in the drat. I can't see Ramsey dropping out of the top 5.
decent chance ramsey goes first overall
A DB hasn't been picked first overall in 60 years
im sure teams are taking that into consideration when evaluating players
I'm not saying it'll never happen again, but as important of a position as it is, there's never been someone that's so great that he's worth taking over a QB, OL or DL. Deion, Peterson and Terrell Buckley went #5, Woodson went #4 and Shawn Springs went #3. Even if you include safeties, there's Eric Berry and HOF Taylor that didn't get picked until #5, and Lott was #8
the point isn't whether he goes one or not the point is there is zero chance he falls to 8...and where ronnie lott or deion sanders went has nothing to do with jalen ramsey or this years draft
no team is going to sit there at 1,2, or 3 and say "man we cant take this kid now....ronnie lott didn't even go til 8"
Actually that's exactly what they would say. The greatest defensive back ever isn't worth anything close to a franchise QB. They might not name a random great player but the gist is the same. We can't take a CB/S at #1 overall because there's never been one and there isn't now regardless of how great Jalen Ramsey might be.
no it doesnt....it has nothing to do with past picks it has to do with this draft and the current state of the players and the league
in fact one of the reasons ramsey has a decent chance to go number one is because the qb class is so weak
if andrew luck were in this draft theres no chance ramsey would go one...but because jared goff or carson wentz is the best qb in the draft he has a legit shot
also the cb position is more valued now than it was in 1978...live in the past you die in the future....that's why no teams do that...someone would be laughed out of a draft room if they said don't take Jalen ramsey here because Ronnie lott went number 8 50 years ago
either way as I said this has nothing to do with whether he goes one...the point in bringing up that he has a legit shot to go one was done to show that he has no chance to fall to the eagles...not to discuss who is going to go first
Words.
Oh snap!
The point isn't whether the point is the point or not.
Words are the point.
This is pointless.
Point taken.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 14, 2016, 11:36:15 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2016, 12:35:32 PMthe point isn't whether he goes one or not
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2016, 11:38:00 PMdecent chance ramsey goes first overall
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 13, 2016, 11:29:37 PM
Didn't seem like there was a lot of hope the Eagles could land him but I think it has entered the realm of possibility.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 13, 2016, 11:38:00 PM
decent chance ramsey goes first overall
eagleholics zero chance scenario is what I was responding to to which you responded with something something something Ronnie Lott which made less sense than Ramsey going 8th
I don't expect a lot from almost most everyone here but you are better than this easy....if not in knowledge at least reading comprehension
Is the air much thinner up there, igy?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2016, 05:36:20 AM
I don't expect a lot from almost most everyone here
Hey, we're trying. Really, we are.
Not feeling Ezekial Elliot. Can't see taking a rb that early. There's a growing sentiment among fans he should be the pick. I have a feeling they go edge rusher.
Is anyone going to take a bus full of morons to the draft to chant his name?
Quote from: SD on March 20, 2016, 11:35:29 AM
Not feeling Ezekial Elliot. Can't see taking a rb that early. There's a growing sentiment among fans he should be the pick. I have a feeling they go edge rusher.
unfortunately no edge rushers at 8 unless you think bosa will fall....and I agree about the back...I don't believe in taking one anywhere in the first round much less top ten
The pick should be Stanley or one of the DBs if they're there still. Only exception to that is if you have a high grade on Wentz/Goff and they fall.
Way I look at it: Goff/Wentz/Ramsey/Tunsil/Stanley/Hargreaves/Jack/Bosa are the top 8 players.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 20, 2016, 05:37:05 PM
Quote from: SD on March 20, 2016, 11:35:29 AM
Not feeling Ezekial Elliot. Can't see taking a rb that early. There's a growing sentiment among fans he should be the pick. I have a feeling they go edge rusher.
unfortunately no edge rushers at 8 unless you think bosa will fall....and I agree about the back...I don't believe in taking one anywhere in the first round much less top ten
No love for Deforest Buckner? Some mocks have him ahead of Bosa.
i love him as a player...I was specifically speaking to him as an aedge rusher...i don't think hes that kind of player...I think he could be a great all around 3-4 end...imo he will be more of a power and technique guy on the edge versus a speed edge guy....like I see him being as good a run defender or better as he will be a pass rusher
Bosa's been compared by the talking heads to Jared Allen. I'd take that for 10 years, thanks. He really needs to zip his hole about how great he is, though.
It's gonna be Stanley if he's there. You can bet the farm co-op on that, you filthy hippies.
No QB or RB in the first
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 20, 2016, 07:15:38 PM
i love him as a player...I was specifically speaking to him as an aedge rusher...i don't think hes that kind of player...I think he could be a great all around 3-4 end...imo he will be more of a power and technique guy on the edge versus a speed edge guy....like I see him being as good a run defender or better as he will be a pass rusher
Think this was already discussed but Mayoock loves Buckner.
QuoteMayock told The Rich Eisen Show on Monday that he not only sees elite talent in the versatile, 6-foot-8, 295-pound Buckner, but also the kind of long-term career success that will make the general manager who drafts him look awfully good.
"He can play up and down the defensive line of scrimmage. He's nasty, he's tough, he's powerful. He's got a little Reggie White hump move that's friggin' awesome. Eight to 10 years from now, I think he'll be one of the guys we'll be looking back at that will be in the conversation as the best defensive player to come out of this draft," Mayock said.
Howie at the meetings this morning:
Quote"There's this narrative that you can get running backs in the fifth, sixth, seventh round and undrafted free agency, but when you look back at the last 10 years of guys that are really in the top 10 in rushing, those guys are high picks. And so, when you find a special talent at that position, that guy who can run the ball, who can pass-protect, who can catch the ball out of the backfield, that's a unique weapon."
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"When you talk about that, there's a difference between a special player and a role player at that position. Those guys are good players, but when you're talking about the guys who are 1,500-yard rushers, the guys people are game-planning [for], those are hard to get later in the draft."
hes gotta be trying to be the smartest guy in the room and is feebly tryng to throw smoke signals...caus ehe cant be that dumb
first of all no one says you should wait until the 6th or 7th round for a rb just that you can get running back outside of the first round and theres no reason to take one in the top ten
secondly part of the reason for not taking a rb that high is how they are so devalued in todays nfl...its not strictly about where in the draft they might fall
eagles last five leading rushers also include their of their top five of all time and were all taken outside the first round and wilbert was a 7th rounder I think
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/eagles-reportedly-want-trade-draft-210200933.html
Probably just a stupid rumor but it's the offseason
Stupid rumors are for stupid people.
We're awful people here, but not (all) stupid.
Quote from: SD on March 24, 2016, 03:45:38 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/eagles-reportedly-want-trade-draft-210200933.html
Probably just a stupid rumor but it's the offseason
this "report" makes me so mad
it could be the worst most disingenuous article ever written...everything from the headline that says "reportedly" to the body of story is based on an anonymous quote of someone saying don't be surprised IF A TEAM LIKE the eagles trys to move up....
no one is "reporting" the eagles are trying to move up...and in fact the guy isn't even saying its the eagles its a team "like" the eagles....and hes just throwing shtein in the wind by saying don't be surprised...its 100% just his opinion no different than if me or you posted on this board what wouldnt surprise us about what the eagles might do on draft day
total farging garbage...if you want to "report" that the eagles are trying to do this then the anonymous nfl executive has to say that hes heard or the eagles are calling around or the eagles have offered another team something to move up
I wouldn't really be against getting Wentz, he and Bradford are a bit of a crapshoot each in their own way but each with a good bit of ceiling.
The draft value chart (yeah, it's old, but people still use it as a rule of thumb) indicates a value of 1200 between our 8th pick and the 2nd pick. That equates to the rest of this year's draft picks, some of next years, AND some additional value such as a player. Even if it was Bradford, the cost would probably be the rest of this year's draft. So sorry...no. Take your chances at #8. If either Goff or Wentz falls in your lap, great. If they're gone and Stanley is there, great. Otherwise, go BPA or trade down.
The mission should be to trade back regardless.
Treadwell only ran a 4.63 in the 40. That was 29th best of the receivers in the draft. His stock is about to plummet. Probably a 20-30 pick.
So it's a lock. Eagles take him at #8.
Good - maybe he will be there when they pick in the sec...
oh wait.
Don't have a 2nd.
They're working out Jared Goff at Cal today
If the Roaches decide to not take a QB (which many projections indicate), there's a possibility that Goff is on the board for the 49ers at #7. If the Ravens can be persuaded to swap picks (with the addition of one of the Eagles 3rd rounders), the Eagles could leapfrog over San Fran and snag Goff. It's a lot of ifs...and then there's the question of whether Goff is the right QB to have.
If the Browns take Goff and leave Wentz on the board...that might be even more interesting.
Anyone feeling Wentz, Goff or Lynch? Wentz seems to be the hot QB to go off the board right now. I can see him going to the Browns at 2. There are rumors the Birds are trying to trade up for him. I just don't see it. Lurie flew out to see these guys but I remember him going to Geno Smiths workout and the Eagles passed on him in the 1st and 2nd round. I guess I wouldn't mind taking a chance on a Wentz or Goff at 8 but no way I'm trading up for either.
Here's how I see the 1st 7 picks rounding out:
1. Titans - Tunsil
2. Browns - Wentz
3. Chargers - Ramsey
4. Cowboys - Bosa
5. Jags - Jack
6. Ravens - Stanley
7. Niners - Goff
I would be more than happy with Hargreaves but they already have Rowe/Carroll/Mckelvin/Brooks/Sheppard...none of them are the talent that Hargreaves is but unless they're planning on switching Rowe or Carroll back to safety Hargreaves just doesn't make sense with so many CBs on the roster.
Don't want Elliot
Buckner is intriguing and wouldn't mind that pick.
None of the WRs in this draft are #8 pick worthy. The draft may not shake out the way I laid it out but if it does Hargreaves is BPA at that point. Howie said there were 10 players they identified, wish I could get a look at that list.
I don't want any of the trio of Goff, Wentz or Lynch.
Maybe as a late 1st or 2nd but I'm not sold on any of them. And since they don't pick late first and don't have a second they better not take one at 8.
I wouldn't put it passed them to try and move up to get one of those guys if they really like him, but it doesn't make much sense to do that. They've already got $30+mil in guaranteed money owed to Bradford/Daniel. Maybe they're able to package Bradford in there and move up, but if they can't get rid of one of those 2 qbs, then it'd be kind of silly to move up to take a qb.
I'm not saying I'm for trading up, but Bradford is really just a one year deal. If they drafted a QB, he could sit this season, be mentored by Daniel, then take over as the starter. My biggest problem with any of those guys is I don't think they're any more talented than Bradford. And Bradford is still relatively young.
I defer on speaking on qb's just because I have no ability to judge who is going to be good and who isn't....and because I think most scouts and gm's are the same way id prefer to not trade up for one and especially one in a class as weak as this
if they feel strongly enough about one of them to take one at 8 I wont be mad and I will hope for the best but the odds of any one of those guys is ever as good as sam bradford is right now is probably 50/50 at best...I just don't want them taking a qb because of the position and the desire to have a young one to groom on the roster versus how highly they rate a particular guy...and the way they have talked non stop about taking a qb in this draft I fear that might happen
Hargreaves would be the best CB on the team by a mile. I would have no problem with him.
Other than his Gator affiliation, that is.
i would really like them to just go back to the andy reid days and be boring and safe and take one of the OTs.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 31, 2016, 10:36:45 AM
i would really like them to just go back to the andy reid days and be boring and safe and take one of the OTs.
I would have been ok with that at 13...but after the move to 8 it would in a way be a letdown if they took a tackle there who more is less is the same quality of tackle they could have gotten at 13....or perhaps even the exact same player
who do you want then?
not sure....no one thrills me in this draft other than tunsill ramsey and jack and none of them have a chance to be there at 8
anyway regardless of what I said above id be fine with Stanley...my only point is after trading up to get the 8 slot it would be kinda blahzay to take Stanley when you could get another tackle at 13 like Conklin who Stanley isn't that much better than...or shtein who knows stanley could drop to 13 altho unlikely...its nothing against Stanley it just wouldn't excite me
honestly taking a qb would probably be the most exciting thing that could happen...next closest thing would be hargreaves or buckner....I guess im rooting for Hargreaves with the right to change my mind
I have a feeling Howie wants to make a splash, which is why I believe the trade up for a qb rumors.
At 8 I'd be happy with Hargreaves or Buckner. I just don't know who else would be there that would be worthy of that selection.
Agreed, happy with Hargreaves or Buckner. Watching a lot of Oregon the past few years has really opened my eyes that this kid can play. He was a beast.
Agree with Rome that Hargreaves would be the best CB on the birds bar none. Rowe, Carroll and the rest can kiss off.
I haven't been following the drafts as closely as I used to but I hope Andrew Luck falls to them.
Both Schefter and Sal Pal said the Eagles/Wentz stuff is 100% true and that Howie/Pederson are in love with the guy. Schefter said he thinks it would take #8, next years first, and one of their thirds this year to get it done. I'm not saying I'm for the deal, but some scouts/analysts are comparing him to Luck. The whole 1AA thing scares me.
I've seen more than a few draft guys who say neither lynch or wentz should go before the third round if you go strictly by evaluation and not position or need
who the farg compared him to luck?...or did someone compare his size and mobility to luck versus rating him as high as luck....cause that's a huge difference
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 06, 2016, 11:00:20 AM
I've seen more than a few draft guys who say neither lynch or wentz should go before the third round if you go strictly by evaluation and not position or need
who the farg compared him to luck?
Biggest name was Mayock, but I've seen others.
oh ok gotcha...yeah mayock doesn't have wentz in the same galaxy as a prospect as luck but mentions some skill set similarities
again in no qb expert but I'll defer to the scouts and say it would be insane to trade all that for him
im pretty sure sal pal and adam have said similar things about the eagles on their draft day intentions but it turned out to be smoke screens.
Please god no first round QB
sal pal is the tool of tools
mcshay is on sportscenter and says he has a late first/early second round grade on wentz
pretty good read on wentz...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15158945/does-north-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz-really-add-20m
So you're onboard?
i guess i would be ok with him at 8
I'd rather them take a shot at a franchise QB there that another run of the mill position guy
Quote from: Rome on April 12, 2016, 12:56:09 PM
I'd rather them take a shot at a franchise QB there that another run of the mill position guy
the problem with that theory is that wentz is most likely another run of the mill qb
i don't think theres any doubt that of of the guys who they legitimately could go with at 8 that wentz has the biggest downside while not having the biggest upside
i get it that because hes a qb and qb is the most important position people will put him at the top of the list....but prepare to be disappointed if they take him
I just meant in a general sense. If it's close you take a QB simply because of the value of the position. If he busts out, so be it. We should be used to that by now anyway.
I definitely don't disagree with that and i would normally be the first person to jump all over the hope of getting a franchise qb....shtein i was the biggest bedwetter fan in the world from 99 to about 03....
but this year is different for me in that wentz is getting a 2-4 round grade by a lot of people...yet still I wouldn't be pissed if they took him at 8 precisely because of his position...i just would rather have someone else over the qb this time around
There is so much luck involved in drafting a QB, there is no point in saying "Well, this guy is a 2, and this guy is a 4." The bottom line is if there was some magic formula for projecting a college QB into the NFL there would never be a bust outside of injury, and there wouldn't be Joe Montana's, Russell Wilson's, and Tom Brady's going as late as they did.
theres exceptions to every rule but by and large you need to take a qb in the first round if you want to win a superbowl....shtein I think over 30% of superbowl winning qb's were taken first overall much less first round
wentz at best carries a second round grade and ive seen him valued as low as the 4th...which doesn't mean he 100% is going to flop...but if I had my choice id just rather not take a guy that lowly rated at 8
None of the top guys are franchise worthy. Not only are they not worth a top pick they're certainly not worth trading up for.
I think Wentz will be similar to Derek Carr. Which isn't much better than Bradford.
I have no idea what kind of pro quarterbacks they'll make. I know the last several we've had haven't been good enough to win a playoff game, much less a Super Bowl, and the good news is the same dipshteins who've repeatedly whiffed on personnel get another crack at finding one.
It's great to be an Eagles fan, right?
Quote from: SD on April 12, 2016, 05:23:32 PM
I think Wentz will be similar to Derek Carr. Which isn't much better than Bradford.
Yeah that's crazy. Carr is way better
so
carr >>>> sanchez >>>> bradford > kinne
Looks about right
Zeke visited the NovaCare today and Wentz is visiting tomorrow
Is lol guy hiding in the bushes trying get the scoop ?
Rams just traded with the Titans for the #1 overall pick. Any Wentz talk is done.
Thank god!
thought you hated bradford?
i never really believed the qb stuff with the eagles....they were just doing their homework and it became A THING because everything becomes a thing
Quote from: MDS on April 14, 2016, 09:25:03 AM
thought you hated bradford?
i never really believed the qb stuff with the eagles....they were just doing their homework and it became A THING because everything becomes a thing
I feel dirty for doing this but, agreed.
Quote from: smeags on April 14, 2016, 09:35:48 AM
Quote from: MDS on April 14, 2016, 09:25:03 AM
thought you hated bradford?
i never really believed the qb stuff with the eagles....they were just doing their homework and it became A THING because everything becomes a thing
I feel dirty for doing this but, agreed.
Schefter just mentioned the Eagles (first team he mentioned) as being outbid by the Rams for the #1 overall. I think there was genuine interest in trading up for Wentz. I don't see Wentz or Goff as being any more talented than Bradford and Bradford is still young.
I would have been fine with Wentz at 8, or even if they had to trade one of their extra 3rds to move up a few spots to get him, but what the Rams just gave up is insane. I hope the Birds either go Stanley or Hargreaves at 8.
What a ridiculous bounty for a big question mark. I'd have been furious if the Eagles had done anything close to that. Way too much for a roll of the dice...and the odds aren't even that great.
Quote from: MDS on April 14, 2016, 09:25:03 AM
thought you hated bradford?
i never really believed the qb stuff with the eagles....they were just doing their homework and it became A THING because everything becomes a thing
andrew brandt was saying yesterday how leading up to the draft the packers brass would sit in morning meetings everyday and see what kind of lie they could come up with to put out there
yeah but the eagles never lie to the media. ever.
it's true, they said so.
Quote from: MDS on April 14, 2016, 09:25:03 AM
thought you hated bradford?
i never really believed the qb stuff with the eagles....they were just doing their homework and it became A THING because everything becomes a thing
Well yeah I am no Bradford fan.
But that doesn't mean I want them paying a ridiculous amount of picks to move up and get a guy who probably isn't worthy of a top of the first round pick let alone the top pick AND a bunch of picks to get him.
Fletch's name was circulating in the draft trade rumors too. Hopefully (and probably) it was all bullshtein.
Yeah - trading him would be stupid. I don't doubt Howie would do it though.
i actually dont think trading him is that dumb...but thats because im not sure i want to pay a defensive lineman 60 mil guaranteed. so if you can get something for him, you do it, but his value with 1 year to go is going to be very limited and likely not worth it. youd rather have him on your team this year, then maybe even franchise him next year before letting him get caked in 18.
i know i know hes exceptionally good, but its definitely questionable whether anyone at that position is worth that kinda cash.
He rejected $60M guaranteed, or rather, his agent evidently did.
I'd be fine trading Cox if that's the case. I'd gladly pay him too. But if a guy is stupid enough to let his agent sniff at that sort of lotto payout, I'm not sure I'd want go deal with either of them going forward.
Quote from: Rome on April 14, 2016, 12:07:00 PM
He rejected $60M guaranteed, or rather, his agent evidently did.
I'd be fine trading Cox if that's the case. I'd gladly pay him too. But if a guy is stupid enough to let his agent sniff at that sort of lotto payout, I'm not sure I'd want go deal with either of them going forward.
That rumor was a lie, Eskin reported it then Cox's agent called him on it, then they got into a fight and might do a celebrity fight for charity (No Lie)
Some rumors going around the move up was for Goff not Wentz.
suh got 60 mil last year
cox is better four years younger and the cap is exploding....why the hell would he ever take the same amount
I cant believe for one second that pos eskin reported a bogus rumor.
Quote from: smeags on April 14, 2016, 12:16:09 PM
I cant believe for one second that pos eskin reported a bogus rumor.
whether its a rumor or not it makes total sense....I cant imagine cox taking one cent less than suh and the market says he should get significantly more
I agree it makes sense that cox's camp would've refused it. I just doubt the offer was ever made to begin with.
better hope the eagles offered it or hes gone...I imagine 60 would be the starting point and not saying eskin is right but why would it be hard to believe that they offered it?
seems a thousand % believable to me even if no one reported it
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 14, 2016, 12:14:54 PM
suh got 60 mil last year
cox is better four years younger and the cap is exploding....why the hell would he ever take the same amount
Because a bird in the hand...
It's 60 million dollars, dude. And Cox is a good player but he's not the best in the NFL. Again, I'd pay him because I think he's worth it but I'm not breaking the bank for him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 14, 2016, 12:24:24 PM
better hope the eagles offered it or hes gone...I imagine 60 would be the starting point and not saying eskin is right but why would it be hard to believe that they offered it?
seems a thousand % believable to me even if no one reported it
Why would Todd France (Cox's agent) call the station and flat out deny it then? Doesn't seem like he'd waste his time if it was true. I can definitely see Howie lowballing him to gauge what it will take to sign him.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2016/04/12/fletcher-cox-todd-france-howard-eskin/
Quote"What's amazing to me, is that today's day and age you can report something and absolutely make no attempt to contact the other party — perhaps in this case maybe the agent — and ask him, 'Hey this is the information I'm getting. Is this true, is this not true?' If I choose not to comment or don't respond, then that's on me. But to me, it's careless reporting when you don't even attempt to check your facts that are quote-unquote — that are facts — I should put those in quotes."
"I just felt like, you know what, enough is enough," France told Michael Barkann and Ike Reese on 94WIP. "I can't just let this guy go on a rant and speak what he wants to speak."
I have no idea if it happened or not...im just saying it seems super believable
maybe they turned down 65 million guaranteed...france wouldn't be lying if that were the case
Quote from: Rome on April 14, 2016, 12:28:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 14, 2016, 12:14:54 PM
suh got 60 mil last year
cox is better four years younger and the cap is exploding....why the hell would he ever take the same amount
Because a bird in the hand...
It's 60 million dollars, dude.
thats not how sports contracts and negotiations in general work...the markets dictate salary...the "gee that's a lot of money dood" business model doesn't really apply here
That's exactly how it works. If it didn't the Eagles wouldn't be so successful in signing their own guys early at hometown discounts.
eagles didn't get hometown discounts...they got players at fair market value...fair market meaning none of them had much of one
its a whole different story when you are talking about top of the line best at their position guys...market rarely ever goes backwards in those cases...im sure you are right tho and this is the exception...the guy from yazoo city mississippi im sure will give the eagles a hometown discount
You're wrong but whatever. They've done it for years and Howie is just running the Reid/Banner playbook from start to finish here.
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The Philadelphia Eagles are the team most interested in Ohio State running back Ezekiel Elliott, James Walker of ESPN.com reports via Matt Lombardo of NJ Advance Media.
The Eagles previously traded running back DeMarco Murray to the Tennessee Titans for the right to swap first round picks -- Which helped Tennessee trade up to No. 1 in a deal with the Los Angeles Rams -- so it would not be the least bit surprising to see the Eagles pull the trigger on drafting Elliott as Murray's replacement.
Elliott, who averaged 6.3 yards per carry and rushed for 23 touchdowns as a junior in 2015, visited the Philadelphia Wednesday on the same day that Notre Dame left tackle Ronnie Stanley met with the Eagles at the NovaCare complex.
I expect, or at least hope, this a just more of a smokescreen. I don't want to see them pick Elliot, at least not at 8, although I'd still be excited if they did. Stanley is the other player who is often mocked to the Eagles that I don't want to see them pick.
this could be the least exciting draft ever
I'd rather they take Elliot than one of the bust ass QBs.
And I'm no fan of taking RBs in the 1st
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 17, 2016, 04:55:27 PM
I'd rather they take Elliot than one of the bust ass QBs.
And I'm no fan of taking RBs in the 1st
totally agree with this....at least you know zeke is going to produce from day one for you and probably at a high level
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2016, 04:55:17 PM
this could be the least exciting draft ever
I can't tell if it is me being a little less interested in the draft each year, but it is shaping up that way for me. And the Eagles have a top 10 pick, new HC and some mystery around what direction they'll go in, including QB. And still I can't remember being less excited about a draft in 15 years.
for me its because the talent is weak as shtein
I used to be all up into draft prep and shtein but yeah the luster is off a bit
Not having a second rounder sucks too
I 100% believe the zeke stuff is a smokescreen. They're hoping a team trades up and takes him. That happening means another player falls. Still think if Goff goes #1 they're trading up with Clev to take Wentz.
I'm into it this year because when you're picking at 25 you don't have the same grasp on who is going to be around at that pick. And I expect whoever they pick this year to contribute. The weird feeling is of the consensus 2-4 players they'd be looking at this year at 8, I don't see myself getting angry picking any of them, so the drama is down in that respect.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 17, 2016, 06:37:44 PM
of the consensus 2-4 players they'd be looking at this year at 8, I don't see myself getting angry picking any of them
the problem with this draft is that of the 2-4 players they might pick I don't see myself getting excited over any of them.....which is a bad thing when you are picking 8
I'm being entertained by the drama of the draft itself, at least as far as the the jockeying for position goes. It's borderline high drama at this point. I'm not so enamored by the actual player talent involved.
There were only a small handful of players from last year's first round who made any impact at all in their rookie season. Some will grow into a role but most will be busts. I get less excited about the draft these days because, unless you're picking one of the rare can't-miss guys, the drafted player is probably not going to lead to quick success for your team. There's a ton of hype around the draft but most of those guys will suck balls in the NFL, no matter how good they look on college tape.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 18, 2016, 10:07:32 AM
There were only a small handful of players from last year's first round who made any impact at all in their rookie season. Some will grow into a role but most will be busts. I get less excited about the draft these days because, unless you're picking one of the rare can't-miss guys, the drafted player is probably not going to lead to quick success for your team. There's a ton of hype around the draft but most of those guys will suck balls in the NFL, no matter how good they look on college tape.
This right here.
The draft is always been about hopes and dreams which many fans confuse with reality.
Until that funholeface Goodell moved it to Thursday and Friday it was an excuse for me to throw yearly bashes at my place. Now I go to sleep about 10 seconds after the Eagles pick.
Goodell should be sauteed in his own blood just for screwing that up.
Seriously, name a single thing about the league and game that's better since he took over.
farg that guy.
Quote from: Rome on April 18, 2016, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 18, 2016, 10:07:32 AM
There were only a small handful of players from last year's first round who made any impact at all in their rookie season. Some will grow into a role but most will be busts. I get less excited about the draft these days because, unless you're picking one of the rare can't-miss guys, the drafted player is probably not going to lead to quick success for your team. There's a ton of hype around the draft but most of those guys will suck balls in the NFL, no matter how good they look on college tape.
This right here.
this is no different than 5/10/15/20/25 years ago...this draft is just particularly weak
i highly doubt anyone is just now coming to the conclusion that theres no guarantee that the player your team picks will be great or even good...it probably has more to do with just getting older and not caring about sports as much as you used to.....this is what happens with most people
Ruining the concept of the draft party is probably my least favorite Goodell move, at least from a fan perspective. I used to get together with ten buddies who support ten different teams and we'd all goof on each other's picks. Now that has to wait until fantasy football season.
Best memory of these parties was a Cowboys fan yelling at the TV for Jerry to take DJax, twice, and then the Eagles taking him while my friend (accurately) cried about Felix Jones being an obvious Arkansas fanboy pick.
I think everyone gets that there's no guarantee a pick works out, but I think there's low awareness of just how bad the odds actually are, and the hype machine of course does nothing to address that fact. It is somewhat amazing that with all the analysis tools and tape floating around, and all the money on the line, the evaluation process is still such a crapshoot. It's legitimately tough to grade players. Even the teams we think draft well are whiffing more than they hit.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 18, 2016, 03:27:14 PM
Ruining the concept of the draft party is probably my least favorite Goodell move, at least from a fan perspective. I used to get together with ten buddies who support ten different teams and we'd all goof on each other's picks. Now that has to wait until fantasy football season.
i know people did this kind of thing and loved it, but putting the 1st round of the draft in primetime on a weeknight is better for fans. ratings are higher and HUT levels (households using television) are much stronger on a thursday night than saturday afternoon.
lil guy the corporate tv shill chimes in
Quote from: MDS on April 18, 2016, 03:54:44 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 18, 2016, 03:27:14 PM
Ruining the concept of the draft party is probably my least favorite Goodell move, at least from a fan perspective. I used to get together with ten buddies who support ten different teams and we'd all goof on each other's picks. Now that has to wait until fantasy football season.
i know people did this kind of thing and loved it, but putting the 1st round of the draft in primetime on a weeknight is better for fans. ratings are higher and HUT levels (households using television) are much stronger on a thursday night than saturday afternoon.
I've read a lot of your stupidity over the years but this really is a special kind of idiotic.
Translation: Football fans hate it, still watch it. Regular jagoffs now watch it also.
Quote from: Rome on April 18, 2016, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 18, 2016, 03:54:44 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 18, 2016, 03:27:14 PM
Ruining the concept of the draft party is probably my least favorite Goodell move, at least from a fan perspective. I used to get together with ten buddies who support ten different teams and we'd all goof on each other's picks. Now that has to wait until fantasy football season.
i know people did this kind of thing and loved it, but putting the 1st round of the draft in primetime on a weeknight is better for fans. ratings are higher and HUT levels (households using television) are much stronger on a thursday night than saturday afternoon.
I've read a lot of your stupidity over the years but this really is a special kind of idiotic.
saturday afternoons in the spring arent exactly prime tv hours....yea sure football geeks and binge drinkers are going to go nuts, but thats just a fraction of the audience. most people have better things to do with a warm weather weekend than sit in the house and watch a rich republican funhole read the names of 20 year old black dudes.
thursday nights are much more viewer friendly. which is why ratings have gone through the roof.
i get that some people really liked planning their day around it and getting obliterated, but again, thats a very small percentage of the overall viewing audience. in a democratic society, we dont cater to the needs of the few. please conform. thank you.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 18, 2016, 04:29:03 PM
Translation: Football fans hate it, still watch it. Regular jagoffs now watch it also.
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If it weren't for a life-long addiction to this stupid sport and an unhealthy attachment to a city/region I left more than a quarter century ago, I would have dusted those losers forever.
I hate pretty much everything about the Eagles now. I can't stand their Hoyda of an owner, I hate the greed displayed by all concerned, the game as it's played now is for sissies, and they can't even have the decency to show most games when and where they were traditionally played (1:00 on Sundays).
Everything is money, money, money, tv, tv, tv and farg the rank and file fan who made it what it was.
It says more about my inability to shake bad habits that I still remotely care about this nonsense than anything else.
i actually miss the draft not being on all day sunday more than the first round not being on Saturday
this year me and sunny have phils nats at 4pm into a two man draft party at my house for the first round....par-tay!
so you're having an all-day sausage fest with your bestie. :yay
Quote from: Rome on April 18, 2016, 06:48:04 PM
If it weren't for a life-long addiction to this stupid sport and an unhealthy attachment to a city/region I left more than a quarter century ago, I would have dusted those losers forever.
I hate pretty much everything about the Eagles now. I can't stand their Hoyda of an owner, I hate the greed displayed by all concerned, the game as it's played now is for sissies, and they can't even have the decency to show most games when and where they were traditionally played (1:00 on Sundays).
Everything is money, money, money, tv, tv, tv and farg the rank and file fan who made it what it was.
It says more about my inability to shake bad habits that I still remotely care about this nonsense than anything else.
so every company can make as much money as it wants and you can make as much money as you want, but the nfl cant make as much as it wants because some things slightly inconvenience you
decision is in the eagles hands right now....for a swap of 2 and 8 cleveland will accept a 3 this year and the birds 1 and 3 next year
What the farg? So the birds would give up this year's 1 & 3 and next year's 1 & 3 to get the number 2 pick in the weakest draft class I've ever seen?
Way to try and undo all of the good offseason work Howie, you farging dimwitted farg.
why is this happening
This is going to suck.
I do not want them trading up. Stupid farging idiots.
Why not? Who needs second and third round draft picks? Not the Philadephia Eagles, that's who.
Pederson himself and obviously Howie know that Pederson is out of his league being a hc right now and is most likey going to crash and burn....add in all the accountability talk that lurie put out there this off season and I think Howie is like farg it...what do I care if i blow up two different drafts...getting a franchise qb and getting one as quickly as possible is my only chance to be employed in three years
from day one of the Howie era its been pedal to the metal and this trade would be more of the same....this aint no five year plan
Remember those crazy days when the Eagles would stockpile picks?
This team, this FO, this organization is slowly turning me as bitter as Rome.
With the rumors Goff is going #1, these mental defectives at the complex are going to mortgage the future for a DII QB who has played two years.
COUNT ME OUT
Time to go enjoy the Phillies.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 19, 2016, 10:46:44 PM
Why not? Who needs second and third round draft picks? Not the Philadephia Eagles, that's who.
And it's not even like they're doing it for a top notch can't miss player
It's for either a farging division II QB or a dude who should really be a late 1st rounder
Quote from: MDS on April 19, 2016, 10:15:11 PM
why is this happening
I am convinced I must have really sinned in my previous life. Not digging this payback shtein.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 19, 2016, 10:48:41 PM
Remember those crazy days when the Eagles would stockpile picks?
Yeah, but they kinda wasted a lot of those picks anyway. This team has had maybe two really good drafts in the last 15 years, why should they change that now?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2016, 10:01:58 PM
decision is in the eagles hands right now....for a swap of 2 and 8 cleveland will accept a 3 this year and the birds 1 and 3 next year
I have no problem with that trade. The Rams and skins gave up a hell of a lot more to move up. My problem is with who the pick will be. if it actually happens I'll criticize it now but I'll give the move two years before I rip into Howie. The guy was going to take Russell Wilson before the Seahawks snatched him 4 picks earlier...maybe he sees something.
Quote from: SD on April 20, 2016, 05:11:05 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 19, 2016, 10:01:58 PM
decision is in the eagles hands right now....for a swap of 2 and 8 cleveland will accept a 3 this year and the birds 1 and 3 next year
I have no problem with that trade. The Rams and skins gave up a hell of a lot more to move up.
he flamed out of course but at least rg3 was a rare prospect who carried an elite grade...that why he cost more.....I have no idea why the rams did what they did and the eagles would be just as dumb to move up
I'm not in favor of the move, if I'm GM I stay at 8 and take BPA or maybe trade a 3rd to move up a bit for Bosa. But if this happens - and I have a feeling it's going to - I'll give it two years before I rip Howie. Year one will be sit and learn period for Wentz. Year two we see if he can play. This isn't 15 years ago where QBs took 2-3 years to develop. Now you know if they can play right off the bat. If he works then Howie deserves high praise, he gets a franchise QB at a good price and they save $20 million a year of cap space not having to pay a QB. If it doesn't work he has to be gone because that's too big of a mistake to make.
Quote from: SD on April 20, 2016, 09:10:57 AM
I'm not in favor of the move, if I'm GM I stay at 8 and take BPA or maybe trade a 3rd to move up a bit for Bosa. But if this happens - and I have a feeling it's going to - I'll give it two years before I rip Howie. Year one will be sit and learn period for Wentz. Year two we see if he can play.
oh for sure...ive said again and again I have no ability whatsoever to evaluate qb's...so im not going to go ape shtein and trash the move by saying carson wentz or jared goff sucks....and in fact it will be exciting to follow the progress of whoever it is they get and have that hope that they got a franchise qb...but the problem is that I don't think anyone in the nfl has any ability to evaluate qb's either so why give up a gaggle of picks...
and heres the real kicker to me why I really hate the move and why it absolutely reeks of desperation....the eagles would be making this move without even knowing who they would be picking...they would in essence be taking the rams sloppy seconds...how the farg could you give up those three picks without even being locked in on one guy....its preposterous to me...they are just pissing in the wind and hoping not to get wet in order to get ANY qb that by a small chance might become a franchise guy
I don't get the offseason moves if the plan is to start over at QB.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 20, 2016, 10:05:42 AM
I don't get the offseason moves if the plan is to start over at QB.
which is why I wonder if this just BS that the eagles are giving out to, anonymous sources/agents/media.
its not BS....schefter has alredy reported that the eagles wanted #1 but without the second rounder this year they weren't able to offer enough
as for this deal numerous outlets with multiple sources are reporting that the deal is essentially in place...its just whether the eagles wanna pull the trigger or not...whether you believe its that close or not is one thing...but this isn't an eagle smokescreen...that wouldn't make sense anyway...what would lying about trading up to number 2 get the eagles?
FWIW Mayock has Wentz/Goff ahead or Mariota/Winston
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The statement I'm going to make to you guys, and you can tell me whether you agree or not, is I'm at the point now with both Wentz and Goff where I think they're every bit as good, if not better, than Winston and Mariota from a year ago as prospects," Mayock said.
http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/03/mike_mayock_nfl_draft_goff_wentz_winson_mariota.html
nobody is perfect and im not bringing this up to say hes wrong about wentz/goff (he has no idea) but did you read the link of his draft mess ups...
the fireman was his boy!!
Oh I know it's all a crapshoot - especially with QBs - but I'm just trying to shed some light on the doom and gloom.
Like you said, at the very least it will be exciting to watch a QB develop. I think Wentz has all the tools to be a top QB. Of course that means next to nothing but at least it's a starting point.
I just can't shake the feeling that both Goff and Wentz aren't worthy of top picks and they only reason they're in the mix is because the QB class this year is weak. They're up there by default and its like teams are talking themselves into these dudes being worthy of top picks.
I really hope they don't blow their whole draft on a QB. Yes they need one but I don't think either one of these are worth it.
a hypothetical: zeke elliot at 8 or give up those picks for a qb?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2016, 11:42:16 AM
a hypothetical: zeke elliot at 8 or give up those picks for a qb?
I'd go QB. RBs don't win you SBs and I'll take the chance on a guy with a high ceiling over a lesser valued position.
Mayock was just on WIP with Ray Diddy, he pretty much reiterated what he said in the above article. They were talking about how good Wentz's pro day was. Mayock said "well the best pro day for a QB I ever saw was Jemarcus Russell so....".
he had to throw that out there.
Quote from: SD on April 20, 2016, 11:52:32 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2016, 11:42:16 AM
a hypothetical: zeke elliot at 8 or give up those picks for a qb?
I'd go QB. RBs don't win you SBs and I'll take the chance on a guy with a high ceiling over a lesser valued position.
Mayock said "well the best pro day for a QB I ever saw was Jemarcus Russell so....".
pretty much goes to what I always say...the smartest evaluator on the planet (whoever it is) still has little to no idea how good a qb is going to be
QB is obviously > RB but all those picks for at best a coin flip on whether your QB is good or not much less a franchise guy?
i think id go against my first round rule and take the RB if those were the choices...zeke at least is almost a sure thing and comes at no cost
I'm not that high on zeke. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be a fine player, I just don't see him as ever being elite.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2016, 11:42:16 AM
a hypothetical: zeke elliot at 8 or give up those picks for a qb?
Elliot all day long
Done deal
Just announced
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
hearing trade went through
eagles get
#2 overall 2016
conditional 4th 2017
browns get
#8 overall 2016
3rd rd 2016
4th rd 2016
1st rd 2017
2nd rd 2018
looks like they kept a 3rd this year
1st 2016
3rd 2016
4th 2016
1st 2017
2nd 2017
Get
2nd overall
4th round 2017
Dumb...just dumb.
I was coming around to the idea of Elliott at 8, but this move potentially cripples the future of the franchise.
They gave up way too much over way too long of a time period
Silver lining...and I am stretching to find SOME positive here
they kept a third this year.
farging Howie is like a goddamn ADHD GM...sit the farg still and don't give up so much. But no...he's just gotta do it.
farging angry as farg right now
Jesus farging christ.
Quote from: SD on April 20, 2016, 02:10:49 PM
They gave up way too much over way too long of a time period
This.
i still cant get over the fact they gave all that up and don't know who they are getting for it
Go defense if that's the case.
Unless Howie annouces in the presser that he traded Bradford to the Broncos this makes no sense whatsoever.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on April 20, 2016, 02:02:33 PM
Dumb...just dumb.
I was coming around to the idea of Elliott at 8, but this move potentially cripples the future of the franchise.
Well, more crippled. But the good news is they'll still be terrible enough to pick early in two years when they fire everybody from this shteinshow regime.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2016, 02:14:31 PM
i still cant get over the fact they gave all that up and don't know who they are getting for it
Supposedly they're fine with either QB. Seems consensus among insiders the Rams will pick Goff.
Howie is on NFLN right now
Howie sounds pretty confident he knows who the Rams are taking
you know Howie called chip to say hi, from the #2 spot.
Quote from: SD on April 20, 2016, 02:21:03 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2016, 02:14:31 PM
i still cant get over the fact they gave all that up and don't know who they are getting for it
Supposedly they're fine with either QB.
of course they are
we are going to trade a million picks away and be happy with whatever we end up with....its all good
has that ever happened in the history of sports where a team gave away this much and didn't know exactly what they were getting back?
on the bright side after this thing destroys the franchise, roseman and that bumbling moron coach will be somewhere on beach jerking each other off
i really blame lurie for this. he created this gross situation for PP and def. signed off on this deal because hes in love with wentz. CARSON WENTZ. FROM NORTH DAKOTA. A fargING WORTHLESS STATE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE WITH MORE CHURCHES THAN EDUCATED PEOPLE I CANT
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Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2016, 02:14:31 PM
i still cant get over the fact they gave all that up and don't know who they are getting for it
Supposedly they're fine with either QB.
of course they are
we are going to trade a million picks away and be happy with whatever we end up with....its all good
has that ever happened in the history of sports where a team gave away this much and didn't know exactly what they were getting back?
Are you watching his presser? He all but said he knows who the Rams are taking.
I don't care about the players in the conversation, really...but I just don't like the idea of giving up that much on a crapshoot; and the draft is a crapshoot. Should be able to get value at 8, especially this year when unworthy QBs are going 1-2. I'm not saying they'd hit at 8, but they'd have more picks over the next few years where the odds are better at hitting on winners. Just don't like the strategy overall.
so bradford has to go now, right?
like they cant go into the season with him as the 1 and wentz inactive. you cant trade all this for a guy and then sit him. you cant. they will.
I haven't been following things real closely but, I thought they got rid of Chip?
Quote from: MDS on April 20, 2016, 02:39:49 PM
so bradford has to go now, right?
like they cant go into the season with him as the 1 and wentz inactive. you cant trade all this for a guy and then sit him. you cant. they will.
They spent too much money on him to dump him this season, so they probably will do exactly that. Him and Cox in a package deal for a late 2nd rounder this year.
Quote from: MDS on April 20, 2016, 02:39:49 PM
so bradford has to go now, right?
like they cant go into the season with him as the 1 and wentz inactive. you cant trade all this for a guy and then sit him. you cant. they will.
roster hit would be massive...cant do it until next year...gotta hope he blows up this year then recoup some of the picks by trading him....which is funny cause the better Bradford does the dumber the trade up is
Quote from: SD on April 20, 2016, 02:37:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2016, 02:31:36 PM
Quote from: SD on April 20, 2016, 02:21:03 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2016, 02:14:31 PM
i still cant get over the fact they gave all that up and don't know who they are getting for it
Supposedly they're fine with either QB.
of course they are
we are going to trade a million picks away and be happy with whatever we end up with....its all good
has that ever happened in the history of sports where a team gave away this much and didn't know exactly what they were getting back?
Are you watching his presser? He all but said he knows who the Rams are taking.
i definitely believe him....especially because he would look like a total moron if he said otherwise...you also cant say wed be happy with either but we know who the rams are taking...basically hes saying no matter what we know exactly what we are doing
Howie structured Bradford's deal so they can trade him this offseason and just lose a few million this off-season, but I think he implied they would be keeping Bradford this year anyway. Which of course means nothing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2016, 02:46:40 PM
roster hit would be massive...cant do it until next year...gotta hope he blows up this year
Parts of him blow up every year and it hasn't helped anyone.
While I think this is incredibly dumb based upon past outcomes of this type of trade, I can't fault them too much for a big swing at making the team legit, given the presumed ceiling with Bradford.
Problem is Wentz is an even bigger ???? than most QBs.
I wish they had Puppy Hitler back.
A North Dakota division 2 QB is worth all that.
They have a shtein ton of money wrapped up in Fragile Sam and Two First Names but now they piss away their draft and go get some division two schmoe.
Howie.
We should take a CF trip to the draft to boo the pick. That seemed to work out the last time.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2016, 02:55:53 PM
A North Dakota division 2 QB is worth all that.
They have a shtein ton of money wrapped up in Fragile Sam and Two First Names but now they piss away their draft and go get some division two schmoe.
Howie.
It isn't the brightest move ever, but I'll take it over putting all their money in RBs.
They should deal Chip's BFF Sam to SF
Get him out of here.
I mean...STL dumps him off on Kelly. And now both the Rams and Eagles mortgage their futures to go replace Bradford.
tomorrow morning:
angelo: this is the worst move in the history of football! FIRE HOWIE!
gargano: yoooo cuz dis is awesome, bo!
Over under on the number of times Jeffrey uses the word bold in his first presser?
Interesting with Chase Daniels on the roster how a quarterback wasn't included in the deal. Cleveland really wanted Bradford last year. Maybe Howie has someone else in the wings that will give up some better draft material for one of the QBs. Be surprised if somebody took on Daniels contract though.
Quote from: MDS on April 20, 2016, 03:06:27 PM
tomorrow morning:
angelo: this is the worst move in the history of football! FIRE HOWIE!
gargano: yoooo cuz dis is awesome, bo!
Until Angelo gets someone from the Eagles brass on, Doug or Howie, and then he'll suck them off.
Kinda like Jaws is doing to Wentz right now.
For the second season in a row, I will not be subscribing to the NFL package. farg the Eagles.
I love the move.
Howie Magic.
Soooo, everyone ready for the draft ?
I think Howie was being pretty shrewd there. If the Eagles didn't show strong signs of turning things around quickly, he would be on the hot seat at the end of the season. If they actually keep Bradford and the new QB is a bit of a project, he has just bought himself two maybe three more years.
Quote from: smeags on April 20, 2016, 04:16:53 PM
Soooo, everyone ready for the draft ?
Wasn't planning on watching it, now I can watch even less. Total win/win for me.
I say this with a slight bit of sarcasm and a lot of truth: I miss REALLY caring about football. Sometimes I still want to really care, but it just doesn't happen. I still kind of care, but nothing like those halcyon years. There's an old me that would have been batshtein crazy pissed about this. Now, I'm like...meh, seems stupid, but whatever. I've either grown or been beaten down; maybe both.
I like the move. I'm no scout, but I think both Goff and Wentz have top 10 QB potential from what I've seen. If that is true, the move was worth it. Unless you have a generational defense, you can't win a Superbowl in the NFL without a stud QB. It all starts with that. If you don't have one, you just tread water for years and years. I applaud the Eagles for taking the risk and trying to fix the QB problem that has plagued the Eagles for a decade. It really has been that long if you think about it. They've had a few stretches here and there of good QB play, but since the Superbowl season, their QB play has left a lot to be desired. The back end years of McNabb weren't even that great.
Besides the quarterback I also don't think we will be able to judge the deal until we see what we get back in trade compensation for a quarterback.
I don't understand this move. Which QB are they going to pay millions so he can be inactive?
Bradford, once he gets injured. And the rookie until like week 13.
If the quarterback turns out to be a bust, Howie gets fired. If the quarterback turns out to be average, Howie gets fired. If the quarterback turns out to be a HOF'er, Howie will still end up getting fired because everyone always gets fired, but at least he will have been shrewd enough to pick a HOF'er.
Also - how awesome would it be if the Eagles shock everyone and take the fat body tackle, or even better, find a team that is desperate enough to give them back even more than they gave up to get there?
PS: No matter what happens, if they stay at #2 and actually pick someone, I get to go to sleep earlier because the next day is a work day and Romey needs his beauty sleep.
#WINNING
Just realized the 2nd is from 2018 not next year
Yay
just realized that if wentz is good they can fire doofus doug and hire a real coach
If Wentz is good, it'll be because Dougie P is coaching him up.
I'd feel better about this if I didn't think Pederson would be the dumbest poster on the board if he signed up tomorrow.
Hmmmm I don't know about that one, buddy.
He doesn't exude leadership or intelligence.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 20, 2016, 11:08:03 PM
I'd feel better about this if I didn't think Pederson would be the dumbest poster on the board if he signed up tomorrow.
lol this is quite the stretch but actually kinda accurate
It's the Eagles coach.
https://youtu.be/HB-RQdZI024
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 20, 2016, 11:25:26 PM
He doesn't exude leadership or intelligence.
Don't disagree with that at all.
Wish he would've hired a stronger willed OC because he's going to need the coordinators to win
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 20, 2016, 07:42:01 PM
Just realized the 2nd is from 2018 not next year
Yay
yeah...the picks they're giving up are spread out. i'm not crying over the trade...it's fine.
I minute I am kinda on board with this, the next minute I want to punch a kitten.
guess you could say im on the fence. also, im cruel to kittens.
Or you hate Hoydas. Either way I buy it.
Quote from: Rome on April 21, 2016, 12:09:04 PM
Or you hate Hoydas. Either way I buy it.
You may be onto something.
We're all on board, regardless of whether we want to or not. At least we're all in this together?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 20, 2016, 11:08:03 PM
I'd feel better about this if I didn't think Pederson would be the dumbest poster on the board if he signed up tomorrow.
lol
he truly is a dumb farg who would pimp out his own daughter if jeff or howie asked him to
Quote from: hbionic on April 21, 2016, 12:28:03 PM
We're all on board, regardless of whether we want to or not. At least we're all in this together?
If you mean like human sacrifices being tossed into Polynesian volcanoes to appease the gods, yes.
So what if the Rams take Wentz?
How do you feel about Goff?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2016, 03:24:26 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 20, 2016, 11:08:03 PM
I'd feel better about this if I didn't think Pederson would be the dumbest poster on the board if he signed up tomorrow.
lol
he truly is a dumb farg who would pimp out his own daughter if jeff or howie asked him to
That would still make him a better father than Andy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2016, 03:42:12 PM
So what if the Rams take Wentz?
How do you feel about Goff?
That worries me a little, seeing the amount of Wentz fluffing going on in the media right now.
I liked Goff better from the beginning. He's ready to go right away, which is not what I think the Eagles need. Wentz has longer upside. Either way is definitely workable, though.
Not gonna happen but what do they do if Bradford lights it up and somehow takes them deep into the playoffs?
Does Wentz sit like Rodgers had to?
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on April 22, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2016, 03:42:12 PM
So what if the Rams take Wentz?
How do you feel about Goff?
That worries me a little, seeing the amount of Wentz fluffing going on in the media right now.
I liked Goff better from the beginning. He's ready to go right away, which is not what I think the Eagles need. Wentz has longer upside. Either way is definitely workable, though.
I give Goff a slight edge over Wentz - but yeah, this foregone conclusion that LA is taking Goff seems like a big assumption. I saw a couple of Rams reporters say that they preferred Wentz.
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2016, 12:13:17 PM
Not gonna happen but what do they do if Bradford lights it up and somehow takes them deep into the playoffs?
Does Wentz sit like Rodgers had to?
Of course not, they'll make him start for the hypothetical NFCCG.
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2016, 12:13:17 PM
Not gonna happen but what do they do if Bradford lights it up and somehow takes them deep into the playoffs?
Does Wentz sit like Rodgers had to?
These are the kinds of questions that I suspect weren't asked/answered before the deal was done. Sitting didn't hurt Rodgers, that's for sure. But Christ, can any team afford to have a #2 pick inactive? Some point here, Cox gonna have to get paid...
Quote from: Rome on April 22, 2016, 12:13:17 PM
Not gonna happen but what do they do if Bradford lights it up and somehow takes them deep into the playoffs?
Does Wentz sit like Rodgers had to?
all a run like that would do is increase Bradford's trade value. that's if he doesn't end up in Denver via trade by the draft.
If they trade him, then what did they get for his signing this year? Security in case they couldn't make a trade up? That's a pile of money as a hedge against the chance you won't be able to get into Wentz or Goff.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 22, 2016, 01:39:39 PM
If they trade him, then what did they get for his signing this year? Security in case they couldn't make a trade up? That's a pile of money as a hedge against the chance you won't be able to get into Wentz or Goff.
I don't know it was planned this way(could've been), just that I wouldn't be surprised to see Bradford go during this draft. if Denver resigns him I don't think the eagles get crushed in dead money. I may be wrong on that part as im no cap guru.
I do think that his deal was a relatively cap friendly hedge in case a longer term QB couldn't be drafted. But if Bradford tears up the NFL this year, that's great. I'd be happy to make the 2017 starter a little more difficult of a decision. It's kind of an enviable position to be in.
rosey magic
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 22, 2016, 12:21:57 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on April 22, 2016, 11:15:51 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 21, 2016, 03:42:12 PM
So what if the Rams take Wentz?
How do you feel about Goff?
That worries me a little, seeing the amount of Wentz fluffing going on in the media right now.
I liked Goff better from the beginning. He's ready to go right away, which is not what I think the Eagles need. Wentz has longer upside. Either way is definitely workable, though.
I give Goff a slight edge over Wentz - but yeah, this foregone conclusion that LA is taking Goff seems like a big assumption. I saw a couple of Rams reporters say that they preferred Wentz.
but the non football guy gm who spent the last year working out of a novacare broom closet knows exactly who the rams are taking
Yep. That's right.
And you haven't answered pal
What if it's Goff?
What if Wentz gets in a bad car accident this weekend? This is Philly team luck we are talking about here.
On the other hand this is in direct opposition to Cleveland team luck since they need a QB and passed up on Wentz/Goff, so there is that. Which jinx will prevail?
A quarterback class so bad even the team that drafts every quarterback is passing on it? I'm sold!
Quote from: General_Failure on April 22, 2016, 09:39:27 PM
A quarterback class so bad even the team that drafts every quarterback is passing on it? I'm sold!
lol
the team that took Johnny manzeil opted out
Trollllllol
NFL Network is replaying the first rounds of the last several years and they're up to 2015. The 2014 was on previously and I actually got pissed off a second time after they picked Marcus Bust III and passed on Kelvin Benjamin.
I hate this team so much I want to grudge farg it.
I was more pissed they didn't trade up a few spots for Ha Ha
I made the same mistake watching some of those drafts from the past. Made me feel a little better as there were numerous teams that were as brain dead as the birds.
this is turning into such a hot mess I have a dream they trade down and get some 2nd and 3rd rounders this year and next.
Such an underwhelming draft this year.
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/if-sam-bradford-doesnt-want-competition-trade-him
Roob & Gunner annihilate Bradford's temper tantrum here. I actually cracked up when Gunn started talking to "Sam" directly.
So stupid, all of this.
i get the whole be a professional thing with Bradford and be happy with all your money but at the same time two seconds after he signed witht he eagles they go out and get the head coaches ex qb who he loves and trade the farm for a young qb...so while couch potato eagle spokesman/fan roob might not get it and wanna scream at Bradford for being a baby hes still a man who was probably told certain things but saw actions that went against everything he was being told and now basically feels like he has zero place or support currently on this team much less in the future...i mean think about this....come Thursday at around 830 pm Bradford is going to be doug pedersons third favorite qb on the roster....this is not really the way you want your supposed starting qb to feel
i think Howie being a non personable nerd learning from banner all those years often forgets that these are human beings hes dealing with not just commodities and in this case it has created a little bit of a mess
Or maybe Howie had no idea he'd be able to move up to #2 for Wentz and did his best with what he had at the time. Keep in mind, Bradford made the decision to sign BEFORE free agency started. He signed a short term deal meaning all bets are off regarding a future with the team. I hope he's traded, the $11 million cap hit is irrelevant. The problem is compensation, they're probably not getting more than a 3rd for him so why even bother trading him.
if they can get a 2nd I'd pounce on it. hopefully the broncos, jets or some other team wants to offer that up but not sure. closer to the draft the better I guess.
Absolutely nothing had changed for Bradford since signing his deal. He's still on essentially a 1 yr deal and is playing for a big payday.
I don't care how much or how little he's making. Stfu and do your job.
If Bradford really believes in his own talent like he claims he has all these years, I don't understand what he thinks the threat is. If he plays like a top 10 QB in 2016, the team either lets him play out his contract with an option to stay if Wentz isn't developing, or ships him off somewhere willing to pay him big bucks long term.
Of course if he really thinks he's going to continue putting up mediocre performances, then he should be worried. Maybe that's the issue here.
I guess the one valid complaint would be that by trading up for a QB the Eagles aren't improving the talent around Bradford, but that probably wasn't going to be the case even if they kept their old picks. They've been drafting WRs high every year and the talent level has not improved, and it wasn't a sure thing another WR or an O-lineman who could come in and start right away was in the cards anyway.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 26, 2016, 10:00:14 AM
Absolutely nothing had changed for Bradford since signing his deal.
lololol what?
for beginners theres no guarantee he starts week 1 which has to concern him and his agent as far as a future payday...i have to believe if its even close in camp Pederson is giving the job to daniel...and while i don't think its likely if wentz blows up in the preseason and whoever the starter is opening day has a rough week or two then you have the entire city coming down on Daniel or Bradford and calling for wentz....and who the hell knows what this administration will do then...again i don't think it will happen but would it shock me if Pederson/Howie/lurie tried out wentz at some point next year....hell farging no it wouldnt
basically Bradford went from unequivocal no brainer starting qb when he signed to now fighting for the starting job with a qb who is a favorite of his head coach and who they paid massive "back-up" qb money for and having a rookie qb who they paid a shtein ton for breathing down his neck
you can say you think Bradford will be the starter this season but you are insane if you don't think anything has changed since he signed
If Bradford doesn't think he comfortably outperform a 29 year-old career backup and a kid who has started for an FCS team for two years, I'm not sure why he thinks he deserves to start for the Eagles.
its not what Bradford thinks its how he feels...probably didn't feel very welcomed or supported before he signed with the eagles....now hes like what the hell is going on
again its easy for couch potato football fans like me or you to just sit back and say shut up and play but that's not how real life works
If this was the plan I don't understand why Howie didn't wait until closer to the draft to pull the trigger. If he has any interest in trading Bradford, he shouldn't have given him the opportunity to get all salty about the trade.
This is 90% on Bradford and his agent and 10% on Howie.
Like QB said - if he doesn't believe he can beat out a backup and a Div II rookie then he's got a problem.
Its not like he was some superstar QB last year or at any point in his career. His sense of entitlement here is strong.
none of its really on anyone.....its just life
Bradford didn't do anything.....hes trying to make a better position for himself than being on a team where his coach prefers daniel and his gm and owner prefer wentz...remember he went from complete free agency to all this...that cant be easy
Howie could have handled the whole thing differently from a team/roster perspective.....but i dont think he didn't anything wrong per se directly to sam Bradford unless he lied about getting Daniel and more or less promised the starting job to Bradford this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2016, 10:27:16 AM
its not what Bradford thinks its how he feels...probably didn't feel very welcomed or supported before he signed with the eagles....now hes like what the hell is going on
again its easy for couch potato football fans like me or you to just sit back and say shut up and play but that's not how real life works
thats bs...this is the real world and the big boy league
dude has a 1 year deal, is getting paid and has a starting job. play football. not everything works out just so. if it did, he wouldve had his 5 year deal from the broncos or jets or something. but he didnt.
i get why hes angry and whats hes feeling, but hes gotta suck it up. dont run to your agent and have him complain on his behalf, thats a bitch move.
so, about this draft coming up here ...
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2016, 11:06:44 AM
so, about this draft coming up here ...
Birds have a 3rd and two 5ths, I hope they move up to the 2nd round and grab a wr
Quote from: MDS on April 26, 2016, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2016, 10:27:16 AM
its not what Bradford thinks its how he feels...probably didn't feel very welcomed or supported before he signed with the eagles....now hes like what the hell is going on
again its easy for couch potato football fans like me or you to just sit back and say shut up and play but that's not how real life works
dude has a starting job.
i get why hes angry and whats hes feeling, but hes gotta suck it up. dont run to your agent and have him complain on his behalf, thats a bitch move.
he absolutely does not have a starting job that's the whole point and if you don't realize that then you don't get why hes angry or what hes feeling
also you have to complain right now as much as possible from the agent and the player as its leading up to the draft when there is the more likelihood of a deal...once the draft ends I suspect everything will calm down and Bradford will show up to the offseason mandatory's
Quote from: SD on April 26, 2016, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2016, 11:06:44 AM
so, about this draft coming up here ...
Birds have a 3rd and two 5ths, I hope they move up to the 2nd round and grab a wr
would be nice to see them find a way to get back in the 2nd. with all this Bradford talk, is there any chance the eagles pull off another big deal and trade both samantha and fletch to reload a few picks ?
I feel so bad for Sammycakes. He has no guarantee about his job and only several million dollars given to him prior to playing a snap this year to cushion the blow. How can he possibly go on?!?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2016, 11:28:30 AM
Quote from: MDS on April 26, 2016, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2016, 10:27:16 AM
its not what Bradford thinks its how he feels...probably didn't feel very welcomed or supported before he signed with the eagles....now hes like what the hell is going on
again its easy for couch potato football fans like me or you to just sit back and say shut up and play but that's not how real life works
dude has a starting job.
i get why hes angry and whats hes feeling, but hes gotta suck it up. dont run to your agent and have him complain on his behalf, thats a bitch move.
he absolutely does not have a starting job that's the whole point and if you don't realize that then you don't get why hes angry or what hes feeling
also you have to complain right now as much as possible from the agent and the player as its leading up to the draft when there is the more likelihood of a deal...once the draft ends I suspect everything will calm down and Bradford will show up to the offseason mandatory's
hes going to be the starter week 1 if he wants it. now hes leash might be shorter than others, but so what. play better. win games. if the dude cant hold off chase daniel and some 1AA nobody then he needs to go back to his tornado alley ranch and never come back.
i dont have an issue with him looking for a spot to call home for a while, but the market didnt allow such a thing for him. his best offer was a 1 year deal with the eagles. he took it. if he keeps winning games, carson wentz and chase daniel will never step on the field.
its 50/50 between him and Daniel for the day 1 starter...you don't pay that much money for a back up that the guy you hired used to coach and loves and don't think he has an equal shot at starting
now I happen to think Bradford is better and will win the job but thats far different than what Bradford was facing when he signed with the eagles....right now its an open competition and Bradford has to feel like and hes probably not wrong in feeling the coach is hoping the other guy wins it
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2016, 11:56:37 AM
I feel so bad for Sammycakes. He has no guarantee about his job and only several million dollars given to him prior to playing a snap this year to cushion the blow. How can he possibly go on?!?
why would anyone feel sorry for him?...or is this your unhealthy obsession coming out again with athletes and how they get paid to much for playing a game youd gladly play for free
scenario - you're the GM.
the rams just farged everything up for the eagles by taking wentz.
whats your move ?
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2016, 12:53:31 PM
scenario - you're the GM.
the rams just farged everything up for the eagles by taking wentz.
whats your move ?
Put the pick up for sale for someone who wants Goff
no one has any idea that the eagles even like wentz more than goff....much less that they would trade the pick if wentz is taken
pretty clear from all they have said is that they just want a "franchise" qb and are going to take whichever one of the two the rams dont take
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2016, 01:28:26 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2016, 12:53:31 PM
scenario - you're the GM.
the rams just farged everything up for the eagles by taking wentz.
whats your move ?
Put the pick up for sale for someone who wants Goff
would you then deal with chipster ?
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2016, 01:40:28 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2016, 01:28:26 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2016, 12:53:31 PM
scenario - you're the GM.
the rams just farged everything up for the eagles by taking wentz.
whats your move ?
Put the pick up for sale for someone who wants Goff
would you then deal with chipster ?
Yep - I would deal with anyone who I could get max value from.
lol
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2016, 01:42:27 PM
Yep - I would deal with anyone who I could get max value from.
what would be your asking price ?
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2016, 02:22:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2016, 01:42:27 PM
Yep - I would deal with anyone who I could get max value from.
what would be your asking price ?
You'd have to at least get back in value what you gave up. Good news is, if the Rams go with Wentz, and other teams are as high on Goff as is rumored, the tight window and urgency could start a bidding war. That would be nice.
Quote from: Munson on April 26, 2016, 02:27:19 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2016, 02:22:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2016, 01:42:27 PM
Yep - I would deal with anyone who I could get max value from.
what would be your asking price ?
You'd have to at least get back in value what you gave up. Good news is, if the Rams go with Wentz, and other teams are as high on Goff as is rumored, the tight window and urgency could start a bidding war. That would be nice.
so you, as the GM wouldn't just take goff ?
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2016, 02:30:07 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 26, 2016, 02:27:19 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2016, 02:22:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 26, 2016, 01:42:27 PM
Yep - I would deal with anyone who I could get max value from.
what would be your asking price ?
You'd have to at least get back in value what you gave up. Good news is, if the Rams go with Wentz, and other teams are as high on Goff as is rumored, the tight window and urgency could start a bidding war. That would be nice.
so you, as the GM wouldn't just take goff ?
Like most others here I barely have any idea on how to rate a QB coming out of college. I'd probably take Goff unless I got blown away by an offer.
so the eagles just dropped a fleshpop ton of picks to get to number 2, now some of you think that they might trade the pick away? wow.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2016, 03:22:07 PM
so the eagles just dropped a fleshpop ton of picks to get to number 2, now some of you think that they might trade the pick away? wow.
exactly why I was lol'ing
people be really really dumb
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2016, 03:22:07 PM
so the eagles just dropped a fleshpop ton of picks to get to number 2, now some of you think that they might trade the pick away? wow.
Quote from: smeags on April 26, 2016, 12:53:31 PM
scenario - you're the GM.
the rams just farged everything up for the eagles by taking wentz.
whats your move ?
its a hypothetical scenario about what
you would do if you were the GM and the rams took wentz. I know superfans cant stop long enough to read a comprehend, but you may have missed the initial post.
personally i would just take goff at that point.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2016, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2016, 03:22:07 PM
so the eagles just dropped a fleshpop ton of picks to get to number 2, now some of you think that they might trade the pick away? wow.
exactly why I was lol'ing
people be really really dumb
Show me where I think that would happen.
I am saying what I would do. Why would I do it? Well I wouldn't have traded up to 2 in the first place
I would trade the number two pick back to Cleveland for their entire 2016 and 2017 drafts
this seems like fun
your guys turn
It's about as fun as your salty attitude
j coming in with some piping hot sports takes today
like it bo
future starts tonight.
I can't remember the last time I was this unenthusiastic about a draft. YAWN.
Quit lying. Your nipples could cut glass right now.
One has nothing to do with the other.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2016, 10:53:52 AM
One has nothing to do with the other.
very true, still hawt though.
Quote from: rjs246 on April 28, 2016, 10:51:37 AM
I can't remember the last time I was this unenthusiastic about a draft. YAWN.
it really is awful....you pretty much know who they are going to pick which equal boring and the guy they are going to pick = boring and you aren't happy about what they did to get to pick him
and even worse than any of that is that from #3 to #153 they have one pick
You think this draft is boring, wait til you see the next 2 seasons.
Howie says they want to start Bradford this year, but it would be a masterstroke if he could also use this as leverage to get a high pick from a team like Denver for him.
i already won the night
nfl app now has live stream of nfl network...which means NO BERMAN.
You get Mayock saying "this kid" x4000 and a screaming Deion and Irvin
mayock is terrific and the other 2 pale in comparison to the horrendousness of that fat slob
I was going to give the NFL Network a shot but they started off with Jerrah sitting behind a Donald Trump desk pretending to talk to someone on the phone and that was it for me. Buh bye.
ESPN isn't any better but Mel's hair still looks righteous, so...
Quote from: Rome on April 28, 2016, 08:09:34 PM
ESPN isn't any better but Mel's hair still looks righteous, so...
Did he spring for one of those Erik Estrada bolt-on wigs?
Quote from: MDS on April 28, 2016, 08:08:29 PM
mayock is terrific and the other 2 pale in comparison to the horrendousness of that fat slob
Berman blows but I can't watch Irvin and Deion
Mayock is the best just wish he'd forget how to say kid and film
I'm gonna go ahead and continue to keep football-related anything on mute. I think this whole music thing might catch on one day.
mayock gonna blow a load on this wentz cat
NFL Network coverage >>>> ESPN
nm
Assuming they stayed at 8 and elected to not pick Tunsil, who would they have selected? The way the round broke was pretty uninspiring. Maybe VH.
probably would have done exactly what the titans did
Getting closer ladies
Devontae Booker is who I'm hoping for
this is farging torture.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2016, 09:12:36 PM
Devontae Booker is who I'm hoping for
that would be horrendous
you almost have to go rb here....they cant go into the season with just instagram legend ryan mathews and geezer sproles
they have a million garbage picks tomorrow where you can get a rb anywhere....including udfa
they really should go best available non rb/qb but ideally you take an OL here
has leraven clark been picked?
he would be an amazing select
Not yet
Wouldn't hate it if he was
A lot of WTF picks in the late 2nd and 3rd so far
i thought the ravens would take him
also why did you say "getting closer" when they were still like 80 picks away from the birds
(http://i.imgur.com/gRk1uZm.gift)
J logic: 80 wins. Thrash will have 80 catches this season. Getting close fellas = 80 picks away
Ravens are having an Eagles esque draft
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
They pick soon. Watch the draft and you'd have a clue
Took a kid from byu, passed on uber talented OLine for higher character/floor kid in Stanley etc
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2016, 10:11:15 PM
They pick soon. Watch the draft and you'd have a clue
I don't hate myself nearly enough to sit through hours of this bullshtein when they have picks, let alone this year.
shon coleman would have been a good pick
leraven or sharone peake here
Huh...don't know enough right now to form an opinion
POLYNESIAN IN DA HOUSE!!
non-black pac-12 guy
holy shtein maybe howie did make those chip picks
Third round, is what it is. They need depth at OL and this poly can't be half as bad as that dog shtein we witnessed last year on the OL.
Time to wait forever again
Nice draft Howie
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2016, 10:20:07 PM
shon coleman would have been a good pick
leraven or sharone peake here
peake still around
Booker, Dixon and Perkins gone
Sucks Perkins is a Giant
I just noticed westernman is still there
he's like a second rounder
Listenbee
Lawler
Mills
That's who I want now
Longest name ever
OT
TCU
Giving any kind of shtein about college players is an idea I have a hard time wrapping my head around, but I'll never understand having opinions on them this deep in the goddamn draft.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 30, 2016, 03:13:50 PM
Giving any kind of shtein about college players is an idea I have a hard time wrapping my head around, but I'll never understand having opinions on them this deep in the goddamn draft.
it's pretty easy when you watch college football
that said I know nothing about this tackle except that nfl.com who goes out of their way to praise 7th round guys murdered this kid
they did this all backwards
should have went westerman then a back if you felt that strongly now they got a dime a dozen back and a seemingly zesty lineman
Mayock apparently had this dude as a 3rd rounder
Listenbee and Lawler still available
They are taking scooby wright
Pick traded to Minny
Trade: @Eagles send pick # 188 to Minnesota for pick # 196 in 6th round and pick # 240 in 7th round
awful
And why is this awful?
cause I was ready for a pick and now I have to wait
I think you'll survive the 20min wait
Crack a Genesee Cream open and enjoy
lol the cream
I'm at a bar blasting loose cannons
at home I'd at least get beats instead I have the fray or some shtein raping my ears
I'm headed out to the liquor store soon
Rum
Cream
Molson's
Gotta stock up
Eric Stryker is a guy I'd like to see get picked
mills is a very good pick
Howie asking if Aaron Hernandez is eligible for work release?
Are we doing grades or what?
I give the eagles an A-. I really liked that one pick that IGY hated.
B
This goes off the picks alone and doesn't take trades into consideration
It was bold moving up for Wentz. They've needed a franchise QB forever, his ceiling is high. All the tools, intangibles, smart kid, I like the risk.
With the rest of the picks who knows, at the very least they addressed their areas of need.
I love the Wentz pick and I also really liked the fat bodies they picked up. If you get any contributions from picks after the 5th round, it's all gravy. We all know that Wentz has to become a perennial pro bowler for this draft to be a success, though.
I'll give it an A- because I think Wentz is the real deal. I just wish they had taken more chances later in the draft with guys who had red flags and talent instead of taking the safer picks.
Wow dudes I was joking. This draft gets an F and no two ways about it.
So somewhere between an A+ and an F then?
Solid.
Quote from: Rome on May 01, 2016, 10:08:23 AM
So somewhere between an A+ and an F then?
Solid.
You mean somehwere between a J and an igy
Exactly.
This is what mediocre teams have to do. They have to go all-in because they're not bad enough to simply sit on the pick at the top and make the right choice. They have to give away future assets for a shot at getting a decade of greatness at the most important position.
Ask Green Bay, Pittsburgh, New England or Indy if they'd give up as much to get Rodgers, the rapist, Tommy or Peyton/Luck. I doubt any of them would hesitate for a second to do the same deal the Eagles did to get those guys.
The rest of the picks don't matter because the team mortgaged their future for Wentz. If he's good (say, clearly top 5), the draft is an A because it was unlikely that the Eagles were going to get a top franchise QB any other way. If he's not good, the draft is an F and the team is destined to be completely blown up within a few years.
I lean more toward F, but I truly have no idea how good Wentz will be and neither does anyone else.
I think Kiper is a clown but he's 100% correct about the Wentz trade. Even if he hits, the impact of sacrificing organizational depth will curse them for years to come. If more than two players from this draft make the team it'll be a mild shock. If more than two are still around in two years I'll be legitimately stunned.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 01, 2016, 10:29:51 AM
Even if he hits, the impact of sacrificing organizational depth will curse them for years to come.
I don't buy that. There were like 50% odds that the 1 and 3 this year were going to yield another Marcus Smith/Josh Huff or Danny Watkins/Curtis Marsh combo anyway. If Wentz is really good, only the whiniest negadelphian will be crying about the lost organizational depth. The Eagles could have 15 years to build around the guy.
The real threat is Wentz just not being that good.
Um. The fireman and Marcus Smith drafts prove my point. Throwing picks away has real long term impact. At least drafting SOMEONE gives you a chance of hitting. Drafting no one removes that possibility.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 01, 2016, 10:29:51 AMIf more than two players from this draft make the team it'll be a mild shock.
Wentz is a lock
Seumalo is a lock because he's better than Tobin and Molk at Guard.
I've seen enough of Smallwood to know he's at least as talented as Barner.
That's an easy 3.
Anything beyond that is a bonus but really no one should expect much contribution from 6th and 7th rounders. The one surprise was they didn't trade a 7th for a future 6th or two 7th for a future 5th or something like that. I know they didn't have many picks and they need camp bodies but they usually pull something like that off.
Someone's miserable attitude needs a big hug.
Eagles doing Eagles things. I don't know what that means but regardless, I'll be pulling for Wentz. Not so much because it's in the best interest of the franchise and its future success hinges on this guy...but more so because he's cute and I think he'd be a great lay.