Philadelphia Eagles
Draft pick: WR Nelson Agholor (No. 20 overall), DB Eric Rowe (No. 47 overall), LB Jordan Hicks (No. 84 overall), CB JaCorey Sheperd (No. 191 overall), CB Randall Evans (No. 196 overall), DE Brian Mihalik (No. 237 overall)
Day 1 grade: A-
Day 2 grade: B-
Day 3 grade: D+
Overall grade: B-
The skinny: Poor Agholor will have the distinction of being "Not Marcus Mariota" in Philly, but that doesn't matter. He'll be a great fit for Chip Kelly's offensive system. His return game is not to be underestimated either, and he's a picture-perfect replacement for Jeremy Maclin. Don't be surprised if he has the most catches of any rookie wideout next season. Rowe brings great coverage skills, and as a bonus, he can play both safety and corner. Hicks could turn out to be a quality player if he can stay healthy.
Bottom line: The team didn't land Marcus Mariota but certainly restocked the secondary and nabbed a perfect playmaker for Chip Kelly in Agholor.
Where did you lift that from?
cant rememeber...cbs maybe?
B
They addressed needs...didn't reach...didn't do anything spectacular. Loved their first two picks because they'll contribute immediately
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2015, 09:08:50 PM
cant rememeber...cbs maybe?
You agree with it?
You want us to copy and paste different grade summaries here, to keep it all in one place?
You are drunk?
You should be ignored?
i think you need two grades...ones for the picks themselves...
aggy - B - there were better players but it was a gigantic need and hes a good player
rowe - B - really cant grade this yet cause i dont know where thye are gonna try and play him...hes a A safety pick and a C- corner
hicks - D
jacory sheperd - B+ - really nice pick at this point hopefully is amends the watkins pick
randall evans - C - garbage but its so late so you have to weigh it properly
brian mihalik - D - clown show...i dont care when they made the pick..wont give it an F cause of his size
actual picks - C+/B
and one for the non picks
when you needed players and talent the 4th and 5th rounds really didnt cut it...the third next year counts for something tho - D+
overall draft C-
WR Nelson Agholor (No. 20 overall) - love it, A
DB Eric Rowe (No. 47 overall) - love it, A
LB Jordan Hicks (No. 84 overall) - confused C-
CB JaCorey Sheperd (No. 191 overall) - good with this, B
CB Randall Evans (No. 196 overall) - incomplete
DE Brian Mihalik (No. 237 overall) - see me after class
Overall B+
Quote from: Diomedes on May 02, 2015, 09:24:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 02, 2015, 09:08:50 PM
cant rememeber...cbs maybe?
You agree with it? - see above
You want us to copy and paste different grade summaries here, to keep it all in one place? - yes...this is what we do every year in this thread
You are drunk? - yes
You should be ignored? - yes...but not necessarily because im drunk
I don't know anything about these kids, so I won't offer grades. Glad it's a raft of new players rather than just one.
I used to go to the draft when it (and I) was in NYC. Wouldn't miss it, looked forward to it, etc.
This year, I literally forgot it was happening and woke up to wonder who the farg Nelson Agholar is and why he was a Philadelphia Eagle.
The circle of life.
Chip drafted only one whitey? WTF? Call Stephen A. I smell a racist.
Quote from: Don Ho on May 02, 2015, 09:44:31 PM
Chip drafted only one whitey? WTF? Call Stephen A. I smell a racist.
really two...rowe is slow and from utah
:-D
I mean ... Rowe had the 3rd best SPARQ profile out of 219 cornerbacks which is what's used to gauge athleticism...height/weight/speed/agility/jumping, and ran a 4.45 40, so...yeah.
game speed is different than 40 speed...a lot of times just because its a different kind of speed and a lot of times because of mis timing whether due to shadyness or just incompetency
either way rowe is safety fast not corner fast
not sure what sparc is but its probably as valuable as vorp
ill go games over sparc...but thats just me
It's just a way of combining your measureables, it's not really a debate thing. All it does is combine the physical traits I listed plus things like hand size to rank players based on athleticism/measureables.
The point is that Rowe is big and athletic. He measures very well in basically every category that matters for the position. I get the difference between game speed and 40 speed but he is big, jumps, and runs well.
http://www.topendsports.com/sport/gridiron/football-sparq.htm
Byron Jones was first fwiw
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 02, 2015, 11:37:46 PM
but he is big, jumps, and runs well.
why hes going to be a great safety
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 02, 2015, 11:42:00 PM
http://www.topendsports.com/sport/gridiron/football-sparq.htm
Byron Jones was first fwiw
I believe Hicks was also in the top 5 LBs for SPARQ. Clearly it's a thing Chip is looking at.
The guy who measures sleep time looks at crazy stat things? Get outta here.
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Bradley Cooper gives an A+
Philadelphia Eagles: B
The Eagles missed the playoffs last season, and defense was the main reason. The secondary, to be specific. And after Philly selected USC receiver Nelson Agholor in the first round (ostensibly to replace Jeremy Maclin), the really wise pick came in the second round with Utah's Eric Rowe, who's played cornerback and free safety at a high level. In the third round, the choice was Texas outside linebacker Jordan Hicks, who could be a pass-rusher in a rotational sense. Then, two cornerbacks from the Sunflower State: Kansas's JaCorey Shepherd (No. 191), and Kansas State's Randall Evans (No. 196). Shepherd, a former receiver, might be the bigger project of the two, while Evans is the more polished player.
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Philadelphia Eagles
Overview: Even after whiffing on Marcus Mariota, the Eagles kept their cool and made a lot of good draft-weekend moves. Not included here was a deal with Detroit that netted Philadelphia the Lions' 2016 third-round pick in exchange for the Eagles' 2015 fourth-rounder. I think it's good forward-thinking process for teams to make moves like that. Agholor will seamlessly replace Jeremy Maclin. Rowe was seen by some as a safety in the pre-draft phase, but will be a press corner in Philadelphia and is a good bet to start opposite Byron Maxwell right away. Hicks seems like a luxury pick considering the Eagles' inside linebacker depth, but will contribute on special teams and could replace Mychal Kendricks by as soon as 2016. Although Shepherd has athletic limitations, he was one of the best cornerbacks in college football last season. I'm admittedly not as familiar with Evans and Mihalik. This draft wound up generating few headlines, but I feel confident the Eagles got better. (And they get to keep Fletcher Cox!)
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Philadelphia Eagles
Best Pick: I love second-round pick Eric Rowe, a big corner who fits with what teams want now. He could also play safety if needed.
Questionable move: Third-round pick Jordan Hicks, a linebacker from Texas, has talent, but he has been plagued by injuries. The third might have been a little high.
Third-day gem: Sixth-round corner JaCorey Shepherd is a former receiver who has a lot of athletic ability. He has a chance to push for a roster spot.
Analysis: The Eagles didn't make the big move to go up and get Marcus Mariota, although they tried, so they kept their picks. They picked receiver Nelson Agholor in the first round, which I like. I love the Rowe pick as well. Nice job, Chip Kelly.
Grade: B+
I think the "B" grade is entirely fair considering the first two picks and the fact that they got a "3" for a "4" from Detroit.
If the Hicks pick gets Mychal Kendricks motivated to produce like he's capable of, it's a decent selection. I think they could have done better there, but when you get down that far into the talent pool, it's a dice roll anyway.
third round is not a dice roll.....and jordan hicks couldnt hold michael kendricks balls in his mouth.....cause they are so big
B for the picks is fair...but overall draft grade is lower because they did nothing from rounds 3-5
The only explanation for taking Hicks is this is Ryan's last season and maybe Kendricks too so they're thinking ahead. He was still a reach in the 3rd
I used to be entertained by the draft grades. But it's going to come down to how these guys come in and do or don't produce. Until then it's all projections and speculation. Seems like they filled a few needs without overly reaching in the early rounds. That's the one thing I don't want to see in the draft-- the quirky smarter than everyone picks that aren't value for the draft spot.
Quote from: SD on May 03, 2015, 11:53:19 AM
The only explanation for taking Hicks is this is Ryan's last season and maybe Kendricks too so they're thinking ahead. He was still a reach in the 3rd
Or he was the steal of the draft and the best pick in the history of the universe. Somewhere in between.
If he was such a steal, why didn't Chip take him in the first? Makes you think.
Chip being Chip. He didn't want to make every other GM feel like shtein. Gotta love the compassion.
That must be why he's collecting shtein quarterbacks like stray kittens.
If he wins too many Super Bowls too soon he might tire of the NFL and leave us for a return to college.
Is that what you want? Huh?? Answer me, goddamn you!!
Of course not, I know he's got to play the long con. He's gotta out-Coughlin Coughlin. Ten years between superbowls and no playoff wins between them. Nobody'll ever see it coming.
I was fine with it. They didn't take my favorite players in each round, but they took guys I liked, and didn't pull any Marcus Smith head scratchers.
Even Hicks I get, because DeMeco is coming off an achilles and for whatever reason, Chip doesn't like Kendricks, so he's probably gone after this upcoming season leaving you thin at ILB.
Addressed the secondary when it was the biggest issue of 2014 aside from QB.
Kelly should be able to scheme his way to points. He had one large need on offense. He filled it with his first shot then fired five bullets on defense. The Eagles traded down for Rowe without lighting significant assets on fire then robbed an opponent of a 2016 3rd when the 4th round no longer held an offensive lineman that provided positive EV. If Kelly is the offensive genius everyone seems to believe he is, this was a smart draft.
The Eagles did not squander the future to entertain Chip Kelly's past.
A
i love how trading two 5th rounders is "insignificant" to move up five spots in the draft....but trading a 4th in the current draft for a 3rd next year is highway robbery
eagles got rowe
miami got jordan phillips, bobby mccain and tony lippet
not saying the eagles made a mistake maybe rowe turns out to be a stud...i like the pick...but sayin what they gave up is insignificant but trading a 4th now for a 3rd next year is robbery is to look at it thru eaglee tinted sunglasses
because of these deals the eagles went went like 110 picks in the draft without getting a single player....whether you agree with the deals or not...it wasnt highway robbery and not getting any players in the middle of the draft is not insignificant
one ammendement to all that....im pretty sure the eagles also got a 6th or 7th rounder next year in the dolphin trade up
mel kiper....only teams he gave a grade in the A's were seattle A-, pittsburgh A-, baltimore A-, washington A-, jets A-.....next were the birds....
QuotePhiladelphia Eagles: B+
Top needs: S, G, CB, WR
Chip Kelly might not have the maestro he coveted to run his offense, but he didn't leave this draft empty-handed. He has put a premium on guys that will buy in, and I think he got those types and hit a couple home runs in the process. Nelson Agholor to me just screams "high floor." He's a great route runner, plucks the ball out away from his body, has the proven toughness of a return man -- you should hear Polian talk about that -- and is sneaky explosive. He can get behind defenses. I also think Eric Rowe at No. 47 overall was a steal. He is a great kid and offers up versatility (CB or S), and I thought he'd be a good value as early as the end of Round 1. Jordan Hicks was a bit of a reach, but I can see where depth need is, given the group they have at linebacker. JaCorey Shepherd was often overlooked at Kansas, but was a steady performer and certainly helps at cornerback. Eagles fans feeling let down by this draft should cheer up -- they got some good pieces. If Sam Bradford is indeed the answer, they can be back in the playoffs.
scouts inc pick by pick breakdown....
aggie
What he brings: He doesn't have elite explosiveness, but he's a smooth and sudden athlete with good route-running ability to gain separation from coverage. He'll never be a big-play threat on contested catch situations, but he's a quick and decisive runner after the catch and as a returner. He has the versatility to fill multiple roles in an offense.
How he fits: The Eagles fill one of their most pressing needs with this pick, and though Agholor is the No. 2 receiver left on our board at this point, he's a safer pick than UCF's Breshad Perriman. Agholor's ability to line up on the outside, work out of the slot and even work out of the backfield will make it easier for Chip Kelly to create favorable matchups without having to make substitutions. He also bolsters an already strong Eagles return game.
rowe
What he brings: He has very good size and length for the cornerback position, and figures to be a press corner or free safety in the NFL. He's a little tight in his movements, so he can struggle to stay with receivers in and out of their breaks. He's a very physical run defender.
How he fits: The Eagles allowed 21 passing touchdowns to receivers last year, which tied for third most in NFL, and they had already started to rebuild the secondary heading into the draft. Bradley Fletcher and Cary Williams are both gone. They signed Byron Maxwell and Walter Thurmond, but Thurmond signed a one-year deal and Brandon Boykin is a better nickelback than starter on the outside. Rowe is a perfect fit at corner in this press-zone heavy scheme and the Eagles also have a need at safety where he could line up if they feel he can help them there.
hicks
What he brings: There's a lot to like about Hicks' instincts, motor and range on tape, plus he tested well at the combine and he has the potential to develop into an effective special-teams contributor. However, he's on the lighter side for an inside linebacker prospect and struggles to anchor when he gets caught in a phone booth. He's also an inconsistent tackler with just adequate stopping power. Finally, he has had some problems staying healthy in the past, and Texas' decision to suspend him before the Longhorns played in the 2012 Alamo Bowl raises concern about his off-the-field decision-making.
How he fits: The Eagles traded for Kiko Alonso this offseason, and he is expected to start opposite the talented Mychal Kendricks. DeMeco Ryans will provide excellent depth as well, so inside linebacker doesn't appear to be much of a need at first glance. However, Kendricks, who has been the subject of trade rumors, is entering the final year of his rookie contract and Ryans, who turns 31 this year, is coming off a season-ending injury. Hicks is an excellent fit on the inside with the ability to push for a starting role early in his career in the Eagles' 3-4 scheme.
shep
What he brings: Shepherd comes with some tightness in off-man coverage but possesses fast eyes and is always aware in coverage. He also flashes the ability to anticipate and jump routes and has one of the best sets of ball skills we've evaluated in the 2015 cornerback class.
new randall
What he brings: Evans has exceptional size and length and brings above-average range. He has some tightness in off man coverage and is at his best in press, where he can utilize his length to turn and run with receivers. Evans also has the size to compete with bigger receivers in contested situations.
frankenstein
What he brings: Mihalik is on the taller side, so he has problems staying low at times, and he doesn't offer much as a pass-rusher. But he's got the length, toughness and strength to set the edge against the run. He fits best at defensive end in a base 3-4 defense.
yahoo, C-
http://sports.yahoo.com/photos/team-by-team-grades-for-the-2015-nfl-draft-1430719603-slideshow/
bleacher report
QuoteAgholor is tall without being freaky big and fast without being freaky fast. He's a polished route-runner and a fine complement to young Jordan Matthews, on whom the Eagles will rely. However, he's not (yet) Jeremy Maclin, and Matthews sure isn't DeSean Jackson.
Unless Agholor stuns everyone and plays like one of the marquee receivers in this draft, Kelly's decision to twice let an established star wideout walk and burn his first-rounder on a rookie to replace him will rightly be questioned.
On the other side of the scale, Rowe is a perfect fit for what the Eagles need in the secondary and an outstanding value at No. 47 overall. A flex corner/safety who could have been taken at the bottom of the first, Rowe's contributions will be felt right away.
More reinforcements for the defensive backs came in Round 6 with Shepherd. Almost the opposite of pricey free agent Byron Maxwell, Shepherd could push for time in a threadbare Eagles secondary.
Grade: C+
Why has there been no mention or talk of the UFA signings? Is it that bad?
cause they mostly suck.....devante davis and eric tomlinson were the exceptions....of the ones I know or have seen they are by far the two best...the rest seem to be culture guys devoid of much talent
dres anderson a wr was imo the top guy again of the ones I know (other than obviously la'el)....dres went to the 49ers
there were several safeties that were up there as the best available udfa's...surprised the eagles didn't bag one
of course the eagles cant magically make players come to them but overall the haul was one of the worst I can remember for them
Philadelphia Eagles
Best: CB Eric Rowe, Round 2 (No. 47 overall)
Some expected the Eagles to address the cornerback position in Round 1, but in Rowe, they might have done as well in the second round as they could have done in the first. Rowe has all the size teams are looking for now at cornerback and should make an immediate impact in the secondary.
Worst: LB Jordan Hicks, Round 3 (No. 84 overall)
It's not surprising that Philadelphia picked up a linebacker in the middle rounds, but from a value standpoint, they could have done better. Hicks anchored the Texas defense last year and should make the team, but as a top-100 pick, he was a reach. Philadelphia could likely have moved down a round and still gotten him -- if not two.