Go
does not compute
Does this settle once and for all the speculation about Mariotta?
...and Sanchez is a strong breeze away from being the starter.
I keep telling myself there has to be a master plan behind all of this.
Sam Bradford, 1st & 2nd this year for Kap?
ummmmmmmmmm
I hope to god they didnt give up any picks in this
I read someplace that the Eagles might be getting a 2nd, which would take off some of the sting. No idea if that's true, though.
do not understand, does not compute, wtf, life tilt, bahhhhhhhhh!QQ
Actually it was Ed who said it. Maybe he knows more.
Miss Howie yet? Seriously...wtf?
If it is true they are getting a 2nd rounder then its easier to take.
but still...WTFFFFFFFF
I'm scared.
threw up thai food, may be unrelated.
2nd rounder coming back
So, was the deal really Foles for the second rounder, with the provision that we take Bradford and his salary? This doesn't clarify the Mariota thing at all, really.
Sixers playbook? Tank this year and get...???
If this is the stand pat and get Cardale Jones plan, I LIKE IT!
Bradford will be a Jet in 8 weeks. Chip we trust!
So Bradford & a #2 for Nick Foles and people here are actually criticizing the trade?
I mean, seriously...
No one knows the details yet. All these rumors seem too good to be true. Watch them just swap 2nd rounders..
Soon this whole plan is going to come together and we are all going to figure it out, like the detective in the Usual Suspects with Chip strolling down the street like Keyser Soze, post-limp.
there are rumors/whispers that they swapped 1sts and the eagles gave up the 2nd
Latest...
Foles & 2015 #20 for Bradford & 2015 #10.
Steal.
QuoteJim Thomas @jthom1 3m3 minutes ago
Bradford-Foles trade involves exchange of picks in 2015, plus conditional picks in 2016. Deal is not signed yet.
I don't think it will be a swap of first rounders. Too good to be true.
I bet they swap 2nd rounders.
If they do end up swapping first rounders that significantly lessens my hissy fit over this off-season as it would significantly reduce the price they would need to pay to get MM who they are very obviously trying to get.
How about if they keep Bradford as the backup and trade Sanchez back to the Jets? That would make me laugh a lot.
Bob Grotz @BobGrotz
Heard from a source the Eagles flip-flopped first-round picks with Rams ... #Eagles get No. 10, #Rams No. 20 ... seriously
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on March 10, 2015, 05:08:27 PM
Bob Grotz @BobGrotz
Heard from a source the Eagles flip-flopped first-round picks with Rams ... #Eagles get No. 10, #Rams No. 20 ... seriously
If that's true then I'm down with this deal.
ESP article
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/02/nfl_team_prefer_sam_bradford_over_marcus_mariota.html
Quote
Jim Thomas @jthom1 32s32 seconds ago
I'm told by Rams that Bradford-Foles trade does NOT involve swap of first-round picks.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 11, 2014, 06:32:01 PM
He'll either settle down and become a good QB, or we'll be looking at the Sam Bradford Experience by week 8 next year and the cycle continues.
MM
Quote from: General_Failure on March 10, 2015, 05:21:38 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 11, 2014, 06:32:01 PM
He'll either settle down and become a good QB, or we'll be looking at the Sam Bradford Experience by week 8 next year and the cycle continues.
lol good call...
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on March 10, 2015, 04:51:46 PM
I don't think it will be a swap of first rounders. Too good to be true.
10 spots for a starting qb is fair value...now if they get their second as well its pure rapage...if they get any other picks its a great deal
Quote from: rjs246 on March 10, 2015, 04:53:17 PM
it would significantly reduce the price they would need to pay to get MM who they are very obviously trying to get.
it doesn't reduce the price it is the price...instead of trading foles and a gaggle of picks to the jets its foles for ten then a little less of a gaggle of picks to the jets for 6...foles was always gonna be a big part of this
It's looking like they didn't swap 1sts.
Hello pot, meet kettle:
logicalvoicesays says:
Mar 10, 2015 4:12 PM
Ahh Eagles. Year after Year after Year they say a guy will get them to the Lombardi and Year after Year they FAIL. LOL! The NFL would do that fanbase a favor by relocating them to another country to stop the insanity in that franchise. SAD ZERO RINGS! LOL! #HTTR
Quote from: SD on March 10, 2015, 05:34:09 PM
It's looking like they didn't swap 1sts.
shtein
my uneducated guess is this is chip's shot in the dark move to get MM
if it doesnt work, he will make due with bradford for a year
I thought foles would have had more market value than he apparently does
qb's are at a premium in todays nfl and I thought someone would give more than hes apparently drawing maybe even overpay for him
i mean christ aj feely brought back the 35th pick
I have a bad feeling this is Bradford for Foles and Bradford is Chip's guy moving forward. No significant picks involved.
Quote from: SD on March 10, 2015, 05:55:12 PM
I have a bad feeling this is Bradford for Foles and Bradford is Chip's guy moving forward. No significant picks involved.
NOPE
Chip's system requires a fragile quarterback with no knees to run around and throw to nobody. Its all very complicated, I'm sure you wouldn't understand.
Quote from: SD on March 10, 2015, 05:55:12 PM
I have a bad feeling this is Bradford for Foles and Bradford is Chip's guy moving forward. No significant picks involved.
As do I.
HOWARD ESKIN reports;
First round pick swap is not included
AND
Second round pick may not be included in the deal - that it could be a conditional.
Quote from: SD on March 10, 2015, 05:55:12 PM
I have a bad feeling this is Bradford for Foles and Bradford is Chip's guy moving forward. No significant picks involved.
if that happens this deal would be a complete and utter joke...until I see it I wont believe it....gotta be a minimum of swapping seconds
if it does happen then they are in more trouble with chip than I even originally thought
So much for that.
I go from hope to hate with this team so quickly, the lines have been blurred.
I wish someone in the media would get the goddamn details of this trade so we can stop freaking out
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
I wish someone in the media would get the goddamn details of this trade so we can stop freaking out
the two teams are still working out the details.....they don't even know what it is....how can the media
the teams havent work out the details yet
it probably came up in 20 minutes like the shady deal
I don't know. Don't expect rational thoughts now please!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
I wish someone in the media would get the goddamn details of this trade so we can stop freaking out
We freak out regardless what happens.
sports are very important
In a little while we'll find out the deal is off because Bradford would rather go to the Colts to backup Luck.
QuoteAndrew Brandt @adbrandt 4s5 seconds ago
Hearing Eagles-Rams draft compensation swap will involve both this Draft and 2016 Draft.
I will give you ten dollars if you don't post another tweet unless its the one giving the details of the final deal
Hahaha
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
I will give you ten dollars if you don't post another tweet unless its the one giving the details of the final deal
this involves trading one mediocre, injury-prone sloth of a qb for another mediocre, injury-prone sloth of a qb
big. news.
Pay me
@GeoffMosherCSN: OK it's official: Eagles get 5th round pick this year from Rams and give up Foles, 4th round pick in 2015 and second round pick in 2016.
Ok this is a god awful trade. Sickening
could be the worst thing ever
they do get the second back if Bradford isnt the starter
If that's the actual trade I'm ChipOUT. Move over igy.
none of this makes sense unless bradford is some kind of key to get MM
and that doesnt even make sense
chip done did it
This is the worst trade ever. My god I cannot wait to hear the farged up reasoning
So now I'll repeat: should this end the speculation on Mariotta? And could Kelly REALLY believe Bradford is the answer? I'd rather have Foles.
ok there are all these specific injury conditions for bradford now, which leads me to believe that chip wanted him and hes the guy and jesus
boooooooooooooooo
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 10, 2015, 06:54:10 PM
So now I'll repeat: should this end the speculation on Mariotta?
should have never started...but yes you don't give all that up for Bradford if you are going after mariota
Bradford ran the same spread at okie that chip runs....plus anyone who was a good player in college chips wants
Insanity
on the bright side the shine is off of chip
not sure he can survive a 5-11 season....the heat will be insane
welcome to the big boy league you offensive coordinator of a Di-AA school
Man,I hope that shtein isn't accurate. That trade blows.
I'm just hoping the bus hasn't finished its route and that Bradford will be let off at a following stop.
They need to renegotiate this dude's deal farging immediately.
@HBalzer721: Also, NFL Network reports if Bradford doesn't start 8 games, Eagles get 4rth in 2016. If Bradford is reinjured, Eagles get 3rd in 2016.
So Eagles get: Bradford (IR), brutal Bradford contract and cap hit, 2015 5th round, 2016 3rd round, 2016 4th round
Rams get: Foles, 2015 4th round
40 times
mariota - 4.52
bradford - 4.9 (8 knee surgeries ago)
foles - 5.03
im not so sure that if the rams couldn't have moved Bradford this spring that they then would have just cut him
rapp said theyve been talking about this for 2 weeks....eagles love bradfords quick decision making and accuracy
they said the same thing about sanchez
i give up bye
That is one zesty trade. Even Phreak can't see any upside of that one.
For the second time in two weeks I had to pull over on the drive home because of a Chip Kelly trade
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
@HBalzer721: Also, NFL Network reports if Bradford doesn't start 8 games, Eagles get 4rth in 2016. If Bradford is reinjured, Eagles get 3rd in 2016.
wait so chip couldn't even get the best pick he's giving up to be the conditional one
wtf?
Apparently Chip Kelly loves Bradford.
For the record, I would have preferred Bradford to Sanchez. But not for the price of Foles and not until after the Rams cut his ass.
His base salary is about $5M higher than Tom Brady's this season, by the way.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2015, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
@HBalzer721: Also, NFL Network reports if Bradford doesn't start 8 games, Eagles get 4rth in 2016. If Bradford is reinjured, Eagles get 3rd in 2016.
wait so chip couldn't even get the best pick he's giving up to be the conditional one
wtf?
They get the 2nd back also, Eagles farged up the press release and there's some confusion.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 07:11:57 PM
For the second time in two weeks I had to pull over on the drive home because of a Chip Kelly trade
Lmfbo
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 10, 2015, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2015, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
@HBalzer721: Also, NFL Network reports if Bradford doesn't start 8 games, Eagles get 4rth in 2016. If Bradford is reinjured, Eagles get 3rd in 2016.
wait so chip couldn't even get the best pick he's giving up to be the conditional one
wtf?
They get the 2nd back also, Eagles farged up the press release and there's some confusion.
not saying you are wrong but I don't see that anywhere
they dont
they lose the 2nd no matter....but its a 2016 2nd if that helps
if bradford gets hurt, or when, they can get a back a 3rd or 4th in 2016.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2015, 07:23:42 PMnot saying you are wrong but I don't see that anywhere
Schefter changed his mind. farging Twitter. It's the worst.
QuoteAdam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 34m 34 minutes ago
If Sam Bradford is not Eagles' starting QB this season, Philly gets back its 2016 2nd-round pick from STL.
Quote
Adam Schefter
16 mins ·
Eagles will surrender 2016 2nd-round pick to Rams in QB trade no matter what. But will get back a conditional 2016 pick from Rams. It will be a 3rd if Bradford does not play at all; and a 4th if he starts less than 50 percent of plays.
birds - bradford, rams 5th this year,
rams - foles, eagles 4th this year, eagles 2nd next year
doesn't play at all this year eagles get rams next year 3rd
less than 50% of the snaps and the eagles get rams next year 4th
Wtf
You can go ahead and pencil in that 3rd and 4th, man.
Is there even a batshtein crazy theory under which this trade makes any rational sense at all for the Eagles? I'm not sure you do this deal even if you have secret future knowledge that Bradford is gonna be the league MVP this year.
what % of this trade is chip not knowing what the farg hes doing versus chip trying to turn a stone into a diamond to show what a genius he is
i dont think there is an ulterior motive to this....this is been in the making for weeks
chip loves bradford (probably recruited him). he thinks he can run his offense. he's probably wrong. it will probably cost him the nfl career he never thought hed have.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2015, 07:39:09 PM
what % of this trade is chip not knowing what the farg hes doing versus chip trying to turn a stone into a diamond to show what a genius he is
I'm heavily weighting the first. This is a Taylor Hart situation. I'm sure he'd be plenty happy winning with Aaron Rodgers.
Horrified Chip in his office right now... "Oh yeah I forgot to check Bradford's cap number! I hope it's not bad."
the money is irrelevant....they have more money than they can spend this offseason and theres no penalty for releasing him since the dead money is eaten by the rams
the travesty here is that he paid another team a decent sum to take a player from them that they may have cut because of his money and because he sucks and because he doesn't actually play in any games
Does Chip have Ed Marynowitz locked in a broom closet right now while he plays fantasy GM on his PC? I don't care how much power Chip has. There must be at least one other person at NovaCare who thought this was a good idea.
Really really stupid trades happen in sports. Just because the fans can't rationalize it, doesn't mean there is something else to it. Look at the Raiders trade for Carson Palmer.
Maybe Chip Kelly just really really sucks at this GM thing...
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 10, 2015, 07:46:32 PM
Does Chip have Ed Marynowitz locked in a broom closet right now while he plays fantasy GM on his PC? I don't care how much power Chip has. There must be at least one other person at NovaCare who thought this was a good idea.
maryowitz is a child....you think hes gonna stand up to chip after what he saw happen to howie
btw how hard is Howie laughing his ass off right now
harder than Byron Maxwell is bawling his eyes out?
(riders on the storm plays)
-camera pans to chip office's
he hangs up the phone
he has a half smile
-cut to bradford's house
sam is giddy, packing his eagle gear for philly
-then the camera quick cuts to a location we've never seen before
it slowly pans up the body of a fit, 22 year old man
suddenly we see his face
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/575445288208441344
*END EPISODE
no clue if this is a debunked old rumor or what but a friend of mine just told me that tenn is involved in all this as a third team somehow?
probably bullshtein but I need a little light right now
This is some bizarre shtein.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/2/9/8006213/nfl-rumors-sam-bradford-marcus-mariota-jameis-winston-eagles-rams-draft
Please be true please be true please be true please be true
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2015, 08:03:42 PM
no clue if this is a debunked old rumor or what but a friend of mine just told me that tenn is involved in all this as a third team somehow?
I heard something about Tennessee back when I was also hearing that the Eagles got the #10 pick. It seemed to make more sense at the time.
Trading for all these crippled white guys, I think Chip's working with some inside information about the new concussion rule changes. The Eagles are finally going to win a SuperBowl and be the champions of the Powerwalking Two-Hand Touch Football League.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 10, 2015, 08:12:48 PM
crippled white guys
Be fair now, Bradford is a full-blooded crippled Cherokee quintroon.
Finally, someone in the division to compare directly to RG3.
I'll post a tweet just for fun.
QuoteMarc Sessler
@MarcSesslerNFL
Feels like the Foles/Bradford trade is part of a three-team swap. We just don't know the third team yet.
"Hi Chip, this is the third team calling. Hey we seem to have lost the paperwork for our end of the deal, so I think we're just gonna go in another direction.
By the way... Frank Gore says hi motherfargkkkkkaaaaa!"
This isn't hyperbole when I say you could've told me Foles would be traded for a current NFL QB and given me 25 guesses and I wouldn't have picked Bradford.
Jesus Christ wtf is Chip doing
Whatever the farg he wants because there's literally no consequences.
um when the farg did this happen? can someone tell me the trade?
Foles, a 2015 4th & a 2016 2nd for Bradford, a 2015 5th & a 2016 fourth if he plays 8 games or less or a 3rd if he doesn't play at all because of injury.
I think.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 10, 2015, 08:41:08 PM
um when the farg did this happen? can someone tell me the trade?
Rams: Foles and a second rounder
Eagles: Bradford, four cadaver ACLs, laughed at by everyone
other teams were in on him, including the browns
the browns
Oh well shtein now I totally understand having to offer a second rounder to deal it!!!
Fisher lied to Chip and said someone else was on the other line
Chip panics
Fisher cackles and rolls a blunt
@RoobCSN: Least accurate NFL QBs since 2010 (min. 1000 att.): 1. Sanchez 56.8%, 2. Freeman 58.2%, Luck 58.6%, 4. Bradford 58.6%, 5. Casssel 58.8%.
Quote from: MDS on March 10, 2015, 08:56:53 PM
other teams were in on him, including the browns
the browns
If you're a true believer, you can put this happy face on it: the Bucs or another high drafting team made it known that they would prefer to have Bradford than any college QB. The Rams would prefer to have Foles than any college QB. So a bidding war emerged for Bradford among other teams, with the implicit understanding that the winner can flip Bradford, and some additional considerations, to the high drafting team for the rights to Winston/Mariota.
Sounds like a bullshtein tale with some holes in it to me, but if you want to believe in Santa Claus maybe you can still fool yourself for a while with a story like this.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 10, 2015, 09:01:50 PM
Sounds like a bullshtein tale with some holes in it to me, but if you want to believe in Santa Claus maybe you can still fool yourself for a while with a story like this.
If Santa Clause isn't real, then who did I throw snowballs at twenty years before I was born? Your move, atheists.
Quote from: MDS on March 10, 2015, 08:02:22 PM
(riders on the storm plays)
-camera pans to chip office's
he hangs up the phone
he has a half smile
-cut to bradford's house
sam is giddy, packing his eagle gear for philly
-then the camera quick cuts to a location we've never seen before
it slowly pans up the body of a fit, 22 year old man
suddenly we see his face
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/575445288208441344
*END EPISODE
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 09:01:21 PM
@RoobCSN: Least accurate NFL QBs since 2010 (min. 1000 att.): 1. Sanchez 56.8%, 2. Freeman 58.2%, Luck 58.6%, 4. Bradford 58.6%, 5. Casssel 58.8%.
To defend him slightly on this count, his receivers sucked bigtime.
http://youtu.be/RhLDkYravNA
Good thing the Eagles are stacked at receiver.
I've watched NFL Network for the last couple of hours, read a lot of the articles about this deal on the web, and I can honestly say not a single person gives the Eagles any credit or takes their side in this deal. It's spooky how universal the judgment has been that the Rams absolutely fleeced (sorry) the Eagles here.
When that many people are sure, it actually makes me feel a bit better about things, because it always seems like these clowns are wrong in the end about sure things.
Probably just an irrational hope on my part, but there it is...
edp likes the deal
angry edp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41dX5OcB53g)
i wouldnt say its a "fleecing" outside of the stupid 2nd round pick
basically they swapped qbs and it made no sense...more of a head scratcher/what the farg kind of move than trade rape
All those years of getting 2nd round picks for garbage QBs are finally coming back to bite them in the ass.
Quote from: Rome on March 10, 2015, 09:20:46 PM
I've watched NFL Network for the last couple of hours, read a lot of the articles about this deal on the web, and I can honestly say not a single person gives the Eagles any credit or takes their side in this deal. It's spooky how universal the judgment has been that the Rams absolutely fleeced (sorry) the Eagles here.
When that many people are sure, it actually makes me feel a bit better about things, because it always seems like these clowns are wrong in the end about sure things.
doesn't you being wrong about everything cancel them out...for the eagles sake you should def stay hating the trade as well
Pay McCoy $12m? NO GET OUT
Pay Maclin $11m? farg you pal take a hike!!
Pay Sam farging Bradford $13m? YES!
they are going to restructure the deal
also you will talk yourself in bradford in 3....2.....
I've already looped back around to all in for this season. I can't wait for this farging train wreck to take the field.
Sam Bradford is always hurt.
And when he isn't always hurt he is captain check down.
And he isn't even good at that.
Less mobile Alex Smith with worse decision making.
I am entertained, I'll give 'em that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2015, 09:22:34 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 10, 2015, 09:20:46 PM
I've watched NFL Network for the last couple of hours, read a lot of the articles about this deal on the web, and I can honestly say not a single person gives the Eagles any credit or takes their side in this deal. It's spooky how universal the judgment has been that the Rams absolutely fleeced (sorry) the Eagles here.
When that many people are sure, it actually makes me feel a bit better about things, because it always seems like these clowns are wrong in the end about sure things.
doesn't you being wrong about everything cancel them out...for the eagles sake you should def stay hating the trade as well
are you drunk?
QuoteWe Must Trust In Chip With QB Trade
Posted 2 hours ago
By Dave Spadaro
At the stroke of 4 p.m. on Tuesday, as the NFL's new business year began, the stunner of stunners came: A report that the Eagles traded quarterback Nick Foles to the St. Louis Rams for quarterback Sam Bradford. With that, the frenzy officially began ...
It's been a mad and wild ride already – and free agency has just started. The Eagles made the trade, which also included sending a 2015 fourth-round pick and a 2016 second-round selection to the Rams in exchange for a 2015 fifth-round draft choice - official hours later - as fans and the media poked and prodded for answers for a trade that came out of the blue.
The Eagles now have Bradford in at quarterback and he and perhaps Mark Sanchez (who reportedly has agreed to contract terms, but nothing is yet official) will compete for playing time. Bradford has been an outstanding quarterback when healthy - Bradford tossed 14 touchdowns and had four interceptions in the seven games he played in 2013 - but the problem is that he hasn't been healthy the last two seasons. Two torn ACL tendons have curtailed Bradford's last couple of seasons – he missed all of 2014 with a knee injury and he played only seven games the year before – after St. Louis made him the first overall pick in the 2010 draft. Bradford is in the final year of his contract, so the Eagles will have to make the decision on him for the future.
That's down the line, though. The move is a shocker in the sense that most of the speculation - outside the organization - before Tuesday was that if the Eagles were to move Foles it would be to move up in the draft and get in position to select Oregon's Marcus Mariota. That isn't likely to happen with Bradford in and Sanchez re-signed.
This move is about trusting that head coach Chip Kelly sees something in Bradford, something special, and that he believes that with the team's strength and conditioning program and a change of scenery and an offense that fits his style, Bradford's abilities can shine. Kelly knows what he wants in a quarterback and he believes that Bradford can be a major factor in an offense that has set records in successive seasons in points scored.
He clearly likes Bradford and thinks his skill set fits into the offense. The idea that Kelly needs a quarterback who can move and run the read-option isn't the case here, because Bradford isn't running 60 yards for a touchdown anytime soon. How that lack of mobility outside the pocket impacts the structure of the offense remains to be seen.
Bradford reunites with Eagles offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur, who was in the same position in St. Louis in 2010 when Bradford was the NFL's Offensive Rookie of the Year and that no doubt played into the equation. Bradford is a supremely talented quarterback who hasn't been able to develop as the Rams built around him in the early years – he absorbed 34 sacks as a rookie, 36 in 2011 and 35 in 2012 without a lot of talent around him – and then the injuries took two seasons away from his progress.
Bradford was injured in the opener of last summer's preseason game for the Rams when Browns defensive end Armonty Bryant rolled into Bradford's left knee.
But Bradford stands tall in the pocket and spins it like few quarterbacks can. The challenge for him, of course, has been the health issue. Is he suddenly able to stay healthy? Can the Eagles build around him so that Bradford can get the ball out quickly and not take big hits? How does the offense change with Bradford/Sanchez running the show?
The quarterback-for-quarterback trade – as unusual as any in the NFL and only the 2009 deal that sent Jay Cutler to Chicago and Kyle Orton and draft picks to Denver and the 2004 trade that sent Eli Manning to New York and Philip Rivers and draft picks to San Diego come to mind – brings to Philadelphia a player who has all the talent in the world.
There are more questions with the offense. Leading rusher LeSean McCoy was officially traded on Tuesday to Buffalo. Leading wide receiver Jeremy Maclin is reportedly on his way to sign a free-agent contract in Kansas City.
Who will Bradford (or Sanchez) throw the ball to? Who is running the football? Legitimate questions and it all goes back to trusting that Chip Kelly, with 20 wins in his first two NFL seasons, will have the answers.
The acquisition of Bradford was one of two announced on Tuesday.
Sorry - I meant to say that I found one positive article, although strangely, even Spindaro seems to be measuring things in comparison to his usual puff pieces.
Plus I posted it just to piss off drunky drunk boy, so...
Don't worry about the ACL thing. We have smoothies.
why do people take him seriously
I'm going to have knee surgery soon in honor of Sam Bradford
Is that a result of a driving mishap earlier this evening?
No.
Pulling over to breathe and not drive into oncoming traffic was the result of Chip Kelly mishaps
still cant believe they lost their 2nd round pick next year for farging sam bradford and nick foles and more draft picks
This is the honest to god truth, I woke up at 3 AM thinking I had a bad dream with this whole Bradford trade. I was absolutely sure of it. I went on the internet because I was so sure of it. I was wrong, the nightmare was real.
I slept like shtein too. I woke up at 5am. Know when the last time I woke up that early? Yeah me either.
THANKS CHIP!
They have the market cornered on excellent college QBs who blow in the NFL now.
Just need Tebow for practice squad.
5:45 PC scheduled today
Why, so Chip can drop his nuts on the table and demand everyone eat them?
nuts flavored smoothies for all!
Quote
Jeff McLane @Jeff_McLane 13s13 seconds ago
Chip Kelly said he was offered a first round pick for Sam Bradford this morning.
Dear god please take that offer and run
Never happened. 10000% Chip is just farging with everyone.
AT least Chip is talking about it
Quote from: rjs246 on March 11, 2015, 01:39:52 PM
Never happened. 10000% Chip is just farging with everyone.
this
Will be on the fanatic at 415
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 08:53:13 AM
THANKS CHIP!
I won't be able to sleep tonight knowing you forgot the comma after "thanks."
grammar nazi
am i the only one who doesnt think bradford is that different from foles?
both are sloths
both are injury prone
both have stupid faces
the 2nd pick is asinine but other than that....you all do realize foles completely sucked last season, right?
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2015, 05:15:23 PMthe 2nd pick is asinine but other than that....you all do realize foles completely sucked last season, right?
I don't think people are really upset purely about the switch from Foles to Bradford. It's the whole deal.
You're giving up your starting QB and multiple picks to get a QB who has had less success in the NFL and costs 8 times the money, and who may very well have been headed for the waiver wire. Doesn't seem logical.
the waiver wire thing is pure speculation
chip never liked foles....we know that much. he was never moving up to get MM. he likes bradford, i guess.
the salary means nothing. trading for bradford isnt going to prohibit them from singing anyone they wanted. mccourty is gone. he rejected their offer.
yeah no one gives a shtein that they went from foles to bradford....its what they gave up to do it....why would you make a lateral move for a cripple and give up something for it
if anyone is upset about the depth chart at qb now compared to 48 hrs ago its people who wanted mariota and now know that's not happening
I will say tho that if healthy Bradford will be a much better qb in chips system than foles...granted that's a huge IF...and bradford is not nearly a sloth....hes not going to be running read options but he is pretty athletic
bradford was pretty athletic six surgeries ago. at this point he's got to be more carson palmer than anything
the money to me means nothing.....they might not have been able to pull this off without mccourty turning them down. but since he did, you either spend it on a guy or you like more you keep it in jeff's pocket. hmmmm.
the thing to me that makes this insane is the 2nd. the pick swapping is a minor footnote.
Yep I have a huge problem with the 2nd and a minor problem with the contract
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
bradford was pretty athletic six surgeries ago. at this point he's got to be more carson palmer than anything
hes had the same two surgeries mack has had and wr has to do a lot more than a pocket qb...his movement will be fine...not ideal mind you for chips offense..they still wont have a guy that can run the read option im just saying hes nowhere near a sloth in the foles peyton brady category
as i mentioned when he was traded.....bradford is being restructured
Nice scoop, Ace!
Quote from: MDS on March 12, 2015, 06:53:48 PM
as i mentioned when he was traded.....bradford is being restructured
He's been restructured by a dozen different doctors, I hope it sticks this time.
lol
the trade took a month to put together.....if it was a 20 minute deal like the shady one i could see them scrambling to work something out. but clearly they had dialogue with bradford's camp before the trigger was pulled about an extension/restructuring. they werent going to do this unless they had something in the works. and bradford shooed away any question about it, because its being negotiated now.
he will be the qb next year. and by next year i mean for 1 day of the preseason until he tears his acl again.
Quote from: MDS on March 12, 2015, 06:57:22 PM
he will be the qb next year. and by next year i mean for 1 day of the preseason until he tears his acl again.
wait you think hes gonna get thru camp?
It makes total sense to restructure him. His cap hit is huge. Restructure that bitch, Howie...
jake rosenberg actually handles the numbers
well....really jew you notice the difference
A rosen by any other name, et cetera.
Was just checking out the FA QBs next offseason, just in case they don't restructure/extend Bradford:
Luck
Wilson
Cam
RGIII
Tannehill
Eli
Ben
Rivers
Foles
Yeah I know most of these guys will be extended, but something to think about
I say they trade for Nick foles and give up a #1 and 2 #2's. Bet.
Fisher confirmed they were offered a 1st for Bradford today. Said they really wanted Foles which is why they dealt him to the birds.
Surprised there was that big of a market for an injury prone qb with a huge cap number
the cap is such a non factor...especially for an expiring deal. i mean yes for jay cutler its an issue. but otherwise.
and bradford wasnt going to go anywhere without a restructuring/extension
bradford is a one year deal for no guaranteed money....the monetary part of him is irrelevant
bradford is going to get an extension and it will free up some money this season after the restructuring
sam bradford. starting qb. eagles of philadelphia.
He's gotta make it to week one first.
He made it off the podium after his pc without tearing his acl...baby steps
Baby steps are how he should move all the time.
Quote from: SD on March 14, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
He made it off the podium after his pc without tearing his acl...baby steps
ha
Quote from: SD on March 13, 2015, 05:31:23 PMFisher confirmed they were offered a 1st for Bradford today
Casserly says it was Cleveland, offering Buffalo's #19
Quote from: General_Failure on March 14, 2015, 01:32:55 PM
Baby steps are how he should move all the time.
Great advice, both in life and in how we approach this organization.
So I suppose CLE called Chippah and offered it too?
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 14, 2015, 06:41:41 PM
Quote from: SD on March 13, 2015, 05:31:23 PMFisher confirmed they were offered a 1st for Bradford today
Casserly says it was Cleveland, offering Buffalo's #19
Eagles should take that offer.
I agree
If the offer is on the table they should take it. The question is do they? Will they wait and do it closer to the draft? Or is Chip riding with him like he says?
The contract will say a lot because if they don't re-do it soon and leave it as is then he's trade able.
I don't think they traded for him just to flip him, but he's also worth less than the 19th pick (obviously Cle disagrees).
Which makes it a no brainer to make the deal because it is above his value.
But for whatever reason Chip envisions him as the grand operator of his offense. I sure hope he's farging right.
I think Chip has some general concepts of what he wants to do, but them makes shtein up as he goes along, probably in part to farg with Howie. But I also think his plan is to trade up for MM if the opportunity arises, which it might, or else just keep Bradford if it doesn't. I never saw if those conditionals on what the Eagles get back from the Rams are based on playing time/starts just w Philly or with any team. If they only pertain Eagles starts and they trade Bradford they are largely off the hook, I think next year only losing around a 3rd round equivalent. Not a big price really.
Rightly or wrongly, Chip sees Bradford as a #1 overall talent QB who was stuck in a zesty system and had a couple unlucky injuries. Unless Bradford's knee explodes again or he's ridiculously outshined by Mark Sanchez in camp, he's the QB for the season opener. That's the plan.
hope
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150315_Jaworski__Arians_high_on_Eagles__Bradford.html
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2015, 05:01:02 PM
hope
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150315_Jaworski__Arians_high_on_Eagles__Bradford.html
Just below the article from 2010
http://mobile.philly.com/blogs/?wss=/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/&id=90263347
Jaws took a hit when he gushed over kaepernick as one of the greatest ever awhile back
I've said it before... love him like a retarded pollak stepbrother, but his opinions are all over the place.
you gullible saps
he says stupid things....espn makes a story about them....the other media pounces on it....twitter goes wild...."controversy" is created. rinse, wash, repeat. and thats how #hotsportstake are made
thanks for explaining ... it's so clear now.
I wish he would have explained it sooner so I wouldn't have spent all that money on a dozen Mariota jerseys.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 16, 2015, 08:47:12 AM
I wish he would have explained it sooner so I wouldn't have spent all that money on a dozen Mariota jerseys.
the kids in ethiopia will love them.
And they'll have plenty of room in them for their distended stomachs!
they'll get plenty of fiber from them. good for the diet.
So that's where my 2001, 2002, 2008 NFC Champion hats went? Where in the hell is my 2005 Super Bowl Champions hat?
I think those went to Zimbabwe
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/03/30/eagles-sam-bradford-contemplated-retirement
always comforting to hear that the QB you traded for was thinking about retirement
Hate to think of what the Eagles would have given up for him if he was really bought into playing.
so one good hit by greg hardy and this guy is done ?
He's had season ending injuries three out of five years, and another year just regular injured. He'd be stupid not to think about retiring.
Def a candidate to get CTKnee later in life
Was going to throw this in the Mariota thread
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCgPABFUwAAJ8_h.jpg)
But, but, but... they weren't selling it!!
Is it on clearance yet?
That number is cursed.
It really is a hideous color.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 14, 2015, 07:31:18 AM
It really is a hideous color.
repulsive and disgusting....really its criminal
It looks like the slime that gets power washed off the bottom of a boat that sat in the bay all season.
I hate it and so does everyone else except that douche owner and his ex-wife.
The color was already hideous, then Nike came along and somehow made it worse. Bottom 5 ugliest uniforms in the league. Such a pity when you have Kelly Green which would be top 5 uniform in the league.
so the team finally slurged and bought the 250 minimum so people could stop rambling on about mariota ?
i will never buy another current jersey after i get the green dawk jersey i need to get still.
Quote from: SD on April 14, 2015, 10:16:28 AM
The color was already hideous, then Nike came along and somehow made it worse.
It looks like they took the color from a t-shirt that had been washed a thousand times.
http://www.delcotimes.com//sports/20150427/eagles-notebook-birds-pick-up-cox-option-bradford-wants-security
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFjPTBSUIAEMOqz.jpg)
(http://yourvancs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/MoraPlayoffs-150x132.jpg)
lol
this will not end well
look test
oh no
Is he already wearing a body cast under that jersey?
Stone cold killah there
Oh Christ. Pros vs Joes?
ive got a feeling we are not in MA anymore toto....
QuoteHe's also adjusting to Philadelphia. Bradford grew up in Oklahoma City, attended college in Norman, and played five seasons in St. Louis. Now, he's in the Northeast and in a "big city," as he termed it, with a larger media contingent at a spring practice than anything he said he dealt with after games with the Rams.
God help him.
domo hits another grand slam with this great piece....all i kept thinking while reading was man its too bad hes coming off the knee injuries or else the excitement would be off the charts immediately followed by he wouldnt be on the eagles were it not for the knee injuries
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Sam_Bradford_Eagles_All_American_everything.html
ed werder saying birds are working on a 'short term" extension
they need to do something
He's drawing rave reviews in camp from both the players and the coaches. I know it's a little early to get excited but at least that's a positive sign.
Nobody ever said he was bad, just super fragile.
i dont think there is anyone out there doesnt think he will be real good in chips offense if healthy....i exepect it to be all puppies and flowers until his knee goes out again
a short term deal would be perfect...if he by chance stays healthy then they have him tied up for a couple of years to A. work on a bigger better deal and B. see him play more before deciding to cake him off big time
so this exists (https://www.change.org/p/philadelphia-eagles-philadelphia-temple-university-have-pope-francis-rub-sam-bradford-s-knees)
Um, sorry. Doesn't work.
QuotePHILADELPHIA -- Ron Jaworski and Joe Pisarcik, the Philadelphia Eagles' Polish-American quarterbacks, have received papal medals blessed by Pope John Paul II, the National Football League club announced Saturday.
Philadelphia businessman Edward Piszek, a personal friend of the Polish Pope, recently visited the Pontiff in the Vatican and brought with him a photograph taken last year in Philadelphia when the Pope blessed the infant son of Eagles' General Manager Jim Murray.
During the meeting, Piszek explained that the Eagles have two quarterbacks of Polish heritage. The Pope then took the two medals, blessed them, and asked Piszek to give them to Jaworski and Pisarcik on his return to Philadelphia.
it was pre-SB iirc
oh so the dude in the dress and the funny hat doesnt have magical powers?
Piszek was the founder of Mrs. Paul's Fish Sticks so he is God.
http://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-practice-notes-sam-bradford-has-gun-no-legs/
kempski article...so there's that.
basically says sam hasn't done any full speed running or fully tested his knee in practices.
if i had to guess i would write that off as chip telling him not to move more than bradford being shook but either way he should not play sunday and id be surprised if he did altho everyone thinks he will
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 13, 2015, 09:27:32 AM
if i had to guess i would write that off as chip telling him not to move more than bradford being shook but either way he should not play sunday and id be surprised if he did altho everyone thinks he will
Yeah, if he's truly incapable of moving and they're trotting him out there day after day as the starter then Chip needs to have his head examined.
even if he was 100% it wouldnt be crazy to hold him out just to give him more reps in chips offense before a tackle football game....hes naturally going to be hesitant having only been thru a minicamp and 15 practices in a complicated new offense after having not played football for two years and hesitancy leads to holding the ball which leads to getting hit...i see no reason to play him this week regardless of health or mobility
No one cares what we think but for what it's worth, I agree.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 13, 2015, 09:57:21 AM
No one cares what we think but for what it's worth, I agree.
It's actually worth nothing. Just an FYI.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CM7eYlGUsAAnp0O.jpg)
those sleeves are the worst
worse than the teal?
I know he's 6 '4 but it's so hard to believe he's 225
At least ten pounds of that is medical equipment accidentally left in him.
Quote from: SD on August 21, 2015, 09:09:19 AM
I know he's 6 '4 but it's so hard to believe he's 225
when we went to camp and saw him up close he doesnt even look 6'4 to me....not small looking at all but 6'4 225...nope
I'm 6'4", but I can't claim to be 225.
More like 260.
Subway! Oh, that's right, you're a teacher. Probably want to stay away from Jared country Geo.
Quote from: Don Ho on August 21, 2015, 10:33:01 PM
Subway! Oh, that's right, you're a teacher. Probably want to stay away from Jared country Geo.
Making some lifestyle changes now. Weight ballooned in the last year. Too much damn stress. I swallowed a lot of aggression... along with a lot of pizza.
Unfortunately I can relate. Wish I could blame stress. Food is just tasting better. Thank God theres a 24 Hour Fitness about a mile from my home.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/11986916_1033428143335295_7493182408300979398_n.jpg?oh=345d9e00eed5fa66c4ae5ba4a0a53021&oe=569DCF83)
If I can't enjoy myself, and food like this is one of the greatest pleasures in life, imo, then farg it, gotta' die sometime from something.
I hated the Bradford deal at first, still unshore, but after seeing what little of him I have, and hearing about him as a teammate and quarterback from coaches and such, I think it could be a good thing, but him staying healthy is very unlikely. I can see Eagle fans going ape shtein over him if he looks good and wins games, right before he goes down with a knee injury.
After seeing that pic, I'm going out right now to buy a t-bone
D Gunn said he's going in for an X-ray
lol well that was fast
1 game...i had 3 in the pool
Sure, why not. Just put him on IR now so he doesn't get a real injury.
lil guy turn post game live on and find out wtf they're saying. Be a reporter goddammit!
i dont have cable and relaying whats said on tv isnt reporting
worse call?
80 or SB
Quote from: MDS on September 14, 2015, 10:50:57 PM
i dont have cable and relaying whats said on tv isnt reporting
It is to us!
You don't have cable? A TV junkie has no cable. Da fuq?
Troll troll trollllllolololol igy
Well get on Twitter, then!
Quote from: General_Failure on September 14, 2015, 10:51:52 PM
Well get on Twitter, then!
Twitter sucks and we aren't allowed to use it. Mom and dad aka lil guy and igy say no.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2015, 10:51:51 PM
You don't have cable? A TV junkie has no cable. Da fuq?
Troll troll trollllllolololol igy
streams and apps. welcome to 2015 you old fart.
Well I guess I'll just go to tumblr and see if I can find anything in between all those shirtless pics of Kendricks.
Quote from: MDS on September 14, 2015, 10:52:43 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 14, 2015, 10:51:51 PM
You don't have cable? A TV junkie has no cable. Da fuq?
Troll troll trollllllolololol igy
streams and apps. welcome to 2015 you old fart.
I doubt your sincerity?
lol d gunn is a retard first off
his tweet was "looks like" and chip the genius said he was fine. so obviously.
half point to gunner
Zach Berman @ZBerm 41s41 seconds ago
Sam Bradford went for an X-ray after the game. He would not say for what. He said it was precaution, he's "all good" and no issue.
He was due for his bitewings.
multiple people saying the x-ray was on his ankle. He said in the postgame he wanted to get things checked out and he's fine
so even in the rare game where bradford doesnt get hurt he still needs an mri.....yikes
nm
x-ray on his ankle was negative...no big deal.
i thought he played very well...2nd pick wasn't on him. wish they could get someone open deep though.
Quote from: hunt on September 15, 2015, 08:15:24 AM
wish they could get someone open deep though.
not going to happen unfortunately....they have yet to replace pimp
yeah...no deep threat.
agholor was invisible last night.
not true he got that drive crippling penalty in the first half
agholor is clearly not ready for this level yet...five ten years ago you could write it off as rookie wr's struggle to acclimate to the nfl but in todays league that no longer holds true....rookie seasons are the new year 3 for wr's...still there are guys that are going to take longe than others and obviously no one is writing him off but its pretty damn disappointing that he couldnt beat out kkk or josh huff for a starting position
i honestly dont know how huff is on the team....other than his replationship with chip...at least kkk can block....huff offers nothing
Matthews started out slow last season then he had the two td game and was suddenly part of the offense. Think I wrote it before but I'm not expecting much from Agholor till week 4 or 5. He"lol have his breakout game then they'll acclimate him into the offense
problem is matthews could hide behind mack
agholar has huff kkk and a second year slot guy to sit behind
i like matthews but at the end of the day thats what he is....a great slot wr...he will produce big numbers because hes in chips offense and someone has to catch the balls but he scares no one and hes not going to get agohlar open....the outside gets the inside open not the other way around.....and after matthews we all know the travesty that are the wr's
really the passing offense right now is centered around getting mis matches with darren sproles who is farging awesome but when your best weapon right now is a 33 year old punt returner you probably dont have enough weapons...sproles should be the best icing on the top weapon in the league not a centerpiece
chip puts way too much importance in his system...and not enough in the talent he puts in it...can you imagine his offense with a julio jones roddy white esqe combo...i know you cant snap your fingers and get guys like that but he doesnt even seem interested in doing it
You know what's better than snapping your fingers to get guys like that? Snapping your fingers and not letting go of Jackson and Maclin.
Bradford was off in the first half and much of that, I would think, is attributed to his lay-off. He was a bit high and behind guys. If he hits Miles Austin on that seam then Austin scores. He played much better in the second half.
So I think he will be fine.
Obviously I would love them to have a strong legit number one receiver but even with what they have, collectively, they can move the ball and be successful on offense.
moving it and scoring regular season pts against average teams is not the issue...winning a superbowl (or shtein even a playoff game) with the players they have is
And I think with how they're constructed they can so that. Is it ideal? Nah. Like I said I'd love to have a bell cow WR (or two). But when you can get guys open through scheming it can work. And we have seen that work enough times to know it can happen. Focus on the RBs out of the backfield or the TEs and that will open up things down the field. And the guys they have, well Matthews and Agholor, are good enough to take advantage of that.
Think it's a little too early to say what they can or cannot do this season. The superbowl talk was utterly insane especially since it was based off one quarter against the Packers.
Quote from: SD on September 15, 2015, 10:26:17 AM
Think it's a little too early to say what they can or cannot do this season. The superbowl talk was utterly insane especially since it was based off one quarter against the Packers.
i agree they of course are still an open book...i still have them at nine wins and 11 would still not shock me...all teams have weaknesses the problem to me for the eagles is that their weaknesses are incredibly glaring when you are talking about a superbowl contender....the wr's the interior of the line and the corners are egregiously bad
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2015, 06:07:45 AM
so even in the rare game where bradford doesnt get hurt he still needs an mri.....yikes
This should be standard protocol.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 15, 2015, 11:00:41 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2015, 06:07:45 AM
so even in the rare game where bradford doesnt get hurt he still needs an mri.....yikes
This should be standard protocol.
maybe invest in one of those TSA full body screen johnsons and have him walk thru it after each game
wonder if TO has a used hyperbaric chamber for sale.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2015, 11:02:53 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 15, 2015, 11:00:41 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 15, 2015, 06:07:45 AM
so even in the rare game where bradford doesnt get hurt he still needs an mri.....yikes
This should be standard protocol.
maybe invest in one of those TSA full body screen johnsons and have him walk thru it after each game
Lol
Great, then when his knee blows up he can spend his time on IR in Guantanamo Bay.
Thankfully he wasn't signed to an extension
Stupid ass trade from the jump
But let him limp outta town after this year
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2015, 04:05:42 PM
Thankfully he wasn't signed to an extension
Stupid ass trade from the jump
But let him limp outta town after this year
I'm not defending him because he hasn't been good. But his WRs are not good, they've dropped a lot of passes, today was the first day he actually had a running game, and the Jets D is no joke. He didn't throw any picks. I'm willing to stick with the guy for now. I'm glad they took the chance on him, hate they gave up picks in the process.
Let's be real, when free agency rolls around the choice is gonna be like this guy or Josh McCown. If he can pull himself up to the level of being slightly better than Sanchez, he is going to be the guy.
How many passes are these cvnts going to drop before someone calls them out?
Bradford hasn't been a world beater by any means but the receivers have been atrocious.
Just looking at him is annoying right now. He's built like a punter.
Oh.. and it doesn't help that he's been horribly inaccurate, won't throw the ball more than 10 yards, and has some unhealthy obsession with Miles Austin
The dropped passes are a problem obviously.
But I'd still sit the fragile one down for Sanchez
I would not sit him for Sanchez. He'd be better right now, but you aren't winning anything with Sanchez, as he has no upside. At least with Bradford there is potential.
Gotta go for the potential of him showing some of his collegiate arm talent, and if it blows up, then it blows up. Sanchez wasn't getting you anywhere anyway. You really have nothing to lose by sticking with Bradford.
I'm struggling to see the potential in Bradford when he can't make simple throws
bradford is not sitting unless he gets hurt....you gave up a lot to get him....its sink or swim with him....j is insane
the gm is a much bigger problem than the qb
I think with him it's mental, not physical. He just looks uncomfortable, and is rushing throws. Looks like he expects the rush to be there, when he has all the time in the world.
With Sanchez you know how the story ends. With Bradford at least you find out what you have. I think I have an idea, but through 3 games we just don't know for sure yet.
hes played 12 quarters of football in the last two years and is in a new offense....maybe he just isnt good....but could he at least play a half a season before we start calling for mark farging sanchez
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2015, 06:19:55 PM
bradford is not sitting unless he gets hurt....you gave up a lot to get him....its sink or swim with him....j is insane
the gm is a much bigger problem than the qb
The one instance I would bench Bradford is if this team is like 1-6 and you try to recoup that 2nd round pick, because the conditions are based on Bradford's playing time. Although it might be due to injury exclusively and being benched doesn't count... I forget the details on it.
the 2nd round pick isnt conditional
i think if bradford plays less than 50% of the season then the eagles get a 4th from the rams
Yeah I'm pretty sure the pick is lost already.
Sanchez would run the offense better imo. He's got his flaws for sure but I'm taking my shots with him versus Bradford
If Bradford isn't the guy, I have no idea what this team is going to do at QB.
They're in pretty deep trouble.
the problem is not bradford not being the guy its chip not being the guy.....hes president gm and coach and doesnt seem particularly good at any of them
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2015, 06:23:47 PM
hes played 12 quarters of football in the last two years and is in a new offense....maybe he just isnt good....but could he at least play a half a season before we start calling for mark farging sanchez
Agree with this. His WRs blow too and he hasn't had a running game aside from today. Agholor hasn't been good but he's starting to get open so maybe the light goes on at some point. Cooper/Austin/Huff can go jump in a lake.
i cant believe they gave austin two and a half million bucks
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2015, 06:39:44 PM
i cant believe they gave austin two and a half million bucks
I can't believe he's on an NFL roster
true
but if hes gonna be on one it should be for the vet minimum
its crazy that he had like 8 td's last year
Oddly enough, Chip seems better scouting defensive talent than offensive. I severely question his abilities in that department, but he's not going anywhere, so it is what it is.
I wouldn't be surprised if Robert Griffin is the QB here next season if Bradford flops.
Yeah there are plenty of guys out there who deserve a spot over him.
And Chip the GM and HC ain't going anywhere so I'll take the better shot to win and that's Sanchez IMO. Right now. Unless Bradford starts lighting it up but I doubt it
literally less than 20 days ago you had sam bradford winning the superbowl now you want him benched for mark sanchez....you legit cray cray
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 27, 2015, 06:43:13 PM
Yeah there are plenty of guys out there who deserve a spot over him.
And Chip the GM and HC ain't going anywhere so I'll take the better shot to win and that's Sanchez IMO. Right now. Unless Bradford starts lighting it up but I doubt it
If they finish with 4 or fewer wins this season he's gone.
A) there's a good chance with Sanchez they could've won one of the first two
B) that doesn't matter because they aren't going anywhere with him anyway so as bad as Bradford has been, what's the point of trying to scrape by with Sanchez
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2015, 06:48:17 PM
literally less than 20 days ago you had sam bradford winning the superbowl now you want him benched for mark sanchez....you legit cray cray
World going one way...Bradford another
Right - because Lurie has always been the sort of knee-jerk reactionary owner who gives guys the boot after a tough season.
Quote from: Rome on September 27, 2015, 06:58:28 PM
Right - because Lurie has always been the sort of knee-jerk reactionary owner who gives guys the boot after a tough season.
true, but Kelly may very well leave if the team goes 4-12 or worse.
What's the point of not playing out Bradford's contract? I mean odds are pretty good that if you just let nature run its course, he won't be playing all 16 anyway.
You guys understand that this is basically an audition for Bradford, right? If things go well, he gets an offer from the Eagles. A big one. If he doesn't, he leaves and gets an offer from another team.
He's not the quarterback to run Chip's offense. It's hilarious watching his "fakes" on the run-option because no one in the universe, including him, believes he's doing anything but handing the farging ball off. It's gotten to the point where it's so ridiculous, I don't even know why they're bothering with it, because it's embarrassingly ludicrous to expect him to take off with the ball.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 27, 2015, 07:04:27 PM
What's the point of not playing out Bradford's contract?
The potential for less Murray Death Glare gifs.
I nearly dropped dead when a Jets DE froze on one of his roll out fakes
Well, to the DE's credit he had time for a sandwich, a cup of coffee and take in a matinee in the time it took Bradford to roll out.
Bradford isn't going to the bench anytime soon. No way Kelly will admit he farged up that quick.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 27, 2015, 06:57:48 PM
A) there's a good chance with Sanchez they could've won one of the first two
B) that doesn't matter because they aren't going anywhere with him anyway so as bad as Bradford has been, what's the point of trying to scrape by with Sanchez
one guy has been garbage for his whole career including last year with the eagles and has zero upside
the other guy is a number one overall pick who has been hurt his whole career and is still largely an unknown
guess which one should be given a shot
The wounded horse?
Raheem Mostert
How quickly we forget Sanchez's shining moment in Washington last year.
Didn't expect Havas to ride and die with Bradford. Kinda sounds like a homer if ya ask me
im not predicting him to win the superbowl like you....but when you give up your starting qb and a second round pick for a former #1 overall you probably should give him more than three games before benching him
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2015, 07:40:14 PM
im not predicting him to win the superbowl like you....but when you give up your starting qb and a second round pick for a former #1 overall you probably should give him more than three games before benching him
for mark sanchez
Well you can't very well ask Tebow to come back.
Brad Goebel would be willing tho
Let. it. Goebel.
Didn't that Idrina Manziel sing that?
Idrina Football, I believe she goes by.
Passes 10+ yds down the field
today 2/7
season 8/28
adelle dazeem
Quote from: phattymatty on September 27, 2015, 08:50:28 PM
adelle dazeem
Adele. Dazeem only spells it with one "L". Common mistake, though.
phreak has reached that internet argument point where he's so locked into a position that he's going to die with it. no other explanation for his irrational bradford bashing.
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2015, 08:11:43 AM
phreak has reached that internet argument point where he's so locked into a position that he's going to die with it. no other explanation for his irrational bradford bashing.
haha
I'd rather go 6-10 and see what we have with Bradford than 9-7 with Sanchez. Already know what Sanchez is, not really sure why J's having revisionist history.
It's a little weird. Bradford is clearly not the major problem. And Sanchez is obviously not a solution for any problem.
i see throws like that wheel route throw that fell into Sproles' hands like a pillow and he drops it and that makes me think he can be the guy. foles can't make that throw, neither can sanchez.
i just think he's not getting any help from the wideouts. has every throw been great? of course not but holy shtein their wr can't catch the ball.
Quote from: Zanshin on September 28, 2015, 08:31:34 AM
It's a little weird. Bradford is clearly not the major problem. And Sanchez is obviously not a solution for any problem.
I think Bradford is a pretty big problem. But he's not the biggest one, and there's potential that he could cease being a problem once he becomes more comfortable in the offense. And as you say, there is no solution for this problem waiting in the wings.
Work on the more serious and more fixable dumpster fires. If you reach a point where the rest of the team is playing acceptably and Bradford is now your limiting factor (and honestly I don't see that occurring this season), that's when you worry about Bradford.
bradford couldve thrown 10 picks in the first 3 games, and hes still be the starter
sanchez is what he is: a backup
bradford has potential in this offense, i guess? and most of all you invested way too much in him to just throw him aside because of a couple of bad games. for mark farging sanchez.
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2015, 09:04:02 AM
i see throws like that wheel route throw that fell into Sproles' hands like a pillow and he drops it and that makes me think he can be the guy. foles can't make that throw, neither can sanchez.
i just think he's not getting any help from the wideouts. has every throw been great? of course not but holy shtein their wr can't catch the ball.
this is pretty much where im at. he isn't 100% comfy with this offense yet plus he seems afraid to allow his wideouts to get down field in fear of a big hit, but he certainly isn't getting much help from his receivers.
btw, that's the same defense who made Andrew Luck look horrible so anybody expecting bradford to come out like Joe Montana in this game had unrealistic expectations.
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2015, 08:11:43 AM
phreak has reached that internet argument point where he's so locked into a position that he's going to die with it. no other explanation for his irrational bradford bashing.
Nope.
Unlike some others around here...I don't argue just for the sake of it.
I mean...I wasn't a fan of the trade in the first place. He gets pumped up as this overly accurate dude and yeah sure he's not getting much help from his WRs but he's not even throwing down the field to them. He's looking to dump it or go short right away.
and Mark Sanchez is Dan Fouts all of the sudden?
No...where did I say he was some HOFer?
I just think he'd run the offense better than Bradford.
Jay, the guy hasn't played in two years basically and the first two games here he the oline plays like shtein, the wideouts aren't getting seperation, they drop the ball when it does get to them, but you expect 300yrds passing still ?
My biggest issue is he doesn't even look downfield. And I don't mean 40 yards when I say downfield - more like 20. 3rd and 9 and you have a better than even chance he's throwing it five yards. That's fine if you have a great OLine and its 3rd and 2 a lot, but with the way this offense is currently constructed it isn't suited to his strengths.
he's shell-shocked. you just hope with better line play that he gets passed that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2015, 09:29:25 AM
No...where did I say he was some HOFer?
I just think he'd run the offense better than Bradford.
to what end? what does starting sanchez this season accomplish? 8-8? 9-7 at very best. then what?
It's not like Sanchez comes with a new o-line, or he magically makes the receivers learn how to catch.
j, what from last season, when sanchez had the luxury of having a good oline and wr's that actually got open and caught the ball, makes you think he'd do better this season ?
mind you, sanchez didn't impress anyone last year.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 28, 2015, 09:39:27 AM
My biggest issue is he doesn't even look downfield. And I don't mean 40 yards when I say downfield - more like 20. 3rd and 9 and you have a better than even chance he's throwing it five yards. That's fine if you have a great OLine and its 3rd and 2 a lot, but with the way this offense is currently constructed it isn't suited to his strengths.
The offense is suited to the skills of Donnie Jones and no one else.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 28, 2015, 09:39:27 AM
My biggest issue is he doesn't even look downfield. And I don't mean 40 yards when I say downfield - more like 20. 3rd and 9 and you have a better than even chance he's throwing it five yards. That's fine if you have a great OLine and its 3rd and 2 a lot, but with the way this offense is currently constructed it isn't suited to his strengths.
i agree with this. they used to be a team that loved the 4 verticals and hitting the seam routes. now that's against zone and i think because the receivers are so bad that teams are manning up and focusing on the run so those routes aren't available but against man you should be able to run 15 yard crossing routes
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2015, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 28, 2015, 09:39:27 AM
My biggest issue is he doesn't even look downfield. And I don't mean 40 yards when I say downfield - more like 20. 3rd and 9 and you have a better than even chance he's throwing it five yards. That's fine if you have a great OLine and its 3rd and 2 a lot, but with the way this offense is currently constructed it isn't suited to his strengths.
i agree with this. they used to be a team that loved the 4 verticals and hitting the seam routes. now that's against zone and i think because the receivers are so bad that teams are manning up and focusing on the run so those routes aren't available but against man you should be able to run 15 yard crossing routes
Yes that is one of my biggest beefs as well. He's not going through his "deep to short" progressions. And in "man" he should be taking shots down the field but he's immediately looking for some shorter routes.
And I believe Sanchez' ability to run the read option and the fact he's a bit more mobile helps them.
Is Bradford going to magically turn into a legit QB? I just don't see it. Yeah they (stupidly) gave up a 2 for him but he's not signed beyond this year and they have no future obligations to him. If he's not going to push the ball down the field AND be accurate with his short routes then what exactly is the point of him playing? Anyone?
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2015, 09:04:02 AM
i see throws like that wheel route throw that fell into Sproles' hands like a pillow and he drops it and that makes me think he can be the guy. foles can't make that throw, neither can sanchez.
i just think he's not getting any help from the wideouts. has every throw been great? of course not but holy shtein their wr can't catch the ball.
the problem so far has been that in between his nice throws is 15 balls behind the wr or in the turf....bradford deserves his fair share of blame hes been terrible...but at least you can still excuse it as rust and learning the system...sanchez sucks balls with no chance of ever getting better
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2015, 09:26:28 AM
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2015, 08:11:43 AM
phreak has reached that internet argument point where he's so locked into a position that he's going to die with it. no other explanation for his irrational bradford bashing.
He's looking to dump it or go short right away.
no one on the team can get down field....there is zero speed at the position...i said it last week leading up to the jets game their entire big play offense right now is predicated on exploiting linebackers on backs...and that was pretty much it yesterday....mathews catch and the sproles wheel route that should have been a td but was horribly thrown were the big plays...no one pass catcher on this team can come even close to consistently beating his defender down the field...occasionally youll see guys who were schemed to get open via play design but its almost always an intermediate crossing route of some type....the one thing that bradford is doing right now to kill the team is not making passes that allow for YAC...thats where they can get some bigger plays....but as far as throwing the ball deep...there just isnt going to be much of that with the skill players chip has put together...that said he needs to run a go route or two just to keep people honest...they dont even pretend that they have a chance to go deep
also you are confusing people saying that hes awesome or something...no one is doing that...all anyone is saying that its absolutely ludicrous to talk of benching him for mark sanchez after 12 quarters...the reason the eagles overpaid for a back up qb is because of bradfords knees not to give up foles and picks to bench him for sanchez 180 minutes into the season...i cant believe you actually think that is something that should happen
jay, you're way off on this one bro.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2015, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: SunMo on September 28, 2015, 09:54:20 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 28, 2015, 09:39:27 AM
My biggest issue is he doesn't even look downfield. And I don't mean 40 yards when I say downfield - more like 20. 3rd and 9 and you have a better than even chance he's throwing it five yards. That's fine if you have a great OLine and its 3rd and 2 a lot, but with the way this offense is currently constructed it isn't suited to his strengths.
i agree with this. they used to be a team that loved the 4 verticals and hitting the seam routes. now that's against zone and i think because the receivers are so bad that teams are manning up and focusing on the run so those routes aren't available but against man you should be able to run 15 yard crossing routes
Yes that is one of my biggest beefs as well. He's not going through his "deep to short" progressions. And in "man" he should be taking shots down the field but he's immediately looking for some shorter routes.
there are no shots down the field....i havent watched the coaches film for the jets yet but i did the first two weeks and rarely do they even have guy running deep routes downfield....its like huff on a comeback.....kkk on a dig and matthews on a cross every play...kkk has run a few ups but hes always blanketed...again bradford need to be more accurate thats on him....but not going deep is chip the gm and coach
Bradford actually threw two beautiful deep passes to Austin who dropped them both. Ball placement was on the money. I like his lob touch but his timing and turf balls need to go. Again, dudes only played 3 games in an entirely new offense without playing much the past 3 seasons. He gets one season to show what he can do.
so far, even as bad as Bradford has played, to this point, he has a better comp% than sanchez had last year with a better team around him.
in other words, Bradford at his worst is still better than sanchez at his best.
but OMG we need sanchez in there.
i thought it was weird how some of you were so annoyed by his sleeves but i am now firmly on board. hard to take him seriously when he looks so ridiculous.
Is Chip The GM/Coach not calling deep routes because he isn't confident Bradford can get it there? I mean they're not even going with, as Sunny mentioned, the seam routes and intermediate crossing routes that are usually wide open (ala Ertz and the James Casey vs NYG play).
Agholor has speed to go deep. And Matthews is fast enough to go deep and he has the size to fight for a ball.
KKK is awful.
Huff, when healthy, has the speed.
But as a whole, I agree that the receiving group is less than ideal.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2015, 10:38:35 AM
Agholor has speed to go deep. And Matthews is fast enough to go deep and he has the size to fight for a ball.
KKK is awful.
Huff, when healthy, has the speed.
But as a whole, I agree that the receiving group is less than ideal.
agholor isn't getting off the press coverage to get downfield. Matthews cant catch the ball.
They need to scheme Agholor free then...and Matthews has had some drops but that doesn't mean you stop throwing to him. Especially since he's your best WR
Agholor needs some time to make adjustments. He's slowly finding ways to get open, now he needs to catch the ball. Not many college WRs can jump right in and play at an NFL pace. Matthews started off slow last season then had that two TD game and played well the rest of the way. I don't think Agholor will play at Matthews level last season but he'll contribute at some point...if for no other reason than all the WRs behind him are so bad.
aggy looks f'n lost out there. he & bradford aren't even on the same book, nevermind the same page.
yeah, yeah...rookie wr and stuff.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2015, 10:47:53 AM
They need to scheme Agholor free then...and Matthews has had some drops but that doesn't mean you stop throwing to him. Especially since he's your best WR
yeah cause scheme always trumps everything else.
bottom line is this, for various reasons the offense is not in sync yet, but to call for Bradford's benching this quick is not the answer.
Scheme doesn't trump everything else...but you can use it to your advantage. It takes the HC and OC to recognize it and use it to get the guys in open space though. Like SD said Matthews struggled last year and then the light clicked for him. I expect the same for Whoa Nelly.
I know they're not going to yank Bradford now and probably not at all this year. But I just don't think he can get it done based on what we have seen these three weeks.
Quote from: smeags on September 28, 2015, 10:36:36 AM
so far, even as bad as Bradford has played, to this point, he has a better comp% than sanchez had last year
actually he doesnt
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2015, 10:38:35 AM
Is Chip The GM/Coach not calling deep routes because he isn't confident Bradford can get it there?
what do you eman cant get it there?...he played at oklahoma for three years and for the rams...hes not some mystery player that no one has ever seen before...he obviously has a strong enough arm to go downfield and he certainly has a stronger arm than sanchez or foles
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2015, 11:49:28 AM
Quote from: smeags on September 28, 2015, 10:36:36 AM
so far, even as bad as Bradford has played, to this point, he has a better comp% than sanchez had last year
actually he doesnt
you're right and I really need glasses when a 64 looks like 61 .... :paranoid
that said Bradford's 62% isn't as bad as I thought it would be and I don't see anyway in hell that sanchez would do better.
i was kind of surprised that he was even in the 60's....but bad throws that are caught look good for you in the numbers but when watching the game stick in your head
that second half against the falcons (85%) seems so long ago....rest of the season (56%) seems more relevant at this time
No doubt Bradford needs to play better but no way you bench him, yet.
wait so is benching bradford the answer or what?
Quote from: phattymatty on September 28, 2015, 01:42:09 PM
wait so is benching bradford the answer or what?
that depends on whether you're jay or someone else.
What if you're Sanchez?
They should start Sanchez and move Bradford to Guard. Occam's Razor in effect. Sometimes the simplest solution is the right one.
I think Bradford would work better as a corner. Nobody's better at keeping receivers off the stat sheet.
...except for the receivers. THAT's whom you move to corner.
quite a think tank we got going here.
It'd be nice if the balls that hit the receivers in the hands didn't routinely hit the ground immediately thereafter.
Seriously, Bradford has sucked in five of the six halves he's played, but those drive killing drops are just demoralizing. He's skittish as hell back there and his mechanics are a mess, but he's got talent. He just needs some time to settle in with these clowns. Hopefully someone will get open and catch the farger when they do.
you sound like chip
all he did was make excuses for bradford....blamed everything on the drops
for a guy who claims to not "play the game" and be a politician, he certainly seems like one there, overtly defending the dude he traded a 2nd rounder to get
So...are you IN on Bradford or not?
I would like to know wtf is going on with the drops. Balls hitting hands, helmets, chests....drops all over the field.
Quote from: hunt on September 28, 2015, 10:54:39 AM
aggy looks f'n lost out there. he & bradford aren't even on the same book, nevermind the same page.
yeah, yeah...rookie wr and stuff.
Agreed, this rookie shtein ain't gonna fly. Watched some of the Titans/Colts game yesterday (now that MM is there we'll be seeing a lot of the Titans in Hawaii) and Green-Beckham and Dorsett both came up with some big time catches in clutch situations for their teams. They look far from lost.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 28, 2015, 05:39:05 PM
I would like to know wtf is going on with the drops. Balls hitting hands, helmets, chests....drops all over the field.
I looked in to this, and it turns out that these receivers are not actually DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, and Jason Avant. They're actually three iceholes who can't catch. Weird, right?
probably also not helping that the only guys getting open have the word "running" in their position titles
Even the running backs have had the dropsies. It's not like Bradford is throwing Randy Johnson fastballs out there either. He's got a good arm, but a lot of the drops are literally right in the sweet spot and these bitches just keep letting them hit the ground. I can't remember more drops in such a short time from any Eagles team. To be fair, McNabb ignored the receivers completely and routinely tossed them into the dirt. Vick threw the most gorgeous ball you've ever seen, but usually to the guys wearing different color laundry. Foles was Foles... some good, some bad.
I don't know why this keeps happening but they better get this shtein straightened out. And soon.
Quote from: MDS on September 28, 2015, 04:41:08 PM
you sound like chip
I must have missed the part where Chip said Bradford sucked in five out of six halves he played.
Can someone help me out with that quote? kthxbye.
Quote from: Rome on September 28, 2015, 06:12:44 PM
Even the running backs have had the dropsies.
I bet if josh huff played running back he would fumble more and not hit holes as well as Ryan Mathews
Quote from: Rome on September 28, 2015, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: MDS on September 28, 2015, 04:41:08 PM
you sound like chip
I must have missed the part where Chip said Bradford sucked in five out of six halves he played.
Can someone help me out with that quote? kthxbye.
Quote from: Chip Kelly
Bro, Bradford was total ass for two and a half games so far.
<---- Owned
Quote from: Chip Kelly
Bro, Bradford was total ass for two and a half games so far.
Is that from the ask an eagle forum ?
No, Chip's Instagram account. He was holding up an x-ray of Bradford's face to show all the balls he sucked.
Technology is awesome
@RoobCSN: The bottom five active QBs in yards per attempt: Henne, Fitzpatrick, D. Anderson, Ponder and ... dead last ... Bradford.
Did Bradford steal your woman or something, Jay ?
Haha no
He annoys me and I hate Capt Checkdown QBs
sanchez though
Phreak's got a shameful Tebowner.
Sanchez would move the offense better...so yeah
probably time to put the computer machine down for the night, big guy
Off the field is still movement, so he's technically correct.
Look I'm no Sanchez lover. He's flawed and throws stupid picks.
But he moves the ball better than this guy Bradford right now
look beyond the best option at this second. it's about development, putting in sanchez now doesn't do shtein for the future of the franchise. maybe bradford's not the answer but you have to figure it out and you don't figure that out by sitting him.
Quote from: SunMo on September 29, 2015, 08:12:49 AM
look beyond the best option at this second. it's about development, putting in sanchez now doesn't do shtein for the future of the franchise. maybe bradford's not the answer but you have to figure it out and you don't figure that out by sitting him.
you cant reason with him...you have to understand that he now wants bradford benched but as of less than two weeks ago he had bradford winning the superbowl...im not be sarcastic when i say that he truly believes now that if you put sanchez in the team still has that chance
it's been a short violent descent into sports crazytown for our friend, The Phreak
Quote from: SunMo on September 29, 2015, 08:12:49 AM
look beyond the best option at this second. it's about development, putting in sanchez now doesn't do shtein for the future of the franchise. maybe bradford's not the answer but you have to figure it out and you don't figure that out by sitting him.
Neither one of them is the answer unless the question is, "which quarterback sucks?"
I agree that keeping Bradford in there is the better choice. The season isn't a total dumpster fire yet especially considering how horrid the NFCE is this year. Bradford gives you a better shot at staying competitive for as long as possible. But know this... we're going to see Sanchez before the end of this year. No doubt in my mind Bradford goes down for the count. He looks like a drunken flamingo out there.
Quote from: SunMo on September 29, 2015, 08:21:09 AM
it's been a short violent descent into sports crazytown for our friend, The Phreak
one of his keys for the superbowl win was for bradford to stay healthy which has easily been the best thing about his season thus far
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2015, 11:09:16 PM
Sanchez would move the offense better...so yeah
how do you know this ? what example do you have to go by, with this personnel ?
#startsanchez
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000446270/Sanchez-s-interception-sets-up-Eagles-loss
Like I said - he's known for some dumbassery.
And lol at "can't reason with him" coming from the internet's most stubborn person
Buttfumble is known for some dumbassery?
Bradford is not the answer but I don't believe in Sanchez either. Might as well give Bradford the whole season to see what he can do. If he flames out the entire season, the real problem is who is the future QB. Trade for a Kap or draft a QB? Not saying I want Kap, but I would like to see another QB get a shot at this offense.
If you're Chip the obvious answer is trade picks for Jay Cutler, but that's silly because Chip's probably gone.
RGIII is this teams QB next year. Book it.
Probably dumb because the team isn't winning anything this year anyway, but if Baltimore goes to 0-4 Thursday I might call and see if I could get Steve Smith for a 6th.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 29, 2015, 04:36:52 PM
Probably dumb because the team isn't winning anything this year anyway, but if Baltimore goes to 0-4 Thursday I might call and see if I could get Steve Smith for a 6th.
culture and he's 5'9
But he'd finally give Cooper that fight he's wanted for so long.
Imagining Smith whipping KKK and calling him fucc boi makes me laugh
Quote from: MDS on September 29, 2015, 04:40:20 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 29, 2015, 04:36:52 PM
Probably dumb because the team isn't winning anything this year anyway, but if Baltimore goes to 0-4 Thursday I might call and see if I could get Steve Smith for a 6th.
culture and he's 5'9
more important than that chip would have to admit he farged up the WR position and scheme doesn't trump talent and I don't see him doing that yet
and I'm not saying he's wrong for believing this because again we are 12 quarters into the chip/Bradford era but I fully believe that he believes Bradford is going to turn this all around and the passing game will be fine
Quote from: SD on March 11, 2015, 01:38:51 PM
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Jeff McLane @Jeff_McLane 13s13 seconds ago
Chip Kelly said he was offered a first round pick for Sam Bradford this morning.
Dear god please take that offer and run
I'd take Mccown straight up for Bradford right now. How happy is Cleveland they didn't make this stupid trade.
First int, all four people open.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR3Mls8WcAAbpsj.jpg:large)
Everyone was open on the Ertz endzone pick too.
And he missed Huff on the drag route in the Dallas game when he gifted Jello Brain Lee with a pick.
His field vision is shtein.
You'd have a hard time seeing the field, too, if your pupils were fully dilated all the damn time. I'm surprised he doesn't have to wear a welding mask to drive.
Hahahahah
Somehow a 6'4" QB was unable to see his receivers or throw over the defensive line.
He's brain dead?
put in sanchez, man
theres a dude who doesnt turn it over
Once again, simpleton, no one says he's flawless with protecting the ball. He's got his issues
But he'd be better than I Am Sam
bradford after not playing for two years and having arguably the worst wr's in the nfl has still only been marginally worse than sanchez at his best last year
I know what will happen if sanchez plays....im not sure whether bradford will get a lot better or not....plus you don't give up your starting qb and a second round pick to bench a guy who hasn't played in two years after four games...stop being a louie from perkasie
he could be like that idiot i heard on 97.5 yesterday that wanted rex grossman
No way. That's just farging stupid. If that guy who said that is married I hope his wife divorces him for being a stupid idiot.
If Slinging Sammy B keeps throwing picks you eat the trade and forget about it and play Sanchez.
Sanchez doesn't win you any of the games that they've lost, so I don't know why you're so worked up about this.
I think Sanchez wins that Dallas game
I hope Bradford proves my whining wrong but I doubt it
You're dumb, and also a butt.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 21, 2015, 09:02:51 PM
I hope Bradford proves my whining wrong but I doubt it
you are missing the point....he could suck for the rest of the year and it still would have been stupid to bench him now much less two weeks ago when you first started calling for it
this isn't a debate over whether he will improve or not...I happen to think he will.....this is about the ridiculous notion of benching him for marc sanchez five minutes into the season
He's better than Foles will ever be despite his propensity for throwing picks. I don't think he's the guy after watching him for half a season, but it was worth a gamble. I'm done with him but I don't see how Chip can just pull him and put in Sanchez.
Hard to say I'm done with him when he'll be the starting QB the rest of the year.
We saw what we had with Sanchez last year... mediocrity that helped lead to a collapse out of the playoffs.
Bradford is coming back from basically two lost years. He may or may not get better at this point, but his ceiling is still stratospheric compared to Sanchez.
They'd probably be better with Vick, though.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 21, 2015, 09:15:09 PM
They'd probably be better with Vick, though.
Definitely fits Kelly's system better than either of the other two.
Like I said...I hope I'm wrong
So put in Sanchez
you have 2 options
1. stick with bradford and hope he gets better....if not he performs at the exact same level mark sanchez would
2. put in mark sanchez
you choose #2
I think Dirty would be better bc he would help open up the running game a bit more bc he can run the read option.
I blame those stupid shoulder pads. I swear he didn't look this goofy in college or St. Louis.
Well on second thought.
(http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/bradford.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 21, 2015, 09:42:06 PM
I think Dirty would be better bc he would help open up the running game a bit more bc he can run the read option.
lol
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 21, 2015, 09:42:06 PM
I think Dirty would be better bc he would help open up the running game a bit more bc he can run the read option.
go back and read this to yourself out loud. then think about what you've done. :sly
:-D
j talks about sanchez as if hes never seen him play or that the guy doesnt have a long track record of awfulness in the league....its craziness
i get that sports talk radio fans always want the back up no matter what but jesus christ its marc fargin sanchez....not tyrod taylor or some shtein
not sure about j, but most of the bradford hate comes from the folks who seriously overrated foles. and apparently, the next phase of foles separation anxiety is an unrealistic view on sanchez that completely ignores everything he's done in the league. :paranoid
my dislike for Bradford has to do with his play, what else does anyone need ?
but no, no sanchez please.
Quote from: hunt on October 22, 2015, 08:55:07 AM
not sure about j, but most of the bradford hate comes from the folks who seriously overrated foles. and apparently, the next phase of foles separation anxiety is an unrealistic view on sanchez that completely ignores everything he's done in the league. :paranoid
j overrates just about every current player on all his teams....thats why the bradford lunacy is so weird...maybe he doesnt consider him an eagle yet or something
Quote from: hunt on October 22, 2015, 08:55:07 AM
not sure about j, but most of the bradford hate comes from the folks who seriously overrated foles. and apparently, the next phase of foles separation anxiety is an unrealistic view on sanchez that completely ignores everything he's done in the league. :paranoid
It's possible to think Bradford Foles and Sanchez all suck.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on October 22, 2015, 09:15:36 AM
Quote from: hunt on October 22, 2015, 08:55:07 AM
not sure about j, but most of the bradford hate comes from the folks who seriously overrated foles. and apparently, the next phase of foles separation anxiety is an unrealistic view on sanchez that completely ignores everything he's done in the league. :paranoid
It's possible to think Bradford Foles and Sanchez all suck.
absolutely...and folks like that aren't clamoring for sanchez...because they know he sucks.
a lot of people didnt like what they gave up for bradford and of course his health issues but i dont know many if any people who didnt like the idea of a healthy bradford over foles as the eagles qb
There's no universe where Sanchez is the answer, even philosophically. He's mediocre at very best and hurts you the most when you can least afford a mistake. Fact. Then layer onto that the fact that Chipster is paying Bradford $13 million this season, and invested a second round pick to acquire the guy. And the fact that it's possible he could actually play better as the season progresses as he really hasn't played for a few years. So to say that Bradford has a shteinload of rope would be an understatement. You can't bench the guy you're that invested in and who has some upside for a marginal player with no upside. It's not like there's a real answer on the team. And when there's no real answer, the coach will go with the option that will make him look least stupid.
So Chip's going to apologize and retire mid-season?
J hates injuns
Quote from: General_Failure on October 22, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
So Chip's going to apologize and retire mid-season?
That would be entertaining.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2015, 09:22:35 AM
a lot of people didnt like what they gave up for bradford and of course his health issues but i dont know many if any people who didnt like the idea of a healthy bradford over foles as the eagles qb
Pretty much this. I liked Foles a lot, but I don't think his ceiling is anywhere near as high as Bradford's...and I don't think that any rational human being would either.
And sometimes it's hard to remember that the guy hasn't played in 2 years, and before that he was only in his 3rd year. Not saying that I believe in Sam Bradford, but between the price the Eagles paid to get him and knowing exactly what you have on the depth chart behind him, you might as well ride him the entire season.
It's not like the Eagles resigned Sanchez in the offseason and told him that if the Bradford thing doesn't work out, he's going to be the franchise qb. If he had that kind of potential, the Eagles wouldn't have traded for Bradford in the first place.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 22, 2015, 09:49:21 AM
If he had that kind of potential, the Eagles wouldn't have traded for Bradford in the first place.
yeah they signed sanchez to a fairly hefty back up deal purely because of bradfords knees....not cause they think hes the answer
they signed him to that deal because opposing defenses have to respect his running ability.
right ???
it's obvious that J finds sanchez as dreamy as rex ryan did, before their breakup.
Sanchez is kind of the perfect back up QB. If your starter goes down for a few games, Sanchez is capable of playing really well over short stretches of time. So if you need to cover like 1-3 starts, you should be just fine with him. But if your starter has to miss like half of a season, Sanchez will come crashing back to Earth and remind everyone why he isn't an actual starter. He simply can't sustain a high level of play for extended periods of time.
lololol
I don't know if I can be any clearer on this.
I know that Sanchez is what he is...I mean we saw him last year for extended time. We saw him be mobile enough to have a defense have to respect the read option. Not that he would turn into some speedster but he can do it enough to help open up the run.
I know he throws awful picks at times...but not nearly as brutal as Bradford's.
Ten more pages of this, please.
wait im confused i thought j had the eagles winning the super bowl
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 22, 2015, 10:32:12 AM
I know he throws awful picks at times...but not nearly as brutal as Bradford's.
career td to int ratio
bradford +21
sanchez +2
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2015, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 22, 2015, 10:32:12 AM
I know he throws awful picks at times...but not nearly as brutal as Bradford's.
career td to int ratio
bradford +21
sanchez +2
yeah but I bet sanchez's stats under Kelly last year were much better.
oh wait.
Quote from: smeags on October 22, 2015, 12:48:31 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2015, 12:44:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 22, 2015, 10:32:12 AM
I know he throws awful picks at times...but not nearly as brutal as Bradford's.
career td to int ratio
bradford +21
sanchez +2
yeah but I bet sanchez's stats under Kelly last year were much better.
oh wait.
+3 (14 td/11 int)
And this kind of points to what I was talking about with Sanchez being perfectly fine for a few games, but not fine for an extended period of time:
His first 3 games last year the Eagles went 2-1 vs Hou (lol), Car (lol), GB (omg!). He threw 6 tds and 4 int. He started 2 of them and came in to relieve Foles against Houston.
For the final 6 games, the Eagles went 3-3 (4 of those were division games). He threw 8 tds and 7 int.
All in all, the Eagles were 4-4 with Sanchez as the starting QB.
So when you ask for Mark Sanchez to replace Sam Bradford, you're essentially asking for a .500 football team.....which is exactly what they have
right now with Bradford.
Only difference is that Bradford can actually still play better, which will make the team as a whole much better. He's not likely to play any worse. So at worst with Sam Bradford you get the same results as you will with Mark Sanchez at his best.
There may be fewer of them, but Bradford's INTs look so much worse?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 22, 2015, 10:32:12 AM
I don't know if I can be any clearer on this.
There is no amount of clarification that can make a dumb thing a not dumb thing. If there was, IGY wouldn't post so often.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 22, 2015, 01:41:36 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 22, 2015, 10:32:12 AM
I don't know if I can be any clearer on this.
There is no amount of clarification that can make a dumb thing a not dumb thing. If there was, IGY wouldn't post so often.
haaa
look at the crowd im dealing with
how's the air up in your stratosphere, King?
Not much oxygen, brain damage.
Lol
@AdamSchefter: If Sam Bradford plays half Eagles' off plays this season, STL does not have to trade its 2016 4th-round pick to Philly. 7th start tonight.
So Bradford is noncommittal about returning eh?
Bye bye
That's a really silly way of interpreting him saying that he's focused on the Arizona game.
I have no idea what was said but let me guess.
some reporter said sam are you ready to come back next year.
he said i'm not thinking about next year, only this weekend.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 16, 2015, 08:29:59 PM
So Bradford is noncommittal about returning eh?
Bye bye
its getting sad, stop
You're getting good at this irony stuff.
The poor guy has Stockholm Syndrome. (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/sam-bradford-says-he-wants-return-eagles-next-season)
Chip said yesterday essentially Bradford will be back. Still the case? I'd say yes.
Player coach.
Depends on what farging HOWIE wants
bradford mentioned that he didnt want to have to change offenses again
well
Right, because this one is so fargin' good.
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2015, 07:51:41 PM
Chip said yesterday essentially Bradford will be back. Still the case? I'd say yes.
Let him walk and you're closing the door on having a decent (aka better than Sanchez) QB next season. If you're resigned to next year being a four win season, then you might as well let him walk and work on the rest of the team with the savings. I don't have strong feelings either way right now, let's see who the next clown coach is first.
Next year is going to be a garbage season anyway, why tie yourself to a 29 year old quarterback that might be okay?
Quote from: General_Failure on December 29, 2015, 08:20:27 PM
Next year is going to be a garbage season anyway, why tie yourself to a 29 year old quarterback that might be okay?
Well, to avoid the situation half the league has been in for 5 years... having a quarterback that isn't even okay.
last seven starts he has a 98.5 passer rating which right now would be good for 8th in the nfl
Yeah he was very solid last half of the year. I want him back if the contract makes sense.
Same. He's been good, especially the 2nd half of the season. And he stayed healthy for the most part. I'd almost rather see them franchise him than sign him to a new contract. Tag him and evaluate for 1 more year under a new coach/offense.
From Peter King's article
He doesn't like Philly and that's not surprising to hear. He always seemed a bit disconnected. Not everyone likes playing in a sports crazed city.
QuoteBradford won't be motivated to return to Philadelphia over any other team now that free agency looms. His agent, Tom Condon, is a get-the-most-you-can-regardless-of-team guy, and Bradford isn't crazy about Philadelphia the city anyway. He probably wishes there was a team in his favorite place, Oklahoma City. And who's to say the next coach—current offensive coordinators Adam Gase of Chicago and Doug Pederson of Kansas City are popular early names—will want Bradford at $18 million a year or more?
Oh wonderful, Mrs. Madson.
i like how "isn't crazy about Philadelphia the city" = doesn't like Philly
or his agent wants the team that can control his movement to overpay on a long term deal
So remember that time I said Bradford was going to bide his time and get a monster deal from someone?
No!
Quote from: Rome on January 05, 2016, 07:02:53 PM
So remember that time I said Bradford was going to bide his time and get a monster deal from someone?
how did no one else think of that?
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/01/what_are_the_eagles_going_to_do_with_sam_bradford.html#incart_river_index
QuoteBottom line is it appears the Eagles are going to let Bradford hit free agency in March.
If I'm Bradford, I'm telling my agent to not even show me any offers until March. I think the Eagles would have to come in with a ridiculously huge number or just franchise him to avoid him hitting the market.
chip is such a pos
It's that a reaction to a new chip story or just a statement overall ?
its a reaction to giving up all they gave for half (i dont count the first half when he was still working his way back from injury) of a 7-9 season from a guy....ridiculous
the only saving grace is that chip is gone so you can at least justify a new regime letting him go
i don't see any reason to let him go from a rebuilding standpoint. you can turnaround in the NFL really quickly and Bradford is only like 28. so if the new HC is good with Bradford i don't see a problem locking him up long term.
qbs are so hard to find and you have a good one right now. you are a couple of guards and a competent wideout away from being a pretty good offense.
ive been on record for locking him up no matter who the coach is....im just saying it would be preposterously awful if the guy who engineered the trade didnt keep him
its more palatable if a new guy comes in studies his film and deems him not worthy or not the kind of qb he wants for his team
either way its going to be disgusting watching r2 (13) this year if hes not on the team
QuoteWhen asked if the Eagles were negotiating a new deal with Condon, Eagles head coach Doug Pederson said, "Yes. Yeah."
Howie Roseman acknowledged that the Eagles and Bradford's camp are talking.
"It's never productive to talk about an on-going negotiation, but we've been pretty clear we'd like to have Sam back. It's along those lines. One of the great things about the Combine is you get everyone together in one place, so when you have pending free agents, you're able to talk to those representative face to face and eye to eye.
New 2 year deal? 2?
i don't even know whether to be happy or not. i guess it's one less thing to worry about.
seems fair all around...doesn't lock the birds in long term to a guy who is still only one year removed from missing two straight years....and if he performs he's still way young enough to get a huge long term deal
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2016, 04:35:36 PM
seems fair all around...doesn't lock the birds in long term to a guy who is still only one year removed from missing two straight years....and if he performs he's still way young enough to get a huge long term deal
Love this deal and kudos to Howie. Two years for a guy with an injury history, gives them time to either groom another QB while simultaneously seeing if Bradford can be the future.
QuoteNo financial terms of the deal have been announced, but Adam Schefter of ESPN reported that the deal is for $36 million and includes $26 million guaranteed.
$26M guaranteed is more than fair. If my math is correct they just saved themselves $7M off the franchise tender and guaranteed him $6M more than he would have received with the tag.
I'm not sold on Bradford at all but he's better than any other alternative available.
Let's just hope they do something with the savings by shoring up the O-Line and getting a receiver in there who is faster than IGY.
This looks like the perfect deal, all things considered. 2 years is exactly what they needed to do with Bradford.
So far, I'm very pleased with Howie's ability to retain good players. I'm still scared shteinless about him running a draft, but for now, I'll give him some credit for doing a good job.
Quote from: Rome on March 01, 2016, 04:45:24 PM
$26M guaranteed is more than fair. If my math is correct they just saved themselves $7M off the franchise tender and guaranteed him $6M more than he would have received with the tag.
I'm not sold on Bradford at all but he's better than any other alternative available.
Let's just hope they do something with the savings by shoring up the O-Line and getting a receiver in there who is faster than IGY.
I'm assuming Sanchez gets cut too saving them $5 million. Really no reason to have him on the roster.
after this deal is complete I believe Sammy b will have made 115 million bucks in his career
Quote from: SD on March 01, 2016, 04:51:22 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 01, 2016, 04:45:24 PM
$26M guaranteed is more than fair. If my math is correct they just saved themselves $7M off the franchise tender and guaranteed him $6M more than he would have received with the tag.
I'm not sold on Bradford at all but he's better than any other alternative available.
Let's just hope they do something with the savings by shoring up the O-Line and getting a receiver in there who is faster than IGY.
I'm assuming Sanchez gets cut too saving them $5 million. Really no reason to have him on the roster.
[hungergames]Why would they cut their best QB?[/mockingjay]
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
after this deal is complete I believe Sammy b will have made 115 million bucks in his career
And he'll have spent almost all of it on medical bills.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 01, 2016, 04:53:43 PM
[hungergames]Why would they cut their best QB?[/mockingjay]
haha
thank god it is only a two year deal.
Quote from: SD on March 01, 2016, 04:51:22 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 01, 2016, 04:45:24 PM
$26M guaranteed is more than fair. If my math is correct they just saved themselves $7M off the franchise tender and guaranteed him $6M more than he would have received with the tag.
I'm not sold on Bradford at all but he's better than any other alternative available.
Let's just hope they do something with the savings by shoring up the O-Line and getting a receiver in there who is faster than IGY.
I'm assuming Sanchez gets cut too saving them $5 million. Really no reason to have him on the roster.
I agree he's gone but it's 3.5 mil in savings
QuoteZach Berman @ZBerm 34s34 seconds ago
Sam Bradford has a news conference at 2 p.m. on Thursday to discuss the new deal.
I hope he doesn't blow out a knee walking up to the table.
As long as he doesn't injure his signing shoulder, I think he'll be ok.
good deal
they can either lock him up or get out of this and dont get killed....couldnt ask for anything more
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CciwpQUXEAQG0Fj.jpg)
Quote from: MDS on March 01, 2016, 07:43:51 PM
good deal
they can either lock him up or get out of this and dont get killed....couldnt ask for anything more
That's the beauty of it, from what I can see. The cap hit this year is less than what they'd have to eat with the franchise tag. If he lights it up, he earns that second year. And if it doesn't work out, dropping him by mid March 2017 avoids another big chunk of guaranteed money.
players sam bradford has targeted in his nfl career
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccfj_2tW0AAwUkX.jpg)
It's like looking at a list of HOF locks. Bradford has been a lucky guy.
That list isn't going to look any better after this season.
If the stars align, by the end of Bradford's new contract Celek just might pass Cooper on that list.
who cares sanchez is better
Top two are former Eagles too
how many of those 35 targets did agholor actually catch ?
he caught everything sanchez threw at him
Said all the right things at his pc. Wanted to come back here all along blah blah blah
He invited Matthews and Ertz to his home to work out, and Matthews sent this out on Snapchat this morning:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeKd3h2WIAEdaB3.jpg)
oooops....good lookin big picture howie
Bradford has full blown butt hurt mode engaged.
Trade his lousy ass and get a pick or two, Howie.
I mean - no one forced him to re-sign. He was a free agent. So he takes the money and now wants to cry? farg off. Go find another team, clown.
Eagles should trade him to Denver just to farg with buttfumble.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2016, 11:26:36 AM
I mean - no one forced him to re-sign. He was a free agent. So he takes the money and now wants to cry? farg off. Go find another team, clown.
to be fair, that was all on his agent. sam wanted to be here and his agent didnt inform him that this might happen. condon takes 10% for a reason, dude shoulda known. if im sam i fire him.
the pre 6/1 cap hit is too much to trade bradford unless they get a 1 for him, which wont happen.
it's true Bradford should be on his knees thanking allah he's making the money he is next year but howie played this out in pretty much the first way possible....just throwing shtein against the wall and hoping it sticks
joke franchise doing clown things
Quote from: MDS on April 25, 2016, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2016, 11:26:36 AM
I mean - no one forced him to re-sign. He was a free agent. So he takes the money and now wants to cry? farg off. Go find another team, clown.
to be fair, that was all on his agent. sam wanted to be here and his agent didnt inform him that this might happen. condon takes 10% for a reason, dude shoulda known. if im sam i fire him.
the pre 6/1 cap hit is too much to trade bradford unless they get a 1 for him, which wont happen.
True - if his agent didn't apprise him of the options and different scenarios then its solely on him.
However when he signed weren't the Eagles still at 13? If they were then how is anyone to know that Miami makes a stupid trade to allow them up to 8? Because at 13 they have no shot of getting up to where they are now.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2016, 11:25:02 AM
Bradford has full blown butt hurt mode engaged.
Trade his lousy ass and get a pick or two, Howie.
Agreed. They can still start Daniel as the sacrificial lamb for a season until Wentz is ready. That's actually a better situation.
Quote from: MDS on April 25, 2016, 11:30:17 AM
the pre 6/1 cap hit is too much to trade bradford unless they get a 1 for him, which wont happen.
this is what I was wondering about any trade at this point.
you'd think this dude would want a chance to prove he can beat a D2 QB who will most likely be a bust. guess not.
Great. Now we can stop pretending he was going to last a full season and let whatshisface get the reps he needs.
Hahahaha this team is such a farging trainwreck.
He actually broke his ankle stamping his foot.
Nice to see that the team is a big happy family now that Chip is gone.
i've never seen wentz take a snap and i kind of don't want to.
eagles always win the offseason.
I couldn't stand Bradford from the beginning. His only redeeming characteristic was he wasn't Sanchez. The guy signs a contract of his own accord and now he wants out?
farg you, bunny eyes. Just take your unearned money and gtfo.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 25, 2016, 12:48:24 PM
you'd think this dude would want a chance to prove he can beat a D2 QB who will most likely be a bust. guess not.
well said
I don't think he's worried about beating out wentz I imagine he's upset that no matter what he does next year he's gone and has to start all over again who knows where...I guarantee when he re upped with the Eagles the unwritten agreement is that Bradford had a year or two to prove himself as the Eagles qb of the further and that was all blown up with the trade up to 2
Mark May just torched him on NFL live. He referred to Herm Edwards and they brought up the fans reaction. I didn't think it a possibility but with the draft coming up and a few teams that still need qbs I can see him restructuring and getting moved. Would be nice to get a 2nd back but I'm not holding my breath.
just seems like a gigantic dumb move on sammy's part. why do this now? nothing really changes for the next year or two and if he miraculously becomes the best qb in the league next year then he's still the starter regardless if the #2 pick is on the bench or not.
I'm guessing he wants a long term deal and stability and to some extent and I imagine he had this chance in philly until the trade for two was made....now he's nothing more than a stop gap qb who will for like the fifth time in his career have to go to a new coaching staff and organization and start over with a short term contract that says prove yourself all over again
what makes absolutely no sense here is why howie caked off Bradford Daniel and made the trade for wentz...Serbs like he's just playing fantasy football with no real plan
3 QBs is a terrible plan for fantasy football.
Roseman knows he's a short termer unless he finds the QB of the future so he wanted three chances to get it right.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 25, 2016, 03:30:56 PM
Roseman is a short termer unless he finds the QB of the future so he wanted three chances to get it right.
Daniel has zero chance wentz is a long term shot..the one legit short term win now chance to save his job wants the hell outta dodge....at best this was poorly thought thru at worst it's complete incompetence
Quote from: phattymatty on April 25, 2016, 02:59:53 PM
just seems like a gigantic dumb move on sammy's part. why do this now? nothing really changes for the next year or two and if he miraculously becomes the best qb in the league next year then he's still the starter regardless if the #2 pick is on the bench or not.
Exactly right
Or they talked to Bradford before the deal for the #2 happened and his answer was different than the one he's giving now
Bradford isn't worth the money he got from the Rams. He's not worth the deal he got from Howie either but signing a two year deal is the definition of let's see what happens on both sides. Now his vagina is all dry and scratchy over signing it a few weeks later?
Gimme a freaking break already.
So is he gonna do situps in his driveway or not?
Next question.
Yea, he'd probably break his back on the 3rd one.
Quote from: Rome on April 25, 2016, 04:19:05 PM
Or they talked to Bradford before the deal for the #2 happened and his answer was different than the one he's giving now
Bradford isn't worth the money he got from the Rams. He's not worth the deal he got from Howie either but signing a two year deal is the definition of let's see what happens on both sides. Now his vagina is all dry and scratchy over signing it a few weeks later?
Gimme a freaking break already.
he wants stability and his best chance at the time was to have a year or two try out with the Eagles then sign long term if he continues to play like he did the second half of last season...now a month after signing he's almost certainly got no long term future and will have to find a new team and start all over in 2017 as wentz/goff is clearly pedersons guy moving forward...the Eagles have basically said to Bradfords face that we have no idea who our future qb is but whoever the Rams don't take that's who it is not you
I like Bradford but howie needs to move him and get out of this debacle he created
I put no blame on Howie. He went with his best option at the time. He couldn't foresee he'd be able to move up to #2 for a QB he liked. Bradford's getting paid, shut your mouth, play your best, and teams will want you.
Demanding a trade several weeks after accepting an extension is exactly the sort of behavior that teams look at and cringe. I'm sure there are teams out there who need a QB and smell blood in Philly because of this, but if I had a need I'd look for someone who's less whiny and more interested in winning a job by earning it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2016, 05:45:05 PM
the Eagles have basically said to Bradfords face that we have no idea who our future qb is but whoever the Rams don't take that's who it is not you
If only they could have given him some hint that he wasn't the future, like picking up another mediocre QB or only signing him for a short-term deal.
Send him back to Chip in San Fran. Sort of like a modern day crucifixion, only with CTE and ACLs.
What would be great in all of this is if the Eagles were planning to draft a defensive player this whole time.
So the Eagles can't actually trade him, right? If the Eagles roll into next season with Chase Daniel and Carson Wentz, win three games, and hand over the #1 overall pick to the Browns, Howie might as well clear out his desk.
Bradford doesn't have a hell of a lot of leverage here. Financially a trade wouldn't yield the Eagles much, and because it's out in the open that he's unsettled, I don't expect teams would be offering much compensation. He could hold out, but that would cost him big bucks and valuable time he could be using to demonstrate his talents for his next team. He's not getting any younger.
as the bradford turns
QuoteMike Klis @MikeKlis 30m30 minutes ago Lakewood, CO
Prominent NFL source: Broncos reached out to PHI re: Bradford. Unable to confirm w/ team but NFL source: PHI asking price too high. #9news
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9812778/cf/vick.png)
Bring back Vick!
Just kidding.
And yeah if the Eagles trade Bradford and blow the season and Cleveland picks one overall Howie is done. Well then again maybe not bc he's Teflon Howie and he does no wrong in Lurie's eyes.
Asking price is high to justify the $11m sunk cost if they deal him
Quote from: hbionic on April 25, 2016, 08:09:40 PM
What would be great in all of this is if the Eagles were planning to draft a defensive player this whole time.
Myles Jack reportin for duty
Jets ain't interested
The Crybaby said he's not cool with playing for Chip again
Denver asked and didn't like the price of admission
Guess what? No market for him.
FTB
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20160427_Agent_s_defense_of_Bradford_a_joke.html
Sonic boom.
Marcus Hayes making sense
WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO
so anything new on the Samantha saga ?
eagles twitter made up a bradley roby rumor
Whiny Philly media types (David Murphy and Mike Sielski) saying how the Eagles are assaulting poor Sammy's character.
Get the farg outta here - really?
If his character is as soft as his body then he's probably been crying in the shower all week.
Is he a loofah guy or no?
No, he's got one of them Axe body scrubbers that totally isn't a loofah because he's manly.
That should be put into a column somewhere to prove his manliness
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2016, 03:46:30 PM
Whiny Philly media types (David Murphy and Mike Sielski) saying how the Eagles are assaulting poor Sammy's character.
Get the farg outta here - really?
Fonzie and Big Bird get paid to generate page views. That's their sole function in life. They know as much about football as Todd does about free Hoyda.
IGNORE THEM.
[SD]there is no such thing as free Hoyda.
cheapest Hoyda is the Hoyda you pay for in straight cash and it leaves afterwards[SD
QuoteTo the tune of "Build Me Up, Buttercup" by the Foundations
Chorus:
Why won't you play for us (Play for us) Sammy B baby,
Please don't hold on out (Hold on out) You're messing around
And then worst of all. (Worst of all) You won't text us back Sam
Though you signed the deal (Signed the deal) . But I besleeve still,
We need you. (We need you) To be our QB Sammy
You know Howie said you would staaaart.
So play for us, Sammy B, don't break our heart.
We might draft a QB, said Roseman and Dougie
But you're shocked, you should've seen it man. (bah-dah-dah)
I get why you're pissed but don't do it like this.
it's not you, we have to do what's best
So Sammy Sammy, let me say, (Hey, hey, hey!)
Look out for you, but this ain't the way, (Hey, hey, hey!)
To handle this.
You gotta make us regret losing you.
Ooo-oo-ooo, ooo-oo-ooo
https://youtu.be/iol0B-clFFM
Pederson's been reaching out to Bradford, but Bradford won't return his calls. What a bitch. Don't know if Samantha realizes this but the only team that still needs a QB is the Jets and they're better off sticking with Fitzpatrick.
FTB
He's not helping his own stock, even for next year. And as far as Condon is concerned it's not helping a new signing bonus that the agent gets paid from either.
Quote from: SD on April 29, 2016, 06:38:34 AM
Pederson's been reaching out to Bradford, but Bradford won't return his calls. What a bitch. Don't know if Samantha realizes this but the only team that still needs a QB is the Jets and they're better off sticking with Fitzpatrick.
denver still needs one...Paxton lynch might be two years away....but Bradford has made himself so toxic that probably no one would want him and anyone who still may is not going to give value....especially for 11 million...i especially cant see a first class franchise like Denver wanting someone who is doing what Bradford is doing
i still think tho that all this is much ado about nothing until Bradford shows that hes willing to give up checks and doesn't post at mandatories
I actually think the Eagles have leverage here. Sure they'd want Bradford this year but in the grand scheme of things does it matter to them if he just never shows up?
they have leverage in that sense...they can just let him rot...at the same time I don't think they do all they have done in the offseason without counting on the best qb on their roster by far to be their starter...they are trying to win this year....if this wasn't the case Pederson wouldn't be trying to reach out to Bradford...shtein they wouldn't have signed him in the first place
Yeah but you and I know the ceiling for this team is probably 9 wins. 10 if you're feeling very generous. So to me, idgaf whether Bradford ever comes. This year is just a stall year now until we figure out whether Wentz is any good.
They signed Bradford as an insurance policy after seeing how Chip couldn't move up last year to get his QB. They aren't doing anything great this year so it doesn't matter anyway. They'd be damn lucky just to make the post season much less win anything. Bradford's choice is to sit out the season, sit out until game 10 so he gets paid something, or else stop whining, suck it and come in. The only leverage he has is the team not wanting him to become a cancer which isn't his style anyway. They would be just as well off with Daniels starting several games this year until Wentz can come and start preparing for the future. Wake me up in '18.
If he sits out and refuses to play the Eagles will bury his ass. They handle guys like that like the mafia does.
If the NFL didn't penalize teams for releasing guys, I'd cut his ass immediately. He's toxic now.
True but that's where they've also made mistakes in recent years. Not recouping compensation for assets they invested in would be the business side. Bradford is a potentially valuable asset and if he doesn't play at least he (probably) isn't getting hurt.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 29, 2016, 10:01:37 AM
Yeah but you and I know the ceiling for this team is probably 9 wins. 10 if you're feeling very generous. So to me, idgaf whether Bradford ever comes. This year is just a stall year now until we figure out whether Wentz is any good.
I disagree....with a healthy Bradford they could easily win 10-11 games in this division...but putting win totals aside they have an equal chance to win the division as any other team in the nfce (assuming romo ages and doesnt stay healthy which I am counting on)
that's not to say that they also have the same equal chance of finishing last in the division but the point is that mine yours or anyone elses opinion on the eagles ceiling is irrelevant...the organization is trying to win this year and that's all that matters as far as Bradford goes
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2016, 10:46:44 AM
with a healthy Bradford they could easily win 10-11 games in this division
Could they win the superbowl with a unicorn, too?
Bradford didnt even begin to get back to game ready until midseason last year and the atmosphere was a dumpster fire in the locker room and they won seven games....
farging minnesota won 11 games last year
not sure if anyone has noticed but this league is not good and the division is a lot worse than the league....if you think its some outlandish notion that the eagles could win 10-11 games this year then you just aren't paying attention the nfl
but again my point here is not to make win total predictions....its that the organization is trying to win and that makes a difference in the Bradford saga
There's a significant chance Bradford is the best QB on the roster by a wide margin. They won't cut him and probably won't trade him. Think about the 2016 team without Bradford. If Chase Daniel gets injured in Week #2, and Wentz steps in and is immediately Aaron Rodgers, hey, all problems solved and we can laugh about that toxic crybaby Bradford forever. But if the Eagles stink, the trade for Wentz will be spoken about in the same way as the Ryan Howard contract or the Bynum trade, at least in the short term. Even if Wentz grows into a strong starting QB over the next few years, the people who brought him to the Eagles will no longer be around to enjoy the fruits of their labor.
Howie saw this as a chance to have a promising young QB learn under a seasoned vet who would keep them competitive in the short term. And if Bradford suddenly blossomed into a top QB and Wentz was struggling through camps and practices, I think there was a real opportunity for Bradford to stay long term, in spite of what the Eagles gave up for the pick. Now it seems like that door is closed, so the choice comes down to 2016. How bad are the Eagles willing to risk being this season?
I think Howie knew he was making a huge long term gamble on Wentz, but I don't think he envisioned this trade having such a huge impact on the team in the 2016 season.
or maybe sleeves gets over this and decides to play football
he will, its only april.
Quote from: MDS on April 29, 2016, 12:43:47 PM
or maybe sleeves gets over this and decides to play football
That's the ideal situation. Of course, he'll have to do some serious act(s) of contrition to rescue himself from the fans' ire. If he's sore now, imagine how his fragile little ego will be when the crowd at the Linc get done with him.
I don't think Philly will forgive/adopt this guy, unless he leads the team to a Super Bowl, of course.
Even then...he's a punk and it's clear. What you gonna do.
Wait out the next couple of zesty years and hope Lurie maybe dies a little?
when he comes back it will be spun as though condon was orchestrating it all and that there was mis communication btwn bradford and the team
or he goes
ayo...my b....caught feelings over c dub....tried to bounce....no spot to lay my head....all good now
The Eagles Screwed Sam Bradford
The quarterback is absolutely right to demand a trade somewhere, anywhere.
By Mike Missanelli | April 29, 2016 at 6:00 pm
Sam Bradford is a crybaby.
Sam Bradford is a weakling who is afraid of competition.
Sam Bradford doesn't have the resume to dare pull off a holdout.
Sam Bradford is absolutely right.
Ignore the first three sentences of this column and focus on sentence number four. Sam Bradford was done a dirty deed by the Philadelphia Eagles and his only alternative is to demand a trade somewhere, anywhere else.
Now I'm not blaming the Eagles for making two savvy moves to move up in the NFL draft, to get to number two, to take North Dakota State quarterback Carson Wentz. It was something they had to do to get a franchise quarterback into their system, a kid who could play the position for the next 10 years. But when they did that, they should have also been fostering a trade at the same time for Bradford, who then became a total lame duck.
Bradford essentially is a call girl with the Eagles, a temporary date who'll get kicked out the door at the end of the night. When he signed the two-year deal the Eagles offered him months ago, he likely signed it with the idea that he could eventually turn that into a longer term contract by playing well. Now he doesn't have that chance. No matter how well he plays — and let's face it, the best the Eagles can do this season is 9-7 — he's going to be cut or traded at the end of the season so Wentz can begin his Eagles starting QB tenure.
If he is moved to another team, he would have the chance to play for a longer term deal.
Put yourself in Bradford's spot. Your boss has told you that you have a job now, but after one year, you are out the door because the company has recruited some young Harvard grad. Meanwhile, there is another company to which you could go and make the same money, where you are wanted. Wouldn't you want your company to trade you to that other company?
Bradford's NFL resume might not give him the clout in this league to demand anything. But that's beside the point.
Once the Eagles drafted Wentz, Bradford had no future in Philadelphia. And now he wants out. And if the Eagle don't comply, there's going to be an ugly cloud that hangs over the progress they want to make.
Trade him to Denver. Now.
The attempt to liken it to the normal person at their job doesn't ring true. Want to bring in my replacement but I'm sitting on $11m? Go ahead.
mm has been pushing that shtein for 4 days now....gotten a lot of calls, which is his goal.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2016, 07:00:41 PM
The attempt to liken it to the normal person at their job doesn't ring true. Want to bring in my replacement but I'm sitting on $11m? Go ahead.
There's nothing wrong with looking at it this way. I don't have a problem with Bradford wanting to be traded. But he/his agent are making fools of themselves with the way they've handled things. If Bradford would have gone to the Eagles and just asked for a trade without throwing a farging temper tantrum, I think most people would get it and wouldn't fault him for wanting to go somewhere he might have a long term future. Just be a man about it.
totally agree
I think Bradford was not done well by the organization kinda just mindlessly winging things as they went along but he's handled it about as badly as you can
the completely leaving novacare going home and not taking calls from the Eagles is a horrible look
the funny thing is the two sides deserve each other as it's an inept winless franchise in the number one overall sports city in the world vs a winless number one overall draft pick QB
looks the team really wants sleeves back
QuotePederson, who has reached out to Bradford, said that he still hasn't spoken to the quarterback since the request. Only one Eagles player has reached out to Bradford, a team source said.
that news is like a week old
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 30, 2016, 10:15:54 AM
the funny thing is the two sides deserve each other as it's an inept winless franchise in the number one overall sports city in the world vs a winless number one overall draft pick QB
How true. Ding vs. Dong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOBvELJCeco
(http://media.philly.com/images/1200*800/Wentz-Bradford-1200.jpg)
Haha that's good
haaa
poor sammy. one little bitch move and he's essentially done.
I still think the chances he is the opening day starter are no less than 98% right now
Oh I totally agree. One or two games and everyone will forget.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 03, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
Oh I totally agree. One or two games and everyone will forget.
That's about all he'll last until he gets hurt
I hope that's the case. Bradford gives them their best chance to win games this season. This whole thing seems uncharacteristic of him. He's been the most boring and professional guy his whole career. Either he got some bad advice or just he was finally pushed over the edge after all the years of injuries, bad receivers, and other problems outside of his control. His frustration with his career is understandable, but he's acting like a bitch when he should have the mentality that this is the season to finally prove what kind of QB he is. He's not coming off an injury, he's up against a weak division, and he's playing for big money. Plus, the team has made it clear that the starting job is his for the duration of the season, unless he really sucks. This is Philly bro, man up.
Peter King:
Quote4. I think—of all the people I spoke to over draft weekend—when I brought up the Sam Bradford-is-ticked-off angle, here is how many NFL folks (coaches and GMs mostly) had empathy for Bradford: zero.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 03, 2016, 12:53:18 PMOne or two games and everyone will forget.
For who, for what?
One or two games with spectacular success will do the trick. Any hint of a falter will spell his end.
Thank god they loaded up on offensive weapons.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on May 03, 2016, 08:31:51 PM
One or two games with spectacular success will do the trick. Any hint of a falter will spell his end.
this would be the case if he wasn't doing what hes doing now because fans are going to want to see wentz regardless....probably one of the reasons he acting like he is right now....not defending him but I understand...hes in about as bad a position as a qb can be
but either way this act will only accentuate it if he come out the gate bad
Quote from: General_Failure on May 03, 2016, 09:55:19 PM
Thank god they loaded up on offensive weapons.
this is another thing Bradford is probably salty about...when he signed hes thinking cool....a top pick to get me a lineman or wr rb...then over nite it goes from that to having two picks in the first 150 players of the draft and one of them is your replacement
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2016, 10:07:54 PM
this would be the case if he wasn't doing what hes doing now because fans are going to want to see wentz regardless....probably one of the reasons he acting like he is right now....not defending him but I understand...hes in about as bad a position as a qb can be
As a friend of mine would say, if you're in a hole, STOP DIGGING! The guy just can't get out of his own way at this point.
does Samantha listen to his agent when he does interviews ? can't he tell how this is coming off to the rest of the sane world ?
The thing that baffles me about this now, is at some point Bradford and Condon to realize no teams need a starting QB. Every team either has a Veteran backup or drafted a young guy. So at this point just suck it up and play.
Quote from: SD on May 04, 2016, 12:29:20 PM
The thing that baffles me about this now, is at some point Bradford and Condon to realize no teams need a starting QB. Every team either has a Veteran backup or drafted a young guy. So at this point just suck it up and play.
exactly. and I get where Bradford is coming from but he's in a no win situation. condon failed him all along this process.
If reality was a concern for either of them they wouldn't have uttered a peep. Bradford is lucky to have gotten the deal he received. It's not like he didn't have an opportunity to test the waters. He's a spoiled brat. Let him farging rot.
why do you hate native americans so much, romey ? :paranoid
Dot > Feather
Quote from: SD on May 04, 2016, 12:29:20 PM
The thing that baffles me about this now, is at some point Bradford and Condon to realize no teams need a starting QB. Every team either has a Veteran backup or drafted a young guy. So at this point just suck it up and play.
if he has no leverage and doesn't want to be with the team then theres absolutely no reason to return until he starts losing checks...this doesn't start to become a story until june 7...snd not fully until he doesn't show up to camp
I'm sure it's a big deal for his teammates who are there busting their asses while he's tipping cows back in MA.
I rather doubt that. This isn't the county permits department.
Quote from: Rome on May 04, 2016, 05:16:13 PM
I'm sure it's a big deal for his teammates who are there busting their asses while he's tipping cows back in MA.
but no one is doing anything right now much less busting their asses...now if they are out there sweating in june and hes not there then perhaps there might be a guy or two who is salty...which is why I say this isn't a story until hes not there june 7 and has no reason to be anywhere until june 7
in the end i dont think the other players will ever be an issue....he will be back and will be starting week one and all will be fine in the lockeroom...the fans and media are the ones who are going to remember all this
We'll remember it as some bullshtein that happened when the team sucked, if we remember it at all.
Even TO blasting him now: http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/05/terrell-owens-sam-bradfords-trade-request-sign-of-a-coward/
I've seen instances of cognitive dissonance before but wow that's a beauty.
Truly impressive.
I read speculation that Bradford will retire rather than come back now, which I thought was ridiculous until I remembered the story that he contemplated retirement last time he rehabbing his acl, because it hurt to much. It would save the team a lot of cap space and '16 is a throw away year anyway. I'd rather see them be able to get some compensation back, though. All this does go to show what a terrible idea it was when the NFL used to give top draft picks $50 million before they took a snap (or had a snap, as the case may be).
That speculation is all Reuben Frank. I can't see the guy retiring. At the end of the day I think he sucks it up and plays for the Birds this season. Frank said this is all Sam and not Condon, that he's just representing his clients wishes.
I don't question the guys talent, but now I know why they're moving on from him. He's not driven like a QB should be. He's not an alpha male or a leader.
roob is a dope
and yeah hes not retiring
also he didn't contemplate retirement previously because his rehab hurt...he contemplated it out of frustration and disbelief over injuring his knee immediately after returning from his first knee injury...players who have multiple major injuries often go thru this stage....he hadn't even started rehab yet
id trust roob with restaurant recommendations in south jersey, and thats about it
barwin has been making the rounds today saying sam will be in anyway, so...move on to other things, philadelphia
Hopefully he blows his brains out and we all move on.
:-D :-D :-D
QuoteOn The Mike and Ike Show Friday afternoon, Barwin said that he expects the 28-year-old signal-caller, who has skipped voluntary workouts in hopes of getting traded, "to be back in the next week or two and to be the starting quarterback next year."
Those sentiments are certainly the company line that both Pederson and executive vice president of football operations Howie Roseman have stuck to since making the trade. Barwin later expanded on the subject on Philly Sports Talk.
"You got to talk to [Bradford] and he'll say what he wants to say, but my feeling from talking to him was that he'll be here sooner rather than later," Barwin said on Comcast SportsNet." And obviously he'll be here when has to be here for mandatory camp."
Barwin also expressed that he and his teammates would welcome Bradford back, at least in part because they view the six-year veteran as the starter for the next season or two. It certainly seems that Bradford and Tom Condon don't feel that way, though.
"I've had guys drafted in the first round behind me, they weren't the number two overall pick," Barwin said on CSN. "So it is different and we have to be honest about that, but it always comes down to how you perform and that's what I said to him. And if he plays well, everything will take care of itself."
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 06, 2016, 03:09:17 PM
also he didn't contemplate retirement previously because his rehab hurt...he contemplated it out of frustration and disbelief over injuring his knee immediately after returning from his first knee injury...players who have multiple major injuries often go thru this stage....he hadn't even started rehab yet
"because it hurt too much" was literally meant to be taken figuratively.
fair enough....but the retirement notion is ludicrous on its face....to then try and connect his previous knee injuries with his current roster issue as a way to support the narrative is far fetched to say the least
His retiring wouldn't be the worst outcome.
FTB
Watched Barwin on CSN this morning regarding Bradford. Barwin is Mr. Nice Guy, and even he called Bradford a bitch in his own way. He said something along the lines of he was the #1 pick, and he's never had to deal with adversity. Every year there's been a guy drafted in the first round at my position, so I just dealt with it.
Self indulgent brat.
I don't think it's likely he'd retire but it wouldn't surprise me. Now you have players retiring just because they are afraid of concussions. Jake Plummer retired largely because he didn't want to compete for the starting position. Who knows what goes through a players head, but Bradford doesn't seem to have any competitive fire. He's painted himself into a corner though the Eagles are blowing him kisses to help the paint dry. He's a bit of a weird dude so who knows what he's thinking.
if he retired because of cte it wouldn't surprise me
if he retires and gives up 22 million cold hard cash that he just signed for 60 days ago because they eagles drafted another qb then it would completely shock me
Quote from: Rome on May 04, 2016, 04:24:23 PM
Dot > Feather
Just saw this and I find it farging hilarious. :-D
coming back today
Quote"I'm excited to be back on the field today with my teammates and coaches. The business-side of football is sometimes a necessary consideration. My attention and efforts are focused on the participation in and preparation for a championship season: I am committed to my teammates and the Eagles organization for nothing less."
Questionable to practice due to diaper rash
Well that was a lot of unnecessary bullshtein. Can we talk about how bad this team will be in 2016 now?
"My attention and efforts are focused on the participation in and preparation for a championship season"
Still holding out hope for that trade to the Broncos I see.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 09, 2016, 11:27:57 AM
Well that was a lot of unnecessary bullshtein. Can we talk about how bad this team will be in 2016 now?
see every other thread in this forum.
Haha. So true, Sean.
Would be pretty hilarious if Wentz beats him out for starter now. I'm not even sure who I'm rooting for. I'd like the Eagles to be good but kind of don't like anyone on the team any more.
look! its sammy sleeves...and some guy
https://twitter.com/Eagles/status/729699996262670336
Quote from: phattymatty on May 09, 2016, 01:24:15 PM
Would be pretty hilarious if Wentz beats him out for starter now. I'm not even sure who I'm rooting for. I'd like the Eagles to be good but kind of don't like anyone on the team any more.
I might be the only one left but I like Bradford quite a bit....still don't understand why they drafted a qb in the first round at all much less moved up for one...sam is 28...lets say he goes out and has a great season this year...you have a qb that still has 7-10 years left and you didn't have to give up a million picks to get him..and if he sucks you can get a qb next year or the year after...I just wish they had a number 1 wr
You're not the only one. I like Sam just fine as a QB, I think he's probably the best one they got. Still think the trade was stupid.
Not really rooting for anyone in particular, I just want someone on the Eagles to become a franchise QB they can lean on for most of the next decade. It could be Daniel for all I know. I also don't need to like the guy. The reason I soured on McNabb wasn't because his personality got worse (it always was cringeworthy), it's because his performance got worse.
if Howie brought Bradford in to begin with they would've never moved up to #2 IMO.
He's back because he has no other choice. Yeah, that's the guy I want leading my squad onto the field.
FTB.
if given a choice 90% of the Eagles roster would be playing in Baltimore Pittsburgh or Green Bay
That's fine, 90% of the roster probably doesn't belong in the NFL.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 09, 2016, 04:32:41 PM
if given a choice 90% of the Eagles roster would be playing in Baltimore Pittsburgh or Green Bay
90% of the 10% who have any talent.
His agent making the rounds yesterday continued to make Sam and himself look foolish.
The pressure on Bradford is now tenfold from what it was.
Pressure, no pressure. Foolish, not foolish. Who farging cares? He's a professional quarterback. He is not in the best of professional situations but he is going to be given a chance to prove his worth for at least one season while making $18mln. That's something most players never get. If he produces, great for everyone! Yay! If not the eagles have a plan in place to move on. I hate the trade up to #2 but there is literally no point in speculating about Bradford's attitude or mental state. He's a short term reality for this team. We should probably learn to deal with it.
But if we learn to deal with it, won't that make our lives that much less worth living?
You're right. Just kill yourselves.
I've been dealing with the fact this soft batch clown is the QB since last year
One more year doesn't hurt. I just find it amazing how poorly they attempted this little power play.
the hilarious thing is that wentz is softer than Bradford
Wrong. For all we know, Wentz is a tough sob. He could be as soft as your dick, but you don't know that any more than anyone else.
Maybe there's something he's just not telling us.
damn dio. :-D
Quote from: Diomedes on May 13, 2016, 06:25:04 AM
Wrong. For all we know, Wentz is a tough sob. He could be as soft as your dick, but you don't know that any more than anyone else.
read up on him
he's a soft batch MA who thinks god will take care of everything
so the team is doomed ?
You can't tell from watching for the last N years?
I just wanna be sure igy is for real this time.
Just look at the time stamp for your answer.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 13, 2016, 02:11:50 AM
the hilarious thing is that wentz is softer than Bradford
oh ok
lolol
Quote from: Diomedes on May 13, 2016, 06:25:04 AM
Wrong. For all we know, Wentz is a tough sob. He could be as soft as your dick, but you don't know that any more than anyone else.
I love Dio.
Quote"I think the relationship with him, and really, the other quarterbacks in the room, I think it'll be great," Wentz said as the team kicked off a three-day rookie minicamp."I think it'll be a really competitive atmosphere. Hopefully, we'll all learn together and grow together and really push each other, and ultimately (that will) lead to benefiting the team and winning a lot of ballgames."
Praise Jesus?
Quote from: Rome on May 13, 2016, 06:52:50 PM
Quote"I think the relationship with him, and really, the other quarterbacks in the room, I think it'll be great," Wentz said as the team kicked off a three-day rookie minicamp."I think it'll be a really competitive atmosphere. Hopefully, we'll all learn together and grow together and really push each other, and ultimately (that will) lead to benefiting the team and winning a lot of ballgames."
Praise Jesus?
lol...wentz is repug
i've been blaming Jesus for this shteintshow for oh the better part of 40 years.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000663210/article/michael-bennett-slams-bradford-for-wanting-to-be-traded?campaign=Twitter_atn
timely
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2016, 01:32:21 PM
when he comes back it will be spun as though condon was orchestrating it all
http://www.phillyvoice.com/sam-bradford-says-it-was-agent-tom-condons-idea-request-trade/
I'm over it.
He said all the right things at his pc. Now lead us to 7-9 and go play for the Jets.
such a home run
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20160518_Sielski__Can_t_blame_Bradford_for_his_business_move.html
this will all be forgotten soon enough, until he throws his 1st int.
bye bye
1st and a 4th from the vikings
Goodbye Sammy!
All hail Howie
Rumors of a 1st in 2017 and a 2018 pick!
OH MY fargING GOD
HOWIE!
its a dumb trade for the vikings....they cant expect to compete for a title with a qb they traded for 5 seconds before the season starts. and especially when that qb is someone as average as bradford. but they did have extra picks and its essentially a 1 year deal, so i guess?
once they offered the 1, howie had to do it. even with sam this season was unlikely to be a rousing success. now you get a 1st rounder back. jews!
2017 1st and 4th coming back
All hail Howie!!
I hope the Vikings blow next season, either way, highway farging robbery and now we have a 1st and the draft is in Philly so big win for all.
Please start Wentz
Completely insane on the Vikings part. That is wayyyyy too much to give up for him. Nice work from the Howitzer, though. Build up assets then wait till someone gets desperate enough to part with a fortune for one of them.
So this is what it feels like to be on the the other side of a terrible trade. Nice.
Squaw asked me just a few days ago if I really wanted to go to the draft since Philly didn't have 1st rounder. Told her there's no way the Eagles would go into the draft - in their own city - without moving up into the 1st round. Didn't expect that to happen so soon though. Nice move, Howie.
So long, Sam. Hello 3-13.
So it's officially a #1 next year and a #4 in 2018. Good work, Eagles. Daniel sucks but he's a clipboard holder for Wentz anyway.
The happiest guy on the team might be McCleod Bethel-Thompson, though.
:-D
And I'm definitely IN for the draft in April.
Holy shtein, what an ESPN alert to hungoverly wake up to
Quote from: Rome on September 03, 2016, 10:56:38 AM
So it's officially a #1 next year and a #4 in 2018. Good work, Eagles. Daniel sucks but he's a clipboard holder for Wentz anyway.
The happiest guy on the team might be McCleod Bethel-Thompson, though.
:-D
i think he actually just got cut, but they can bring him back
the 18 4th will slightly make up for the lost 2nd there....howie doin work
So for Wentz, they've basically given up a 2nd and swapped a 3rd for a 4th.
The Eagles still don't have anything on Eagles.com about the trade.
Nice work, Fellas. Sheepherders in Afghanistan have herd about the trade already but you fargers can't update your site.
Thinking more about this, I think Bridgewaters career is over and the Vikings know it. The Vikings see Bradford as their long term answer going forward. No way they'd give up this much for a one year rental.
So they start Chase Daniel for the first four weeks and then Wentz after the bye?
Quote from: Rome on September 03, 2016, 11:04:03 AM
The Eagles still don't have anything on Eagles.com about the trade.
Nice work, Fellas. Sheepherders in Afghanistan have herd about the trade already but you fargers can't update your site.
It was on the official page on their facebook feed so it's done.
The Eagles salary cap situation just got a lot more roomy too.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/dave-spadaro/article-1/A-Great-Deal-Changes-QB-Picture/0440de8f-4a4c-4069-a9e3-27bb6a69c1ae
Here's Spadaro's propaganda take on it.
Quote from: Rome on September 03, 2016, 11:04:03 AM
The Eagles still don't have anything on Eagles.com about the trade.
Nice work, Fellas. Sheepherders in Afghanistan have herd about the trade already but you fargers can't update your site.
They sent out a news release on it about 10min ago
Buried in Spadaro's piece was this...
QuoteThe Eagles announced on Saturday that they traded Bradford to Minnesota for, hang on here, a first-round draft pick and a fourth-round pick in 2017.
Umm...
damn i had like 9 texts and got nervous that someone died or something. this was much better. smell ya later sammy, there is not a single bad thing about this.
Dont worry, IGY will be along shortly to "find" that bad thing about this and tell us all about it. Not to mention how terrible the Eagles are for making the trade.
I was just wondering if there was anyone who is an Eagles fan who could find fault in this
But I got faith in my boy Havas...even he can't fault this!
So that conditional 4th can go as high as a 2nd based on performance
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 03, 2016, 12:13:16 PM
So that conditional 4th can go as high as a 2nd based on performance
Yeah, guess what isn't gonna happen.
Yeah it's a third if they go to the nfccg and a second if they go to the SB
So yeah a fourth it is
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 03, 2016, 12:13:16 PM
So that conditional 4th can go as high as a 2nd based on performance
Kind of hope the Vikes win the SB now.
Skoal Vikings!
That would put the puck at 32. Nope. Break his leg on the first play from scrimmage. Vikes go 6-10. Eagles get top ten pick. I get shteinfaced at the draft party. Everyone goes home happy. Except Bradford but he's a sullen bitch anyway so farg him.
Wow this team is going to be awful this season. I was already calling for 3-13 with Bradford. Good trade, though.
Quote from: Munson on September 03, 2016, 11:50:14 AM
Dont worry, IGY will be along shortly to "find" that bad thing about this and tell us all about it. Not to mention how terrible the Eagles are for making the trade.
Not gonna lie I'm waiting for his contrarian negative silver lining on this one. I can't see one but he never ceases to amaze.
he thinks wentz sucks so im sure itll revolve around that
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 03, 2016, 02:10:20 PM
Wow this team is going to be awful this season. I was already calling for 3-13 with Bradford. Good trade, though.
I wasn't nearly that pessimistic but I figured 6-10 would be a decent start considering they don't have a running back that can stay healthy or a wide receiver that can out-run me covering him.
I still think 8-8 is the absolute top this team can expect and in the NFC East that might just be enough.
Quote from: Rome on September 03, 2016, 01:49:09 PM
That would put the puck at 32. Nope. Break his leg on the first play from scrimmage. Vikes go 6-10. Eagles get top ten pick. I get shteinfaced at the draft party. Everyone goes home happy. Except Bradford but he's a sullen bitch anyway so farg him.
But it would be a 2nd rounder in 2018!!
No seriously, you're right though. Was focusing entirely on the conditional pick and totally forgot what that would do to the #1. Thanks for setting me straight. You're a good Internet friend.
If the Eagles D is as good as I think it can be, I don't think they will be as bad as some people think. Teams with really good pass rushes rarely are horrible. The Eagles will struggle to score a lot of the season, but I think their D will keep them in every game, and Ryan Mathews is an underrated player. Control the clock with him if he can stay healthy. Plus the NFC East is pretty awful. If Kirk Cousins isn't as good as last season, the Eagles will be in the "playoff mix" through the last few weeks of the season IMO. Ultimately I still think they fall short, but I can't see a team with this defense going 3-13.
Probably the only thing "bad" about this trade is that the conditional pick is based on the Vikings success instead of Bradford's playing time or performance. Would have been pretty glorious if Howie could have talked them into a % of snaps played or # of starts, but I'm guessing Minny wanted nothing to do with that.
Actually there's 2 bad things. ^^that^^ and the fact that it didn't happen 2 days ago before my fantasy draft. I was staring at AP in the middle of the 2nd round and passed because I thought defenses would put 8 in the box every down. Damnit!!
they still will
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on September 03, 2016, 05:03:42 PM
If the Eagles D is as good as I think it can be, I don't think they will be as bad as some people think. Teams with really good pass rushes rarely are horrible. The Eagles will struggle to score a lot of the season, but I think their D will keep them in every game, and Ryan Mathews is an underrated player. Control the clock with him if he can stay healthy. Plus the NFC East is pretty awful. If Kirk Cousins isn't as good as last season, the Eagles will be in the "playoff mix" through the last few weeks of the season IMO. Ultimately I still think they fall short, but I can't see a team with this defense going 3-13.
I'm with you. I think they have a chance to have a top ten defense although I was ridiculed for suggesting such a thing
youre definitely ridiculed more for thinking sanchez is better than bradford, though
Because you're not smart enough to understand me I'll say it once more.
Both suck
But in that previous offense I thought Sanchez would do better. Plus I hated Bradford
Wanna compare their numbers?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 03, 2016, 05:04:55 PM
Probably the only thing "bad" about this trade is that the conditional pick is based on the Vikings success instead of Bradford's playing time or performance. Would have been pretty glorious if Howie could have talked them into a % of snaps played or # of starts, but I'm guessing Minny wanted nothing to do with that.
I never thought of this. You really are a good internet friend for enlightening us!
That could have worked in the Eagles favor if the conditions weren't so stupid. I mean, why would you want playing time conditions for a guy that can't play a whole season?
And guys... let's get a grip on the playoff talk. This offense is going to be a shtein show. Their line is going to likely be a patchwork mess with Peters getting old and frail and Johnson being on a beach for 10 games. The receivers are probably the worst collection of stiffs in the league (although DGB gives me slightly more hope they'll be productive) and the running game consists of a guy who can't stay healthy and Kenjon Barner plus an unknown middle round draft pick rookie.
And now there's Daniel Chase starting for however long until Wentz is tossed into the fire.
Defense or not, an 8-8 season out of these guys should be cause for celebration around these parts.
The offensive line depends on Peters. I think they can survive without Lane if Peters returns (somewhat) to form. Part of me thinks his big dropoff last season was due to Chip Kelly's frenetic offense. Multiple linemen said it was a grind on their bodies. If Peters is relatively healthy, the line will be fine. It won't be great, but look at this line compared to the rest of the league. It's often lost how many terrible offensive lines there are out there. The Eagles are better than at least half of them even without Lane, and if that sounds crazy go ahead and look at some of the lines in this league. The entire AFC South, the NFC North, NFC South, Giants might have the worst line in the league, etc.
The Eagles aren't the only team with line problems, and over the last few seasons watching a bunch of teams, most actually have it worse. The Packers have a horrendous line for example, only made to look passable with Rodgers being amazing.
vikes have some good hands on that team, if they all of a sudden start dropping a shtein load of balls this year, i think we can finally start blaming sam.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 03, 2016, 05:14:31 PM
Because you're not smart enough to understand me I'll say it once more.
Both suck
But in that previous offense I thought Sanchez would do better. Plus I hated Bradford
Wanna compare their numbers?
your hatred of bradford is like the 1000th most mystifying thing about you. the puzzle with no answer.
I've found one who hates the trade
Cataldi
Says it's dumb to give up a likely division championship for a late 2017 1st
Time to retire, Ang.
I had the Eagles penciled in at 3-13 with Sam, but a division crown wasn't totally out of the question, because look at the farging division. The AFC South will be laughing at how zesty the NFCE is by Week 10. Even if they scored a highly unlikely division win, so what? Does anyone see this team blowing by the Packers, Seahawks, and Cards in the playoffs? The main motivation for winning this season is to not have to give up an embarrassing draft pick to the Browns.
I don't think the Eagles will be better this year with a guy who's thrown 26 passes above the FCS level of competition, but at least it's not a wasted season. Let's put some mileage on this kid and hopefully he can eventually learn how to play NFL football. Or he'll get hurt again week 1 and we have to endure a season of Chase Daniel. Whatever.
I had them at 6-10/7-9 before the trade
Now? Not sure and I understand it's going to be rough because the QB is playing real defenses not some division II slappy's with potato farmers in the secondary.
But having Bradford was pointless. This deal was a no brainer.
I like the defense and STs and maybe they still stay in that 6-10/7-9 range.
cleveland is very happy with yesterdays dealings
But are YOU happy?
We are waiting patiently for the verdict
If before yesterday you'd have asked him would he be happy with a 1st and 4th he'd of said of course but it's unrealistic.
Quote from: SD on September 04, 2016, 10:10:34 AM
If before yesterday you'd have asked him would he be happy with a 1st and 4th he'd of said of course but it's unrealistic.
lol so true.
So now he's gonna concentrate on the fact that Cleveland's pick from us is gonna be really really good.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 04, 2016, 10:02:49 AM
But are YOU happy?
We are waiting patiently for the verdict
im ecstatic....i just find it crazy that howie made all those offseason moves to try and win this year then basically bagged the season with yesterdays trade...its good that he took an offer he couldnt refuse and changed in mid plan but its just really weird when you think about all thats happened btwn march 1 and now
He pivoted a couple times
Signing Bradford and then Daniel he thinks that's what they'll go with. Maybe he wants to get up for Wentz but at 13 he couldn't swing it.
When Tannenbaum graciously takes Alonso and Maxwell off his hands and he gets to 8 now he's in position to move. He figured Wentz site as the third guy and realizes he will have to eat money on Bradford after he gets rid of him next year for Wentz to start.
And now the Vikes come begging for Bradford and he flips again. An offer too good to refuse. So yeah good on him for not backing away.
What I really want to know is if the Vikes hardlined their offer at a 2 and let's say a 5 does he still accept? His answers in his PC seem to suggest that he wasn't serious with them until a 1 came into the picture.
Now money that was earmarked for Sammy B can be used on signing their own guys like Bennie Logan
money is irrelevant....bradford was always on a 1 year deal
true
whatever money they have freed up next year needs to go to a WR first and foremost. alshon jeffrey, anyone?
It's not out of the question that Wentz could be better than Bradford would have been. In recent memory, there have been rookie QBs who have came in and played well. Even guys who turned out to be not so good like Robert Griffin III. They played well in their rookie years. Sometimes young QBs have better rookie seasons than sophmore seasons because it takes time for the NFL to figure you out, and then they hit that sophmore wall before they trend upward again.
I wouldn't lay money on a QB without a preseason and coming from D1-AA outplaying Bradford, but it is no done deal that this just throws the season down the toilet either.
Quote from: MDS on September 04, 2016, 08:58:02 PM
whatever money they have freed up next year needs to go to a WR first and foremost. alshon jeffrey, anyone?
No doubt about it. WR and OL. Peters health and durability are a big concern. Hell, bring Pimp back. Pimp is going to go off this year, contract year. Probably go home to Cali.
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on September 04, 2016, 10:15:42 PM
It's not out of the question that Wentz could be better than Bradford would have been. In recent memory, there have been rookie QBs who have came in and played well. Even guys who turned out to be not so good like Robert Griffin III. They played well in their rookie years. Sometimes young QBs have better rookie seasons than sophmore seasons because it takes time for the NFL to figure you out, and then they hit that sophmore wall before they trend upward again.
I wouldn't lay money on a QB without a preseason and coming from D1-AA outplaying Bradford, but it is no done deal that this just throws the season down the toilet either.
The season was already in the toilet, even with Bradford. They play in a weak division, so 9 wins and a Division title with Bradford wasn't an absurd prediction. But they also have so many question marks....with overall talent, depth, and coaching....that 4 or 5 wins with Bradford wasn't an absurd prediction either. It's hard to make any sort of logical W/L prediction because every other team in the division is also dealing with a laundry list of issues. If the Eagles played in a division where there isn't much guess work going on with the other teams, then there'd be much less wiggle room in making a prediction.
I'd say that with Wentz their ceiling drops a little bit but their floor remains basically the same.
At this point, my only real hope for this season is that Wentz plays well enough to look forward to 2017 & beyond, but that he doesn't drastically over achieve like Vick did in 2010 or Foles in 2013.
Totally agree. Bradford is gone, we should all be happy. FIRST ROUND PICK. Never, ever did we see a #1 for him. Never. We should all be popping a bottle of bubbly right now. 9-7 was a pipe dream. 7-9, 6-10 was more realistic. The garbage assembled at WR and not much better at RB was/is not getting this team anywhere.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 05, 2016, 02:44:43 AM
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on September 04, 2016, 10:15:42 PM
It's not out of the question that Wentz could be better than Bradford would have been. In recent memory, there have been rookie QBs who have came in and played well. Even guys who turned out to be not so good like Robert Griffin III. They played well in their rookie years. Sometimes young QBs have better rookie seasons than sophmore seasons because it takes time for the NFL to figure you out, and then they hit that sophmore wall before they trend upward again.
I wouldn't lay money on a QB without a preseason and coming from D1-AA outplaying Bradford, but it is no done deal that this just throws the season down the toilet either.
The season was already in the toilet, even with Bradford. They play in a weak division, so 9 wins and a Division title with Bradford wasn't an absurd prediction. But they also have so many question marks....with overall talent, depth, and coaching....that 4 or 5 wins with Bradford wasn't an absurd prediction either. It's hard to make any sort of logical W/L prediction because every other team in the division is also dealing with a laundry list of issues. If the Eagles played in a division where there isn't much guess work going on with the other teams, then there'd be much less wiggle room in making a prediction.
I'd say that with Wentz their ceiling drops a little bit but their floor remains basically the same.
At this point, my only real hope for this season is that Wentz plays well enough to look forward to 2017 & beyond, but that he doesn't drastically over achieve like Vick did in 2010 or Foles in 2013.
people need to realize that not only did wentz play 1aa he only started for a year and a half...hes inexperienced even at the college level...im not overly bullish on his long term prognosis but i have hope....however this season he is going to be dreadfully overmatched....i wouldnt be surprised if pederson announces today that daniels is the starter...no way would i throw wentz out there in the opener coming off an injured preseason
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/09/04/sam-bradford-trade-minnesota-vikings-philadelphia-eagles-nfl
how is wentz going to get any better with more workouts and half-speed practices against the 2s? his chance to "get ready" was the preseason and that opportunity was lost.
the season is basically a waste. let him learn on the fly. if he throws 100 interceptions, he throws 100 interceptions.
I'd sit Wentz if Lane Johnson is officially suspended. The offensive line is average at best as it is. The last thing I'd do is risk putting my franchise quarterback in the line of fire without a running game to rely on or receivers to throw to without at minimum a good offensive line to keep him upright.
Daniel couldn't be any more disposable if he tried. If he gets killed out there, so be it. Not so much with Wentz.
so you want to bench your qb because 1 tackle is out (lane is playing at least in week 1), thereby wasting essentially his 1st season in the league?
hes 23. not 22. not 21. hes a football player. he needs to play football.
I'd sit Wentz if his risk of injury is heightened by Johnson's absence. I know he's eventually going to have to take the training wheels off but I'd actually rather him watch and learn for a year. I know that's not probably going to happen but it's what I would prefer.
Quote from: Rome on September 05, 2016, 10:12:54 AM
I'd sit Wentz if his risk of injury is heightened by Johnson's absence. I know he's eventually going to have to take the training wheels off but I'd actually rather him watch and learn for a year. I know that's not probably going to happen but it's what I would prefer.
yup...most of your improvment in year one comes off the field anyway....20 starts at north dakota is not going to have you ready to play in the nfl...he needs to first earn how to be a pro then spend mad time in the film room studying how the pro game works....it will make the year way less interesting as theres literally nothing a chase daniels led eagles team give you to look at it...so the selfish thing is to want wentz thrown to the wolves...but long term its not the right move
the biggest thing for wentz is to grow accustomed to the speed, size and talent of the nfl....he cant do that watching film or standing on the sidelines watching chase daniel suck
i dont get this mentality of keeping him in bubble wrap. aaron rodgers was kept in bubble wrap for 3 years and struggled his 1st year in the league. wentz is already 23. just get on with it. most qbs struggle early. im guessing that will be especially so for someone coming from such a low level of college ball. but lets see how he plays. hes not a prima donna loose cannon. hes a jesus freak all american honkey from north dakota. throwing for 150 yards and 3 picks isnt going to break him because at the end of the day jesus still loves him.
Speaking of talent, they have none on offense unless DGB turns out to be the steal of the century. If he isn't, then all a rookie QB is going to learn is how to check down and hand the ball off on a 3rd and 10 draw.
If Johnson gets suspended as seems likely, Wentz will also learn what it feels like to have the same ribs rebroken.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 05, 2016, 12:20:18 PM
Speaking of talent, they have none on offense unless DGB turns out to be the steal of the century. If he isn't, then all a rookie QB is going to learn is how to check down and hand the ball off on a 3rd and 10 draw.
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