Ok...who do you want them to target in FA?
Which of their own FAs do you want back?
Will they foolishly let McCoy go?
I'd like to see them go after Byron Maxwell from Seattle and Revis (assuming NE doesn't pick up his crazy '15 option). The secondary has to be rebuilt.
Randall Cobb
Go after any and all secondary in the draft and FA
Draft or pick up a young OL or two in case some of the old guys start to suck or lose it.
Cobb would be an amazing pickup. Any stud Safety/CB FA would be nice. Williams, Fletcher, I'm not even sold on Jenkins. They all stink. Don't think there's a whole lot out there though. DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT a secondary.
Most free agents I am interested in will surely be retained by their teams. I'd love them to get one of Dez, Demaryius Thomas, Revis, Houston. I think all of them will probably be retained by their current teams, although I have no idea how in the farg Denver would afford to keep Thomas. They sign like 3 massive contracts every year. The only one of those I think that has a chance to bolt is Revis, because Belichick doesn't farg around. Gives you a contract offer and if you bluff, you are pretty much outta there. Showed that with Talib and Welker.
Those are really the only names I know of. Haven't really looked down the list yet. They absolutely gotta get another WR, CB, S, and LB though. Ryans with that achilles is probably shot... and sometime soon they have to start looking at the offensive line. Guys getting older on that line.
difficult to predict exactly what they can/will do until the qb market comes into view
they know its the most important thing....unlikely a game-changer becomes available, but impossible to say now. if you keep foles:
-mccourty
-d thomas (and maclin)
-byron maxwell....plus a restructuring of cary williams
in the draft i go guard and ILB.
a field stretching split end is priority one...that's not to say this is more important than upgrading the secondary but its much easier to get a wr than a top notch cb..and ive said it a million times but when you have a supposed offensive genius as your head coach and billy farging davis as your DC you basically are announcing to the world that you are trying to win with offense....therefore you must stock your offensive with as many weapons as possible to make it unstoppable...this is even more so when you don't have a good qb...all this is why letting go of pimp without replacing him was one of the dumbest things ever
secondary help...again if you can get what you think is a future shut down corner in the draft then go for it....but they don't come by too often...safety is the far more likely area to be significantly upgraded....im not saying the corners wont be different...fletch is obviously gone and maybe Williams too but I wouldn't assume there is going to be much of an upgrade at either spot...its a hard position to give a big offseason bump at
trent cole has to be replaced at olb....he gives his all and much props for adhering to a totally new role but your biggest hope when hes in the game is that he doesn't farg up....put him on the edge and he can still get his hand ful of sacks but you aren't expecting him to actually make plays in space on the outside...they need a tru 3-4 backer there who can be dynamic....oh plus hes old with a ton of mileage...peace out and good luck at one of those halftime things that no one stays in their seats for
mentioned this a few weeks ago but the offensive line is ripe for a complete collapse at anytime...3/5's of it is in their 30's....3/5ths of it has had a season long injury at some point in the last two years and the one guy who isn't in either of those categories is addicted to adderal...this area of the team is such a tricky proposition tho...if what you have comes back and doesn't fade or doesn't get hurt then you can make the argument that nothing here nees to be done...and why should you waste draft picks on starting lineman that may not start when you can help other areas....but at the same time can you keep ignoring the future of the OL and have a calamity on your hands in a couple of years....I think you need to take your chances and ride it out next season....its a win now league and the team and especially chip doesn't have the luxury of using high picks to get a OL of the future....if they had a trustworthy player personnel dept then something you might be able to do is get an OG in the 3rd or 4th round who ends up beating out one of the incumbents...the reason dallas is so different this year than in years past is the OL....I would give a few years off my life to have that unit going forward
needs
1- secondary
2- anything else
I'd give all the rest of your life for it.
The Birds are one of 18 teams interested in Hamilton CB Delvin Breaux. 6'1" 195, played at LSU and also spent time in the Arena League. Can't sign until after Feb 10
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 29, 2014, 12:01:23 PM
mentioned this a few weeks ago but the offensive line is ripe for a complete collapse at anytime...3/5's of it is in their 30's....3/5ths of it has had a season long injury at some point in the last two years and the one guy who isn't in either of those categories is addicted to adderal...
This will be the next major issue on this team after the secondary. Very concerning.
it might or it might not next year but its coming sooner rather than later....the question is how do you walk that fine line between putting too much of an emphasis on it in 2015 versus taking the chance that whatever additions you make this year get derailed in 2-3 years because the OL sucks
i leave it alone this year especially since they dont have a young QB they are grooming...does it really matter what happens next year to nick foles...also OL is a position you can improve in a very short amount of time
lane is going to be here forever
jp they just long termed
kelce i think has many years left
i get what youre saying, but outside of replacing a youngin for herremans...im not sure how they can get younger
get players even younger than the ones now.
Quote from: MDS on December 29, 2014, 08:01:51 PM
lane is going to be here forever
jp they just long termed
kelce i think has many years left
i get what youre saying, but outside of replacing a youngin for herremans...im not sure how they can get younger
like matty said what are you talking about...you could get younger replacements for both guard positions immediately and/or a young future tackle for peters who is is ready for a step back at any time....the question is do you want to do those things now or later...the question definitely isnt "how do you get younger"
fyi the length of nfl deals means nothing
The O line is a fixable problem. The depth after the starters is beyond bad, the dropoff from starter to back up is way too noticeable. The problem is they've only drafted one O lineman in the past 2 years (Lane Johnson). Usually you take guys in the later rounds and groom them as depth.
Iupati tuns 28 in May and is 4-5 years younger than the current starting guards. Just throwing that idea out there
Didn't he have a zesty year this year?
hes too old anyway....maybe im clouded (see: jealous) by the cowboys and what they have done to their line in the last couple of years but i want some young studs up on that johnson
OL don't have to be all young bucks though...Kelce is young and so is Johnson. Peters is still a rock at LT. They could use one or two young guys for depth or if you wanna replace Herremans
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2014, 01:54:19 PM
Didn't he have a zesty year this year?
He was named to his 3rd straight Pro Bowl
(cue igy and todd with some "lololololol pro bowl" replies)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2014, 02:08:48 PM
OL don't have to be all young bucks though...Kelce is young and so is Johnson. Peters is still a rock at LT. They could use one or two young guys for depth or if you wanna replace Herremans
peters was still very good this year but took a clear step back from the dominant force he had been...but im fine with peters and four young guys...however i want some dominant all pro types like dallas got....i like kelce and he can move like crazy but he aint scaring anyone and lane johnson is just ok thus far
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 30, 2014, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2014, 01:54:19 PM
Didn't he have a zesty year this year?
He was named to his 3rd straight Pro Bowl
(cue igy and todd with some "lololololol pro bowl" replies)
hes a road grater sloth type...good for what he does but wouldnt fit chips OL profile...he probably would be cut in camp for not being able to go mad reps
Nah igy is all about the Pro Bowl...he told me yesterday that its a good measurable!
Here's the UFA's:
Nate Allen
Bradley Fletcher
Brandon Graham
Jeremy Maclin
Casey Matthews
Mark Sanchez
Brad Smith
I can only see Maclin and Sanchez coming back. That's assuming no one is stupid enough to sign him to start for them. Graham maybe if some team (Dallas) doesn't blow him away with a big contract.
Polk and Thornton are RFAs
Maehl is an ERFA
9 of the 10 practice squad guys were signed to futures contracts, with the lone exception being LB Brandon Hepburn
Larry Fitz rumored to be gone from ARZ after this year
Yes or no?
he was done this year
He'll end up on a team like Carolina
either on a team like that or on a superbowl contender for his locker room leadership and presence...and also a guy who will make a big play in a clutch postseason game
New England
Kansas City
new england was my first thought...maybe indy....maybe green bay if they don't make the sb
QuoteEliot Shorr-Parks @EliotShorrParks 3m3 minutes ago
#Eagles have roughly $19.7 mil in cap space before any cuts. If they cut Riley Cooper, that number drops to $18.3 mil. Yes, drops.
isnt that the guy that wrote the pimp hit piece?
The calculator he's going by (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space) and the calculator I use (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2015/) differ slightly by a couple hundred thousand dollars, but his actually lists the rollover number right now. Maybe I should have paid attention to that at some point. Yay for the Eagles, I guess. Maybe this year they'll use it instead of letting it all roll over again.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 04, 2015, 01:41:13 AM
The calculator he's going by (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space) and the calculator I use (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2015/) differ slightly by a couple hundred thousand dollars, but his actually lists the rollover number right now. Maybe I should have paid attention to that at some point. Yay for the Eagles, I guess. Maybe this year they'll use it instead of letting it all roll over again.
Good sites there.
Both of them say Trent Cole has to go, so they're pretty accurate about that at least.
I've got a feeling they'll restructure him and shady
I might not renew my season tix if trent cole is back....and I actually love the guy
They could make a fortune raffling off tickets to tell Cary Williams he's cut.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2015, 02:22:52 AM
I might not renew my season tix if trent cole is back....and I actually love the guy
:sly
You'd let your tickets go...because they brought Trent Cole back.
A highly successful NFL player...who still has some left in the tank...and you'd let your tix go?
Does not compute.
No chance that was hyperbole on IGY's part...
KKKooper and Matthews are okay, but Cole is the deal breaker?
Cole is due to make $10 + million next season. no way he's worth even half that. He's way to slow.
In a perfect world the light goes on for Smith because physically he's superior to Graham and Cole.
Quote from: SD on January 04, 2015, 12:06:45 PM
In a perfect world the light goes on for Smith because physically he's superior to Graham and Cole.
yup...man if he could become a legit starter it would take so much weight off the PP dept as they could forget about a big need...its a cliché but its really true....when first or second rounder fail it really does reverberate down the line
the problem is they are not going to know whether he can become something until after the draft and free agency....unless I suppose hes just that bad and they have already decided he cant play
youll know if they bring back old ass trent cole
And they should...at a reduced rate
what semi successful long term philly athlete should a team NOT bring back?
Sorry...bringing back a good player is an egregious mistake and shouldn't happen.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2015, 12:23:36 PM
Quote from: SD on January 04, 2015, 12:06:45 PM
In a perfect world the light goes on for Smith because physically he's superior to Graham and Cole.
yup...man if he could become a legit starter it would take so much weight off the PP dept as they could forget about a big need...its a cliché but its really true....when first or second rounder fail it really does reverberate down the line
the problem is they are not going to know whether he can become something until after the draft and free agency....unless I suppose hes just that bad and they have already decided he cant play
I know you've stated otherwise but from post draft interviews they expected him to be a project pick. Howie said his playing time was dependent on his willingness to learn the defense. There's no reason Smith can't succeed other than he just doesn't have it in him. Athletically he's there. The most pt we saw from him was in the preseason, I remember seeing a superior athlete who lacked heart and football smarts
Heart and smarts are almost as overrated as culture, amirite?!?
Quote from: SD on January 04, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2015, 12:23:36 PM
Quote from: SD on January 04, 2015, 12:06:45 PM
In a perfect world the light goes on for Smith because physically he's superior to Graham and Cole.
yup...man if he could become a legit starter it would take so much weight off the PP dept as they could forget about a big need...its a cliché but its really true....when first or second rounder fail it really does reverberate down the line
the problem is they are not going to know whether he can become something until after the draft and free agency....unless I suppose hes just that bad and they have already decided he cant play
I know you've stated otherwise but from post draft interviews they expected him to be a project pick. Howie said his playing time was dependent on his willingness to learn the defense. There's no reason Smith can't succeed other than he just doesn't have it in him. Athletically he's there. The most pt we saw from him was in the preseason, I remember seeing a superior athlete who lacked heart and football smarts
actually i saw a ton of him in college and at the combine....hes not overly athletic...he runs pretty well thats about it...actually his best attribute coming out was how coachable and smart he was the ultimate team guy....guess they whiffed on that one
as for being a project he only was in the sense that he had to learn a new position but you don't take a five year senior who was his conferences DPOY in the first round as a project....projects are raw young guys with boatloads of talent who have yet to fully develop...yes hes a veteran but trent cole who has no ability to play OLB and is as stereotypical a 4-3 end as you can get for the last decade learned the position over an offseason...its not a difficult transition to make
bottom line is when your first round pick cant get on the field for much of the season even on special teams something went horribly wrong and I don't have much faith that he becomes a player
I never heard of the guy until they called his name so I'll take your word. Here are the post draft comments from Howie:
QuoteAs for Smith, Roseman stops short of calling him a long-range project but makes it clear that because he is moving to a new position and just turned 22, he has a lot of room for growth.
For now, Trent Cole and Connor Barwin will start at outside linebacker, but Cole is going into his 10th NFL season and is 31, and at some point, Smith will likely move into his spot.
"When we look at [Smith], it's the upside," Roseman said. "When you talk about him athletically, he's an exceptional athlete, he's 6-3, 250 pounds, he runs a 4.6, he had 14½ sacks, he was the conference defensive Player of the Year, and we think he's got so much more to grow too.
"Lucky for us, we do have veterans at that position, so we're looking at it more where's he going to be one, two, three years down the line. When you have someone who's an incredible athlete, who's a really hard worker, who's a good kid, who's smart ... it's impressive."
doesnt surprise me that the gm would rave about his first round draft pick....that said I don't even think hes lying or doesn't believe what hes saying...im just going by what ive seen of him...
don't get me wrong hes not a sloth or something...hes a good athlete....I just don't see him being anywhere near exceptional....i think hes like connor barwin but faster....hes not jarvis jones tho or someone like that....put it this way he will not fail in the nfl because of a lack of athleticism...just don't ever expect him to be some freak of nature out there making plays on a consistent basis....I hope to god im wrong...shtein I hope to god he can become a suitable replacement for killa....ill be rooting my ass off for him this offseason....because like weve said its very important that he fills that OLB need this year
From the time they picked him and especially after the Howie comments I chalked him up as a system guy. Never claimed he was a freak of nature just that he's sthletic enough to be a player. I haven't totally written him off yet but my biggest fear is they Andy Reid him and throw him out there when he shouldn't be because there's no one better.
lol...i cant think of marcus smith being picked without thinking of sunny losing it because no one liked the selection (cept for j)
Quote from: SunMo on May 09, 2014, 12:28:24 PM
the board of whiney funholes is acting like whiney funholes. super surprised you guys
Or this:
Quote from: SunMo on May 09, 2014, 12:31:06 PM
super nfl scout sd eagle takes time from spraying CFCs into the ozone and going to women's shelters and asking them why dinner is cold to do a thorough analysis of the eagles' mindset and draft board. well done
The main thought I had about him was that you don't take projects in the 1st round if they are only "athletic enough". A project in the first round is someone who will light it up if everything goes well. Players who are "athletic enough" but are still 1st rounders are Lamarr Woodley and Ryan Kerrigan.
Quote from: SD on January 04, 2015, 01:54:42 PM
Or this:
Quote from: SunMo on May 09, 2014, 12:31:06 PM
super nfl scout sd eagle takes time from spraying CFCs into the ozone and going to women's shelters and asking them why dinner is cold to do a thorough analysis of the eagles' mindset and draft board. well done
haha
Quote from: Dillen on January 04, 2015, 01:58:13 PM
The main thought I had about him was that you don't take projects in the 1st round if they are only "athletic enough". A project in the first round is someone who will light it up if everything goes well. Players who are "athletic enough" but are still 1st rounders are Lamarr Woodley and Ryan Kerrigan.
i totally agree in general....and if you truly believe them that they thought he was an exceptional athlete then that's a huge scouting problem
to me tho I think that was Howie post pick press conf speak...the guy was a senior graduate....team captain with exceptional leadership skills....he came to louisville as a QB i believe and was asked to switch to defense which he was more than willing to do for the sake of the team...super versatile guy on the field who they thought could rush the edge or drop back in space....all chip qualities and why im certain the pick was chips...again we can debate whether or not chip wanted him at that spot but he had chips MO when it comes to players all over him
I'm not gonna to go into a tirade if they keep Trent Cole at a reduced salary, but I don't really see the point. He'd still take snaps away from other options. He's not a great pass rusher anymore, and he's only going to get worse as he gets older. He can't cover anybody. He's solid in run support still, but c'mon. That's the perfect opportunity to go younger at a position. I just don't think he's an NFL starter anymore.
making a team better isnt just about replacing glaring weaknesses like bradley fletcher...you gotta improve wherever you can and that OLB spot is a prime place to get better at
its important to not just try and improve positions that farg up all the time....you also need to address positions that dont ever make plays
Or they could, you know, run a different defense that utilizes the talent they have on the roster in the proper way.
I don't think you're going to run any kind of defense with five players on the field.
The five pence D. Its all the rage.
The latest NFLDraftScout/CBSSports.com mock last night has the Eagles taking Brett Hundley in the 1st, with Trae Waynes going two spots later to Pittsburgh. Kill
Brett? Name test = FAIL.
Plus he said he idolized McNabb so the resident McNabb haters will not like this
Quote from: Rome on January 05, 2015, 12:50:02 PM
Brett? Name test = FAIL.
Black running QB. igy test = PASS.
Much like Havas he's got a little whitey in him.
very little
but just enough
Demaryius Thomas is a FA
If he hits the market....get
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2015, 07:44:04 PM
Demaryius Thomas is a FA
If he hits the market....get
I don't see how he does, unless they hold some of his bad drops against him.
1. Dez
2. DThomas
3. Cobb
Give me one of those guys in that order, plus Maclin back.
Don't see how Demaryius or Dez aren't franchised
very few if any top notch free agents are hitting the open market because of the cap goin up this year....expect lots of oregon ducks this offseason
Quote from: Munson on January 11, 2015, 07:50:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2015, 07:44:04 PM
Demaryius Thomas is a FA
If he hits the market....get
I don't see how he does, unless they hold some of his bad drops against him.
1. Dez
2. DThomas
3. Cobb
Give me one of those guys in that order, plus Maclin back.
If there was a chance to get either Dez or Thomas signing MacLin would be unnecessary. Dez would be a dream but he ain't leaving Dallas
Quote from: SD on January 11, 2015, 08:59:34 PM
Quote from: Munson on January 11, 2015, 07:50:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2015, 07:44:04 PM
Demaryius Thomas is a FA
If he hits the market....get
I don't see how he does, unless they hold some of his bad drops against him.
1. Dez
2. DThomas
3. Cobb
Give me one of those guys in that order, plus Maclin back.
If there was a chance to get either Dez or Thomas signing MacLin would be unnecessary. Dez would be a dream but he ain't leaving Dallas
I mean, Dez is great and all, bu i'd still hate going into the season with Dez and KKKooper. I guess you could put Matthews outside next year but you don't know how he'll respond, might be better off in the slot.
Dez/Mac/Matthews plz. But I'll take Cobb/Mac/Matthews, at least that way Matthews and Cobb can rotate in the slot and neither of them are the white guy.
Quote from: SD on January 11, 2015, 08:59:34 PM
Dez would be a dream but he ain't leaving Dallas
It's not like the Eagles had a shot to get him. I just re-read the 2010 draft results...I stabbed one of my eyes out after reading the 3rd round.
farg this team.
Get Dez/DT
Re-sign Maclin
Set KKKooper on fire.
WRs complete.
Quote from: Munson on January 11, 2015, 09:05:02 PM
I mean, Dez is great and all, bu i'd still hate going into the season with Dez and KKKooper. I guess you could put Matthews outside next year but you don't know how he'll respond, might be better off in the slot.
Dez/Mac/Matthews plz. But I'll take Cobb/Mac/Matthews, at least that way Matthews and Cobb can rotate in the slot and neither of them are the white guy.
Terrance Williams blows but lined up across from Dez he's decent. Williams isn't much better than Kkk but they roll so much coverage towards Dez he becomes open. That's the difference between Dez and MacLin. Teams will game plan to shut Dez down...nobody does that to stop MacLin. I'd love to have both but MacLin would just be a luxury they don't need.
I don't know if you noticed this during the season, but Cooper can't catch.
Hes white too
Quote from: General_Failure on January 11, 2015, 09:12:05 PM
I don't know if you noticed this during the season, but Cooper can't catch.
how would we know....he never gets open to make a catch
he had 50 catches this year on flare screens
And one off the endzone corner pass they attempted a couple dozen times.
Quote from: SD on January 11, 2015, 09:10:53 PM
Quote from: Munson on January 11, 2015, 09:05:02 PM
I mean, Dez is great and all, bu i'd still hate going into the season with Dez and KKKooper. I guess you could put Matthews outside next year but you don't know how he'll respond, might be better off in the slot.
Dez/Mac/Matthews plz. But I'll take Cobb/Mac/Matthews, at least that way Matthews and Cobb can rotate in the slot and neither of them are the white guy.
Terrance Williams blows but lined up across from Dez he's decent. Williams isn't much better than Kkk but they roll so much coverage towards Dez he becomes open. That's the difference between Dez and MacLin. Teams will game plan to shut Dez down...nobody does that to stop MacLin. I'd love to have both but MacLin would just be a luxury they don't need.
Williams was a dud this year, with a unsustainable TDs per catch ratio being about the only the positive thing you could say about his season. I really don't trust Cooper to be any better playing with Dez.
This offense needs more than one sure fire starting WR to really hit it's full potential, the last two years have shown that. DeSean and crap and Maclin and crap both produced pretty much exactly the same results. They've got the cap space and the money to do it, might as well do it. It's not like there's gonna be a lot of FA defenders worth spending money on, those holes need to be filled in the draft.
Quote from: SD on January 11, 2015, 09:10:53 PM
Terrance Williams blows but lined up across from Dez he's decent. Williams isn't much better than Kkk but they roll so much coverage towards Dez he becomes open. That's the difference between Dez and MacLin. Teams will game plan to shut Dez down...nobody does that to stop MacLin. I'd love to have both but MacLin would just be a luxury they don't need.
terrance williams pretty much is mack
Huff is pretty much Dez
dez wishes he went to oregon
Chip could be his surrogate father
Get Josh Gordon. When hes not high.
No way does Dez get out of Jerryland. Don't see the fans or owner allowing it. Cobb will be franchised, D Thomas though is intriguing because Denver has cap issues, and 6 starters need resigned. That'll be interesting.
its so easy to manipulate the cap....a player like DT will only hit the market if denver wants him to
I don't know the ins and outs of any individual Denver contracts but theres always someone like demarcus ware being released to save like 27 million on the cap
I don't think Cobb gets franchised...They seem high on Devante Adams, and need some help on defense. I think they let Cobb walk.
I have to think DThomas is priority #1 in Denver
i'd be ok with mac/cobb/matthews.
now do the eagles try to fill the big void at DB in FA.
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/2015_nfl_free_agency_10_cornerbacks_eagles_could_replace_bradley_fletcher_and_cary_williams_with.html
No to Cobb. He's an undersized slot CB and does nothing for the offense. If they're going receiver it better be an impact guy.
not sure anyone better will be available at WR in free agency.
you dont need to go free agency for a wr....short of someone dominant like dez save your money and just draft one or two
especially one like sd said like cobb...he aint worth whatever hed cost
The WR draft class is supposed to be good again this year.....possibly 10-12 guys picked in the first two rounds, with 5 of them 6'3" or taller (DeVante Parker, NJ kid Kevin White, dismissed Dorial Green-Beckham, Philly kid Jaelen Strong, former TE Devin Funchess)
Kelvin Benjamin would be perfect. Oh wait.
Not needed if they had just kept pimp.
They had already cut Jackson. They should have drafted Benjamin in the first and then still taken Matthews in the second.
But Marcus Smith.
yeah, that was just a troll/joke. The thing with Benjamin was character questions which probably was a Chip disqualification or at the least dropped him a round or two to where it wasn't happening anyway.
too bad marcus smith didnt caught smokin some tree or selling autographs.
Jaelen Strong --- baller
Kevin White is gonna go high...a couple people said they'd rate him above Cooper
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/01/12/looking-maclins-value/
Cardale Jones draft eligible
Running spread read option
Chip at the game
Future Iggle?
His arm has impressed me this game.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2015, 09:55:12 PM
Cardale Jones draft eligible
Running spread read option
Chip at the game
Future Iggle?
That would be really interesting to see how it evolves if he comes out, especially if he starts doing well at the combine, interviews etc.
would def be a better choice then trading picks away IMO. just dont mariota is worth that.
heard one of the draft gurus saying he could start out as a potential 4th round pick.
miniscule sample size obviously but watching cardarelle in the games he played he reminded very much of cam newton
Dude has started three games, can't buy beer yet and announced that he isn't ready for the pros.
Slow
Your
Roll
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2015, 03:03:45 PM
miniscule sample size obviously but watching cardarelle in the games he played he reminded very much of cam newton
Yeah that's who he reminded me of in an admittedly limited sample size. He could just as easily be Logan Thomas though.
The arm/size/speed seem there. People analyzing him say his big flaw is he makes almost no progression of reads yet so he would be a project still.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 14, 2015, 03:15:58 PM
Dude has started three games, can't buy beer yet and announced that he isn't ready for the pros.
Slow
Your
Roll
dont think anyone is saying he's a must have but if he does declare and he's there in the 4th round ? why not ?
OMG He's CAM :crazy
Broken and hated by his coach?
I'd definitely take him in the 4th round as a why the hell not. Foles is going to be the starter next year, and maybe he shows something, maybe he doesn't. Might as well have a young guy to try and groom in the mean time.
Maybe don't take him because they actually need some draft picks to definitely be worth it instead of maybe. You know, for a change of pace.
Yeah but I barely trust them to get a 1st round pick that's worth it, let alone a 4th
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 14, 2015, 02:33:03 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2015, 09:55:12 PM
Cardale Jones draft eligible
Running spread read option
Chip at the game
Future Iggle?
That would be really interesting to see how it evolves if he comes out, especially if he starts doing well at the combine, interviews etc.
Sounds like he is. He went LeBron and called a farging press conference. I don't like that. Either you're going or staying, dude.
So...lets see how the hype machine cranks up
So, taterskins give a 3rd and 4th to move up in the 1st round to get him, is what you're saying?
He's worth using a 4th on...someone will reach and take him in the 3rd or higher.
I have no idea what kind of athlete he is, but imagine if he shreds the combine.
And I can see him leaving if he has no guarantees from the coach and could still be meyered in the bottom of the depth chart.
Haha he decided to stay.
And called a PC for it and says "I don't know why you guys made it a big deal"
Ok buddy lol
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 15, 2015, 03:24:42 PM
I have no idea what kind of athlete he is, but imagine if he shreds the combine.
And I can see him leaving if he has no guarantees from the coach and could still be meyered in the bottom of the depth chart.
Punny
I knew somebody would pick that up
Fearless prediction:
The Colts lose tomorrow. Frustrated with their running backs they ship Vontae Davis to the birds for Shady. Some picks are also exchanged. The birds either try to make a trade for Gio Bernard or sing CJ spiller.
Quote from: SD on January 16, 2015, 06:52:38 PM
Fearless prediction:
The Colts lose tomorrow. Frustrated with their running backs they ship Vontae Davis to the birds for Shady. Some picks are also exchanged. The birds either try to make a trade for Gio Bernard or sing CJ spiller. And then our collective heads will explode.
Quote from: SD on January 16, 2015, 06:52:38 PM
Fearless prediction:
The Colts lose tomorrow. Frustrated with their running backs they ship Vontae Davis to the birds for Shady. Some picks are also exchanged. The birds either try to make a trade for Gio Bernard or sing CJ spiller.
you should have never started playing FF
Piss test SD, please.
nm.....I'll throw the coaching crap in the other topic instead of here
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 19, 2015, 08:24:31 PM
nm.....I'll throw the coaching crap in the other topic instead of here
I know you edited this but regarding Musgrave good riddance. Under Lazor Foles was playing above his talent level, under Musgrave he regressed.
Wonder what Foles is worth in a trade
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/eagles_nick_foles_draws_mixed_reviews_from_nfl_coa.html
Like anything else, he's worth whatever someone is willing to pay.
the key is that hes worth a lot more to someone else than to chip since he doesnt fit his offense
My Foles/trade speculation theory. Article is written by Shore Parks aka Jaccson article guy. Chip leaks info to him to drum up interest in Foles. If nobody bites he can say "teams wanted him" to sell him to the fanbase as the QB. win/win situation.
People think he's actually worth the 10th pick in the draft.
NJ.com is basically Bleacher Report to me. It seems like at some point they made a decision to stand out from the pack by flooding the market with a large number of trollish Eagle stories every day. Actually a pretty good move considering that WIP has been making a killing for years serving the easily trolled Philly sports fan market.
Not saying they're never right, but they seem like the lowest rung of the Eagles beat at the moment.
Is there a highest rung?
Surprisingly, yeah. Birds 24/7. There's also a certain level of basic legitimacy I expect from philly.com and Sheridan at ESPN. The waters start to get pretty murky around CSN... and then watch out below.
Agreed on Kapadia and McManus. Roob is good too
Nj.com fizzled out for awhile when eckel was sick but he used to be the main guy there but you're right they're flooding the market with stuff.
And I cannot see Chip leaking anything to Shorr Parks. If Chip is leaking he's gonna do it to a national guy
Forget leaking info and think of it more like the way Frank Underwood used Zoe Barnes. Chip gives him info so he can paint a bleak picture on Jaccson the day they're releasing him...or to drum up interest in Foles in case he somehow lands Mariota. Shore Parks takes what Chip gives him knowing there's an ulterior motive.
Like I said I don't even think SP is a blip on the Chipper's radar.
I am not discounting them floating out there that Foles is available to see what bites they get though
Sp releases the Jaccson story a few hours before he's released and you don't think there's collusion?
Quote from: SD on January 27, 2015, 06:00:39 PM
My Foles/trade speculation theory. Article is written by Shore Parks aka Jaccson article guy. Chip leaks info to him to drum up interest in Foles. If nobody bites he can say "teams wanted him" to sell him to the fanbase as the QB. win/win situation.
People think he's actually worth the 10th pick in the draft.
chip doesnt talk to anybody, let alone elliot shors parks.
people thinking they know what chip is thinking/going to do is hysterical. the dude is a mystery and you know nothing about him. stop. also that's an issue when he's in charge of your football team but whatever GENIUS
yeah i dont know whats worse sd thinking the philly media has a line to chip or j thinking roob is a good reporter....altho j and roob might be sword fighting over who the biggest eagle homer ever is
How can none of you understand what I'm trying to say
Elliot Shore Parks is Chip's bitch. Chip feeds him shtein for Chip's own personal gain. He has him release the Jaccson story to minimize the damage releasing him may cause. He feeds him info that teams are interested in Foles to drum up interest. People are actually saying he's worth the 10th pick in the draft now. Chip doesn't feed him anything useful, just crap he wants out there. SP gets his story and Chip uses him to get what he needs.
if youre trolling, give it up
if youre not, give it up
chip has literally never heard of elliott shore parks (honestly no one other than us has) and to think he has some sort of bat phone to him is just ludicrous and its not how the man works
Quote from: MDS on January 27, 2015, 10:13:14 PM
if youre trolling, give it up
if youre not, give it up
lol...hes def not trolling and he wasn't the other day either
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2015, 10:15:32 PM
chip has literally never heard of elliott shore parks (honestly no one other than us has) and to think he has some sort of bat phone to him is just ludicrous and its not how the man works
shhhh stop ruining it for sd.
chip knows mclane and les and maybe 1 or 2 others....he does not talk to anybody OTR or even in passing. he talks to the media for the required time and that is IT. he doesnt have a go to reporter. he doesnt have a guy. he doesnt play the game. he doesnt care.
if he has another horrible season and the vultures start circling maybe he will listen to his agent and do some things to get the public on his side, but so long as he cant do anything wrong he will continue to do what he is doing.
Okay, but what if tomorrow there's a story about Foles' ties to the KKK? I mean, he has been known to associate with Riley Cooper.
by name chip knows angelo and that's it...and that is only because hes has a weekly commitment
he has no earthly clue who jeff mcclane or les bowen are
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2015, 10:15:32 PM
chip has literally never heard of elliott shore parks (honestly no one other than us has) and to think he has some sort of bat phone to him is just ludicrous and its not how the man works
So you're saying the timing of the Jaccson story was coincidence? I find that hard to believe.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2015, 10:22:35 PM
by name chip knows angelo and that's it...and that is only because hes has a weekly commitment
he has no earthly clue who jeff mcclane or les bowen are
he references them by name at pressers....he definitely knows who they are. and like i said MAYBE 1 or 2 others. but elliot parks shore is a complete nobody who wrote 1 piece of bullshtein. he is not 1 of the 2 others.
Quote from: SD on January 27, 2015, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2015, 10:15:32 PM
chip has literally never heard of elliott shore parks (honestly no one other than us has) and to think he has some sort of bat phone to him is just ludicrous and its not how the man works
So you're saying the timing of the Jaccson story was coincidence? I find that hard to believe.
that was howie...cant imagine chip would ever do something like that and even if he did he would give it to someone else to pass along he would never talk to a media member directly unless he had to
I'm saying it's coming from Chip...maybe not directly but it's coming from him. See you do understand
well yeah he got rid of pimp but he didn't call elliot shore parks after he did it
Yeah I was gonna say if anyone was leaking to ESP then it was Howie.
Maybe now he can feed him inside info on which bars in Turks & Caicos are good and whether they are switching vendors for the type of ankle tape they buy.
jesus christ shut up
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 27, 2015, 11:18:51 PM
Yeah I was gonna say if anyone was leaking to ESP then it was Howie.
Howie wanted him to stay and him and Chip are no longer seeing eye to eye.
Philadelphia Eagles: safety Nate Allen, cornerback Bradley Fletcher, linebacker Brandon Graham, receiver Jeremy Maclin, linebacker Casey Matthews, quarterback Mark Sanchez, receiver Brad Smith, running back Chris Polk (RFA), defensive end Cedric Thornton (RFA).
Of these I care only to see Maclin, Smith, and Thornton back.
The rest can go. Someone will play secondary, but it doesn't have to be Allen and Fletcher, and whoever it will be could hardly be worse. What the farg. Graham might do okay for someone else but even if the Eagles part ways with Cole, Graham will want too much and get it from a team running a system better suited to him. Whatever, get off the farging Eagles roster, bad taste in mouth. Polk is alright but RB is dime a dozen. Draft a kid. Matthews can take a hike. Sanchez, lol.
I wouldn't lose sleep over any of their potential FA's leaving as long as they properly replace them....its not very often someone hits nfl FA that would be a huge loss...the truly important players rarely get there...for example I would be very surprised if fletcher cox hits the open market
dude trent cole
eagles legend
cant really be in better shape than the birds this offseason....well they could have a higher pick but that would mean they might be further away....but in general they have no really important potential free agents and a ton of money
Some of that cash is gonna go to Cox and Kendricks...maybe Foles...who knows on Boykin and Curry. Really hoping the first two can get done before the season
I would say Maclin is a pretty important potential free agent.
Igy would kindly disagree, sir!
Btw they better not let Boykin go.
maclin is good but entirely replaceable
boykin might not even be good....hes a midget nickelback who will never play on the outside for chip
list of eagles who can never under any circumstances reach free agency: fletcher cox
end list
Why would they want to go into free agency needing two receivers when they already need to look for as many defensive players as they can get?
that shouldnt be their strategy but mack can be replaced in the draft much less free agency which has the potential to contain a fairly loaded FA class...if they lost mack and didnt replace him it would be terrible....but the reason his value isnt super high is because he can be replaced so easily
as for defensive players ...you can upgrade in FA but you rarely get a stud....technically the eagles upgraded at cb the year they signed cary williams and bradley fletcher...very few top end defensive players ever make it to FA and when they do the competition for them is obviously huge....thats not a strategy you want to pin your hopes on...basically you improve via the draft...which is why having chip as the kingpin there is so scary
Quote from: MDS on February 10, 2015, 07:51:00 PM
boykin might not even be good....hes a midget nickelback who will never play on the outside for chip
lol at not being good....hes already a borderline great slot corner...one of the best in the nfl...in todays pass happy league its just as important to be able to cover over the middle as it is on the outside....not to mention hes not just a really good play
er hes a play
maker
The Eagles have two players who I consider unreplaceable - Cox and Peters.
That being said, Maclin falls into the camp that you don't want to try to replace if you don't have to or don't have a concrete better plan in place.
maybe im just a forgetful franklin but tell me the plays he made in the 2nd half of this season
dont remember his name being called a lot
That's partially because Sanchez has a medical condition which doesn't allow him to see more than 5 yards downfield and Maclin is the only WR on the roster who has any semi-consistent ability to run deep routes.
Hey, Cooper can run deep routes just fine. His problems are that he can't get open or catch.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on February 11, 2015, 10:05:08 AM
That's partially because Sanchez has a medical condition which doesn't allow him to see more than 5 yards downfield and Maclin is the only WR on the roster who has any semi-consistent ability to run deep routes.
i was talking about boyk....but yea, maclin too
pimp put up numbers with colt mccoy. maclin is a good WR, but he aint in some kind of irreplaceable level of talent.
in todays nfl you can put almost any competant wr in the number one position in chip kellys offense with kkk jordan matthews and jeff maehl behind him and he will put up numbers
do i want mack gone - no
do i give one flying farg about what team mack is on next year - no
do i want the wr's massively upgraded - yes
Quote from: MDS on February 11, 2015, 10:19:23 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on February 11, 2015, 10:05:08 AM
That's partially because Sanchez has a medical condition which doesn't allow him to see more than 5 yards downfield and Maclin is the only WR on the roster who has any semi-consistent ability to run deep routes.
i was talking about boyk
wait so you are ignoring every game hes ever played except for the ones late last year when people were finally learning to not to go at him because hes really good and also because why would you when bradley fletcher and cary williams play on either side of him?
you are really dumb sometimes
so he nobody threw at him in the 2nd half of last season?
not one pass
Quote from: MDS on February 11, 2015, 10:26:44 AM
so he nobody threw at him in the 2nd half of last season?
not one pass
thats definitely what i said....good job
lil guy's troll game has gone full blown since he moved back to the motherland!
that last one was definitely a troll for papa havas
but really i never saw him riding for boyk
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on February 11, 2015, 09:55:25 AM
The Eagles have two players who I consider unreplaceable - Cox and Peters.
That being said, Maclin falls into the camp that you don't want to try to replace if you don't have to or don't have a concrete better plan in place.
yeah unless maclin is asking way too much there's no reason not to re-sign him.
Quote from: MDS on February 11, 2015, 03:32:44 PM
that last one was definitely a troll for papa havas
but really i never saw him riding for boyk
Him and Boyk are cruising down the schuykill on a motorcycle together
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 11, 2015, 10:19:56 AM
in todays nfl you can put almost any competant wr in the number one position in chip kellys offense with kkk jordan matthews and jeff maehl behind him and he will put up numbers
do i want mack gone - no
do i give one flying farg about what team mack is on next year - no
do i want the wr's massively upgraded - yes
Like :yay
James Casey was released. $4M saved
That's a relief. That should get us into the savings playoffs? Do we have a bye? We?
Prediction: he does well for whoever picks him up.
http://mobile.philly.com/blogs/?wss=/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/&id=292634371
Worilds a target?
I'd be fine with that. He's a good player.
they talkd about him last year until the Stillers transition tagged him.
QuoteTonyPauline
Present word has the Philadelphia Eagles as front runners for cornerback Byron Maxwell.
That's good news
As is this
@ZBerm: Miami LB Denzel Perryman met with Eagles ILB coach Rick Minter last night, got a sense of Eagles' defense
Not going to look it up...was Worilds hurt last year? He's good.
Maxwell, I'm not sold on or interested in. His supporting cast was so good, I doubt he was making them better but rather the other way around. He'll be paid the most of any D player not named Suh, right?
I don't think he was hurt...he had 7.5 sacks though.
I can't see Maxwell being the second highest paid defender but he's going to get paid quite handsomely. I worry a bit about what you said, him being made better from the other three, but he cannot be worse than Mr Fletcher.
He could however be not much better.
Now, I don't think that's the case. I think he's pretty good. But I'm not sure the Eagles should pay what it's going to take to get the most sought after DB. They have cap room, so I suppose they could take a hit if it's a flop. And what other options do they have? Ugh.
Corners are easy to assess because you're just watching their skills in coverage...take Nmandi for instance
I dont know what nfl scout took over dio's body but he's on point here....Byron Maxwell is going to be sickenly overpaid...hes not that good
What about Culliver?
I don't think hes anything special.....but he will be way cheaper and just as good or nearly as good as Maxwell
bottom line is you aren't getting a top flight CB in free agency unless there is a once in a decade type situation such as revis...and only top franchises like new england can make that work
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 20, 2015, 09:20:16 PM
I don't think hes anything special.....but
Sounds like an Eagle.
"Only top franchises like NE...."
Implying the Eagles couldn't nail a big free agent, eh?
Well then again I forgot they're destined to be 4-12
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 20, 2015, 11:37:11 PM
Implying the Eagles couldn't nail a big free agent, eh?
nnnnnnnnnnnnamdi
Lurie's ownership is littered with big name free agents. Nnamdi might have been a bust, but there was also Jevon Kearse, Kevin Turner, Steve Wallace, Jabar Gaffney, and who could ever forget LeCharles Bentley?
cept they didn't have GM of the year chip kelly then
Cons of Maxwell: Not particularly good, expensive
Pros of Maxwell: He is better than Bradley Fletcher
Personally I would prefer Culliver or about 5 other cheaper options who might be better players than Maxwell.
At this point I'd take Jessica Fletcher over Bradley Fletcher.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/02/report-brad-jones-visited-titans-visiting-eagles-on-monday/
they signed him
Who's they?
philadelphia eagles
Same ones that killed Kenny?
bastiches !!
thank god, i was worried he'd get away
I've read this Brad Jones guy sucks...any truth to that? Would seem a like a perfect fit if he did.
How could he possibly approach the greatness of Casey Matthews, though?
@GeoffMosherCSN: Starting to hear talks btw Eagles and both Trent Cole + Brandon Graham aren't progressing very well.
Quote from: hbionic on March 02, 2015, 05:22:09 PM
I've read this Brad Jones guy sucks...any truth to that? Would seem a like a perfect fit if he did.
Pretty much...on the plus side they might have the best special teams ever this season and everyone will be "buying in"
I'm a fan of having the best special teams even if it means that the offense and the defense both choke on cock. Also, if the kicker is better than the quarterback, that is good.
Trent Cole cut.
How much cap space do they have now? Ed?
Over $40M
They're going to hit FA hard.
McCourty and Revis?
Losing Killa sucks too...he'll end up in Dallas.
I wish the guy well.
Half that cash is going to Maclin, Cox and Kendricks
Schefter reporting Shady traded to Buffalo for Kiko Alonso. WHAT
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 03, 2015, 06:35:42 PM
Schefter reporting Shady traded to Buffalo for Kiko Alonso. WHAT
What?
Seriously ran to twitter thinking Ed was trolling.
WTF.
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Oregon strikes again
farg this team
How the farg do you trade Shady for a LB coming off a blown knee and it doesn't even get you closer to getting Mariota, if that's what you want in the draft?
Jesus.
Out.
This is farging bullshtein
I thought they were going to blow up the Phillies?
Kiko Alonso is really farging good, and RBs are generally replaceable.
Chip is thinking long-term with this move.
Not saying I like the deal, just looking at it from his potential perspective.
He's good. If his knee holds up.
But straight up for shady?
@BrandonBoykin2: Bruh don't ask me anything cause I don't know anything.. I'm just a #nickel..😏
Shots fired
This is probably to Igy's point about all the so-called "sources" inside the Eagles FO leaking all of these things about Mariota...not one thing leaked about this deal. Zero. If there were any real sources inside the Eagles camp right now, you'd think SOMETHING would have come out about this in advance.
Too bad Gaylord_Focker retired
nm
He's raised in NoCal, dude. Los Gatos and he's the product of a Cuban father and a Colombian mother.
born in newton mass dook
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 03, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
This is probably to Igy's point about all the so-called "sources" inside the Eagles FO leaking all of these things about Mariota...not one thing leaked about this deal. Zero. If there were any real sources inside the Eagles camp right now, you'd think SOMETHING would have come out about this in advance.
1st leak from deal came from kiko's agent and/or the bills
drew refuses to confirm it
how many times do i have to tell people chip doesnt talk to anyone. not elliot parks shore. not anyone.
Floating this idea out there since everyone assumes DeMeco is the next to go: cutting Mathis ($6.5M, 34 in November) would give them another $3.5M to work with
Cutting demeco would be a terrible idea for the locker room...trading shady who was loved is one thing but cutting your best and most respected team leader while he is hurt would not be a good look...if he gets to July or August and can't make the roster then you do what you gotta do...but to cut s guy like that when you are 50 mil under the cap is not a good look
Not sure why you'd cut Mathis either right after herremans when you have zero depth on the line...one or the other to get younger sure but both seems excessive at this time
Agreed.
And Chip seemed to really like Demeco...not that it matters to him since he'd cut or trade his own mother
General inexperience at this level aside that's been my biggest fear from day one with chip..system over team...x's and o's over talent
I'm not sure he knows what the farg hes doing when it comes to the nfl
I wont lie, i'm getting excited about the prospects of Kiko and Kendricks. Not happy about losing shady, but i hate to say it was a given this was going to happen at the minimum by next season. Clearing this cash, hoping they can make a big splash.
you dont pay running backs 12 million bucks period....you cut shady before you do that...the one exception might be if you made the nfcc or lost in the sb last year...then you can make a case in trying to make a run by all means necessary...but the eagles are nowhere close to that and have many positions to address
I fully expected them to renegotiate his deal but never expected a cut or a trade.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/3/4/8147235/nfl-free-agency-rumors-eagles-mark-ingram-saints-interested
Not sure I would like Ingram here
hes the perfect one cut back for the zone read blocking scheme they run but as the article points out availability is the best ability and he doesnt always have that
QuoteMike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 20m20 minutes ago
Elsewhere on Eagles front, I really believed Jeremy Maclin would be re-signed or at least close by now. Not the case. Work to be done there.
if they let mack go with this much money available then you have to believe that chip truly thinks hes getting his QB and once that happens it doesnt matter who the farg is at the skill positions around him
The Triplets
Mariota
Maehl
Kenjon Barner
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2015, 09:41:58 AM
if they let mack go with this much money available then you have to believe that chip truly thinks hes getting his QB and once that happens it doesnt matter who the farg is at the skill positions around him
Why would Maclin come back? In the last two years he's seen Jackson get cut and McCoy traded for a broken linebacker. Is he going to come back to spend the next three or four years helping another QB get his shtein sorted out just to get shteincanned by the time that QB is any good?
Quote from: General_Failure on March 04, 2015, 10:02:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2015, 09:41:58 AM
if they let mack go with this much money available then you have to believe that chip truly thinks hes getting his QB and once that happens it doesnt matter who the farg is at the skill positions around him
Why would Maclin come back? In the last two years he's seen Jackson get cut and McCoy traded for a broken linebacker. Is he going to come back to spend the next three or four years helping another QB get his shtein sorted out just to get shteincanned by the time that QB is any good?
he had a career year with an awful nick foles and mark sanchez....i dont think hes too concerned with who the qb here is and is probably one of the biggest believers in chips system there is....but at the end of the day like 99% of free agents hes going to where the money is...could the eagles get a tiny hometown discount because of familiarlity issues sure but it aint going to be much and mack and his agent are damn sure going to play the market up
my point is that the eagles are swimming in cash and could have him signed right now if they truly were concerened with who their wr's are...i just dont think chip cares
im just gonna let this all play out. i get the sell high/buy low philosophy with shady but kiko better be healthy or the trade is asinine.
now what if shady says farg you buffalo ? can he force kelly into a corner ?
if buffalo agreed to the deal then its done...eagles have washed their hands of shady...doesnt matter what he does hes a buffalo bill
but was the trade agreed upon with the contingency that a new deal would be negociated ? not sure where the bills are cap wise but shadys number is too high.
im sure that would have been reported were it true so i doubt it
Quote from: smeags on March 04, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
but was the trade agreed upon with the contingency that a new deal would be negociated ? not sure where the bills are cap wise but shadys number is too high.
They have $32 million in salary cap for 2015. Hard for us to fathom, but some teams want good players and aren't trying to win the salary cap bowl like the Eagles.
If it really is true the deal was agreed upon in 20 minutes and given how upset Shady apparently is, it doesn't sound to me like there was any negotiation involving the McCoy/Rosenhaus camp.
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 04, 2015, 12:06:12 PM
If it really is true the deal was agreed upon in 20 minutes and given how upset Shady apparently is, it doesn't sound to me like there was any negotiation involving the McCoy/Rosenhaus camp.
Arians as well as a tampa rep of some sort have both said they knew shady was out there...so while the actual deal with buffalo may have come out of nowhere and was agreed upon that quickly it seems it was no secret around the nfl that shady was available....they still may not have done their due diligence or maybe they did and no one was interested in him
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2015, 07:49:13 PM
Quote from: SD on January 16, 2015, 06:52:38 PM
Fearless prediction:
The Colts lose tomorrow. Frustrated with their running backs they ship Vontae Davis to the birds for Shady. Some picks are also exchanged. The birds either try to make a trade for Gio Bernard or sing CJ spiller.
you should have never started playing FF
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2015, 09:29:10 PM
Piss test SD, please.
My above scenario doesn't seem so crazy now does it?
Crazy and implausible are not the same thing.
Nope I am just blindsided by the fact that they dumped a 26yr old star RB and didn't even get an draft picks.
QuoteDianna Marie Russini @NBCdianna
Per league sources the Eagles are expected to go after OLB Jason Worilds as soon as free agency starts #eagles #Steelers
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 04, 2015, 12:32:38 PM
Nope I am just blindsided
because you dont understand the value of the RB position in todays nfl...a middle aged RB making that kind of money doesnt carry any weight in todays league
seven running backs in the last five years have been taken in the first round
and shady is so stupendously valuable that the eagles have won a grand total of zero playoff games with him
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 04, 2015, 12:38:57 PM
QuoteDianna Marie Russini @NBCdianna
Per league sources the Eagles are expected to go after OLB Jason Worilds as soon as free agency starts #eagles #Steelers
That is a move I'd be completely on board with.
I do understand the RB devaluation in today's NFL. It doesn't take a genius to see that with the way the game has evolved into a pass heavy 7 on 7 game.
However, despite that, when you have a stud running back you hold onto him not give him away for peanuts. If you're going to trade him then you get blown away by a deal and you bite the bullet and do it. Were they blown away by this deal? In my opinion no.
Don't even put the lacc of playoff wins on him.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 04, 2015, 01:00:22 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 04, 2015, 12:38:57 PM
QuoteDianna Marie Russini @NBCdianna
Per league sources the Eagles are expected to go after OLB Jason Worilds as soon as free agency starts #eagles #Steelers
That is a move I'd be completely on board with.
i wouldnt hate worilds but i want pernell mcphee bad...i think his upside is greater and hes more versatile....his sample size is smaller but he jumps off the screen when you see him...defends the run better than worilds too...id expect him to have a breakout year next year whoever hes with
Alonso isn't peanuts if he's healthy, Phreak.
Settle down.
i read in several places yesterday that he was defensive rookie of the year in 13. he was not.
He was the Pro Football Writers of America Defensive Rookie of the Year.
the eagles have the money to spend.
d mccourty -s
b maxwell - cb
p mcphee - de/olb
k jackson - cb
m ingram - rb
Quote from: phattymatty on March 04, 2015, 02:56:34 PM
i read in several places yesterday that he was defensive rookie of the year in 13. he was not.
Lost to Sheldon Richardson by 4 votes
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 04, 2015, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on March 04, 2015, 02:56:34 PM
i read in several places yesterday that he was defensive rookie of the year in 13. he was not.
Lost to Sheldon Richardson by 4 votes
easy, you the "guy" that emailed mikey miss that insane supposed trade with tampa ?
Iggy is making sense in an Eagles thread. Phreak get on the right side of the street so Iggy can once again be on the wrong side because of his infinite desire to have an alternative opinion.
McCoy was the smaller tumor lingering somewhere close to our liver. He is gone. Get in line or get the farg out.
Quote from: smeags on March 04, 2015, 03:36:58 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 04, 2015, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on March 04, 2015, 02:56:34 PM
i read in several places yesterday that he was defensive rookie of the year in 13. he was not.
Lost to Sheldon Richardson by 4 votes
easy, you the "guy" that emailed mikey miss that insane supposed trade with tampa ?
I'd do that trade in a heartbeat
Quote from: SD on March 04, 2015, 03:42:20 PM
Quote from: smeags on March 04, 2015, 03:36:58 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 04, 2015, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on March 04, 2015, 02:56:34 PM
i read in several places yesterday that he was defensive rookie of the year in 13. he was not.
Lost to Sheldon Richardson by 4 votes
easy, you the "guy" that emailed mikey miss that insane supposed trade with tampa ?
I'd do that trade in a heartbeat
:-D
2015 1st 2nd 3rd
2016 1st 2nd 3rd
2017 1st 2nd
For Mariota and Mike Evans
You don't need to re-sign Maclin at that point so you're saving $8-10 million. The first two firsts are irrelevant because Mariota and Evans were 1sts...not only that they were top 10 picks. So you're giving up three 2nds and two 3rds for a stud WR and potential franchise QB. It's a ridiculous rumor that has no merit but it's fun to play what if. I'd do it.
You're basically giving up and 1st/2nd for Evans and a 1st/2 2nds and 2 3rds for MM in that deal (don't count the third first since you're getting a first back).
I'd trade that in a second for Evans. Not sure for MM.
Please god no, wait one year trade everything for Cardale Jones. MM is not good.
believe the deal included foles but either way i don't do it.
Ultimate troll job is Kelly traded to 1 and took Winston.
Quote from: Chameleon on March 04, 2015, 03:37:06 PM
Iggy is making sense in an Eagles thread. Phreak get on the right side of the street so Iggy can once again be on the wrong side because of his infinite desire to have an alternative opinion.
lol
as for the proposed crazy deal?
NO!
That is way too much
not sure if this was mentioned
mclane was heavily floating the idea that they would trade kendricks (presumably as part of the MM package) and keep ryans. remember alonso wanted OUT of buffalo because rex told him he was moving outside.
im not sure if you can have 2 3-down ILBs with all the 3/4 wr looks teams give now. unless they plan on moving kendricks/alonso to the outside as a third down edge rusher?
Quote from: MDS on March 04, 2015, 06:41:13 PM
im not sure if you can have 2 3-down ILBs with all the 3/4 wr looks teams give now
it works the opposite of that....you are forced to have two down backers because they cant cover....nothing forces you to keep a player on the field for all three downs
and i would lose my shtein if he traded kendricks and relied on ancient ass demeco ryans and his double torn achilles
Rapoport said that he hears they're keeping Demeco
But I can't see them trading Kendricks. No way. Then again I didn't see the Shady deal either
Maybe they'll play Kendricks outside
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2015, 06:54:00 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 04, 2015, 06:41:13 PM
im not sure if you can have 2 3-down ILBs with all the 3/4 wr looks teams give now
it works the opposite of that....you are forced to have two down backers because they cant cover....nothing forces you to keep a player on the field for all three downs
and i would lose my shtein if he traded kendricks and relied on ancient ass demeco ryans and his double torn achilles
double double torn acls! boom!
i cant see them keeping kendricks or alonso around as 2-down players. but then again its already a done deal that chip is getting MM and he wont come cheap.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 04, 2015, 07:40:53 PM
Rapoport said that he hears they're keeping Demeco
But I can't see them trading Kendricks. No way. Then again I didn't see the Shady deal either
Maybe they'll play Kendricks outside
I don't mind them keeping demeco and giving him a shot to come back...but to trade kendricks because you have demeco is insane
Quote from: MDS on March 04, 2015, 07:43:29 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2015, 06:54:00 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 04, 2015, 06:41:13 PM
im not sure if you can have 2 3-down ILBs with all the 3/4 wr looks teams give now
it works the opposite of that....you are forced to have two down backers because they cant cover....nothing forces you to keep a player on the field for all three downs
and i would lose my shtein if he traded kendricks and relied on ancient ass demeco ryans and his double torn achilles
double double torn acls! boom!
i cant see them keeping kendricks or alonso around as 2-down players. but then again its already a done deal that chip is getting MM and he wont come cheap.
im totally confused by what you are talking about with this 2 down and 3 down talk...kiko and kenricks are both three down linebackers and can play three downs anytime you want them to but you don't have to have them do it if you don't want
i dont think it would because they have demeco
it would be because he got his stupid oregon player and he wants another one
Demeco
Alonso
Kendricks
Barwin
That's how it should be
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 04, 2015, 07:52:30 PM
Demeco
Alonso
Kendricks
Barwin
That's how it should be
pernell
kiko
kendo
hipster heaven
gooey little fishies
I'd be fine with that too.
I think Chip just really value's Demeco's leadership abilities. Not that I agree he's worth keeping for that, but if he stays I think that's a major reason. They probably ask him to take a pay cut though. Sounds like they are poised to go strong after Jason Worilds to add to the linebacking unit as well.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2015, 07:53:43 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 04, 2015, 07:52:30 PM
Demeco
Alonso
Kendricks
Barwin
That's how it should be
pernell
kiko
kendo
hipster heaven
gooey little fishies
im in on this idea
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 04, 2015, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on March 04, 2015, 02:56:34 PM
i read in several places yesterday that he was defensive rookie of the year in 13. he was not.
Lost to Sheldon Richardson by 4 votes
so to confirm: he did not win rookie of the year.
lol
i think this guy may be a bit upset over the mccoy trade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f7z_zxQ4c8
Black Phreak?
haaaa ... jay be pissed off.
Like some other folks I know, brother needs to get a life.
Maxwell at Fevaland today, was asked about joining the Eagles:
"Definitely. They run the scheme that I'm talking about....Cover 3, man press....and they're committed to winning, so definitely Philadelphia, if they was to come at me, I would definitely have to consider."
uh oh, that surely isn't the kind of cornbread verbage chipper likes to hear.
maxwell = out
im trying to figure out the eagles schedule for next year. here's what i got.
-week 1 (phillies) and week 3 (pope) will be roadies. week 2 therefore has to be at home. they also cant play the sunday of week 4 (phils). look out for a mnf game that week. generally teams do not start the season with 3/4 road games.
-last year they were on the road for their thursday game. generally those rotate. high odds there will be a thurday home game this year, likely within the first 8 weeks of the season when cbs airs the games. those are divisional matchups. i would heavily lean washington there. the giants and cowboys both came here for primetime games last year.
-with that, i would expect road snf games at dallas and at the giants. its not a lock -- dallas has visited the giants on snf the last 2 years. but generally these things rotate.
-eagles are 1 of 2 candidates to be in the opener @ ne. pittsburgh is the other. since they have to be on the road in week 1, the odds of them being this game just went up. keep in mind the schedule will come out before the (impossible) MM trade.
-last year the eagles had 4 primetime games -- 3 home, 1 road. that wont happen again.
-i see the arizona game as a strong candidate to go to mnf. its a good matchup, but not one snf will want and not one fox will move to 430. therefore it would get lost in the 100 shuffle. with the eagles likely going on the road for some other primetime games (division, maybe the opener), theyd need a home jawn. this would be that.
-week 17 will be interesting. the nfl likes to rotate the matchups around. but the nfc east is the biggest draw in the sport. nyg/dal is the biggest matchup. after the fiasco in 2011, that will not be a week 17 matchup. so the eagles can only play dallas or the giants that week. thing is dal/phi is a major, major matchup, too. nbc will want 1 game. fox will want the other, but week 17 makes things unpredictable. in that case, they would be repeating the same sequence (nyg/phi, wsh/dal) as last season. to my knowledge, they havent done that. this will be interesting. either way, i anticipate that week 17 game being at home.
-lastly, i see very few 430 games for the eagles. maybe 1 or 2. they will have 4-5 primetime games. but that means over half the schedule will be 100 jawns. that has more to do with the weak draw of the opponents than anything else.
snf candidates: nyg, dal, ne
mnf candidates: wsh, no, mia, arz, atl, car, det
tnf candidtes: wsh, nyg (outside shot)
430 joe buck specials candidates: dal, nyg, ne
Maxwell will be on CSN Quick Slants at 6
he was on nfl live earlier today....has a lot to say about nothing
Says we're tough but fair fans and we have cheesesteaks. That's all he knows about Philly
DGunn: "What's your favorite color?"
Maxwell: "Purple"
DGunn: "Ahhhh...we tried to get you to say midnight green."
Maxwell: "I had to be that specific? I couldn't just say green?"
Probably signs with the Jaguars on Tuesday
fascinating stuff
Quote from: MDS on March 05, 2015, 04:23:19 PM
im trying to figure out the eagles schedule for next year. here's what i got.
-week 1 (phillies) and week 3 (pope) will be roadies. week 2 therefore has to be at home. they also cant play the sunday of week 4 (phils). look out for a mnf game that week. generally teams do not start the season with 3/4 road games.
-last year they were on the road for their thursday game. generally those rotate. high odds there will be a thurday home game this year, likely within the first 8 weeks of the season when cbs airs the games. those are divisional matchups. i would heavily lean washington there. the giants and cowboys both came here for primetime games last year.
-with that, i would expect road snf games at dallas and at the giants. its not a lock -- dallas has visited the giants on snf the last 2 years. but generally these things rotate.
-eagles are 1 of 2 candidates to be in the opener @ ne. pittsburgh is the other. since they have to be on the road in week 1, the odds of them being this game just went up. keep in mind the schedule will come out before the (impossible) MM trade.
-last year the eagles had 4 primetime games -- 3 home, 1 road. that wont happen again.
-i see the arizona game as a strong candidate to go to mnf. its a good matchup, but not one snf will want and not one fox will move to 430. therefore it would get lost in the 100 shuffle. with the eagles likely going on the road for some other primetime games (division, maybe the opener), theyd need a home jawn. this would be that.
-week 17 will be interesting. the nfl likes to rotate the matchups around. but the nfc east is the biggest draw in the sport. nyg/dal is the biggest matchup. after the fiasco in 2011, that will not be a week 17 matchup. so the eagles can only play dallas or the giants that week. thing is dal/phi is a major, major matchup, too. nbc will want 1 game. fox will want the other, but week 17 makes things unpredictable. in that case, they would be repeating the same sequence (nyg/phi, wsh/dal) as last season. to my knowledge, they havent done that. this will be interesting. either way, i anticipate that week 17 game being at home.
-lastly, i see very few 430 games for the eagles. maybe 1 or 2. they will have 4-5 primetime games. but that means over half the schedule will be 100 jawns. that has more to do with the weak draw of the opponents than anything else.
snf candidates: nyg, dal, ne
mnf candidates: wsh, no, mia, arz, atl, car, det
tnf candidtes: wsh, nyg (outside shot)
430 joe buck specials candidates: dal, nyg, ne
lol
QuoteNBCdianna
Sources in Philadelphia tell me Devin McCourty is high on the Eagles free agent board and will pursue him. As will the New York Giants.
Same girl that posted the Worilds rumor
She's pretty plugged in to NFL stuff for being a DC local news reporter
And not bad looking either
BRING HENRY JOSEY BACK
PLZ
grantlands 1 year later review of the eagles 2014 free agency...not sure how they could ignore the upgrades at special teams but anyway...
QuotePhiladelphia Eagles
Re-signed: Jeremy Maclin, Riley Cooper, Nate Allen
Arrived: Malcolm Jenkins, Mark Sanchez
Departed: DeSean Jackson, Patrick Chung, Jason Avant, Michael Vick
A year later, the decision to sign Cooper to a five-year, $22.5 million deal with $8 million guaranteed while cutting Jackson seems incomprehensible. Maclin, though, was a bargain on his one-year deal, while Jenkins surpassed what had been an impossibly low baseline for Eagles safeties. And given that the other options were the likes of Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tarvaris Jackson, coming away from the quarterback pool with Sanchez as the backup for $2.25 million wasn't all that bad.
Grade: C-plus
Mosher:
QuoteThe buzz around corner Byron Maxwell and safety Devin McCourty is real, and sources familiar with the Eagles' free-agent strategy say the team will go hard after each one.
QuoteMaxwell changed agents this week, which potentially indicates that the early market for him wasn't what he had anticipated. Given this year's strong free-agent corner crop, the Eagles don't have to attack negotiations with Maxwell with a win-at-all-cost mentality.
QuoteOne seemingly good fit for Kelly and coordinator Bill Davis, 49ers corner Chris Culliver (6-0, 199), can be scratched off the list. Culliver has endured some knucklehead moments off the field throughout his career and a source with knowledge of the situation said the Eagles have no plans to contact him.
Don't be surprised if the Eagles also address secondary depth in free agency. If they're not looking to move Boykin and Carroll from the sub packages, the Eagles need some versatile backups who can start if an outside guy goes down.
Keep an eye on veteran Brice McCain, who's coming off a good season with the Steelers after playing his first five seasons with Houston. McCain, 28, can play inside and outside and has started 19 games.
The Eagles have discussed him, according to another source. McCain is only 5-foot-9 and 187 pounds, not the vitals we've come to expect from Kelly corners, but even if their interest in him is mild, it illustrates their blueprint to rebuild the secondary from top to bottom through free agency.
I disagree with the last line; it doesn't illustrate shtein! It's free agency. Every team looks to improve a weakness if it can through free agency. It's not the blueprint.
background on McCourty...sounds like he'd be a good fit but I'm not sure why the Pats would let him go if he was that effective.
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/03/06/22-eagles-get-mccourty/
i kinda think hes gonna end up back with the pats....i think that's why they didn't franchise him...he def wants to go back...he even said he would have been fine with getting franchised...not a lot of players do that
if the eagles want him they are gonna have to go crazy and blow him and the patriots offer away
one way or another i see watkins starting next year....or being given the chance to start
they are not spending big money on 3 players
I'd think Carroll would get a chance over Watkins. Still think Watkins is better suited at safety
Quote from: SD on March 06, 2015, 06:22:35 PM
I'd think Carroll would get a chance over Watkins. Still think Watkins is better suited at safety
sure, yea
but they drafted watkins hoping he would be a starter. they signed carroll for depth. but the better man would win. or some low-tier vet they brought in on the cheap.
for whatever reason I get the sense that they arent very high on carroll....what else could explain how little run he got last year with that debacle that was taking place at the cb position
watkins straight up sucks
Quote from: MDS on March 06, 2015, 06:43:23 PM
Quote from: SD on March 06, 2015, 06:22:35 PM
I'd think Carroll would get a chance over Watkins. Still think Watkins is better suited at safety
sure, yea
but they drafted watkins hoping he would be a starter. they signed carroll for depth. but the better man would win. or some low-tier vet they brought in on the cheap.
Generally teams don't draft a guy in the 4th hoping he'd be a starter.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 06, 2015, 06:51:00 PM
for whatever reason I get the sense that they arent very high on carroll....what else could explain how little run he got last year with that debacle that was taking place at the cb position
watkins straight up sucks
the writers floated the idea of watkins playing safety, too. maybe im wrong, but the idea of spending big to moderate money on 3 parts of the secondary seems unlikely to me. 1 spot is going to have to come internally. and since obviously they are trading all their picks for MM....who's left but them 2.
Quote from: SD on March 06, 2015, 07:13:24 PMGenerally teams don't draft a guy in the 4th hoping he'd be a starter.
the expectations are lower, surely, on a 4th round pick. but they took watkins because they thought he could play. or maybe he was a howie pick and chip hates him? but they didnt sign carroll because he could develop into a starter...he's fully developed...he's a backup.
They signed Carroll with expectations he could fill in if a starter went down...they drafted Watkins hoping he could do better than Curtis Marsh
bradley fletcher went down plenty of times
nolan carroll 3 never went in
if you cant start over that guy, you need to look in the mirror
they took watkins cause he played corner and safety at florida and because they thought he could be a good special teamer...pretty sure their vision did not include him becoming a starting outside cb in the nfl and I would be astounded if he got a starting job next year....in fact theres more chance he gets cut
Quote from: SD on March 06, 2015, 09:20:09 PM
They signed Carroll with expectations he could fill in if a starter went down...they drafted Watkins hoping he could do better than Curtis Marsh
it wasn't even if someone went down....carroll started for miami in 2013....if you recall entering camp last year the three of carroll cary Williams and fletcher went in competing for the two spots
Quote from: MDS on March 06, 2015, 09:05:54 PM
but the idea of spending big to moderate money on 3 parts of the secondary seems unlikely to me.
could easily happen if they dont bring mack back and instead get a cheap wr that chip thinks the system will make good
50 million dollars to spend and mack isn't getting any of it?....the world is their oyster at that point
Carroll's ideal because of his size. Miami's d was good the year he started too. I don't remember him getting beat often last season although his playing time was sparse. When they needed cbs when chip arrived they signed Fletcher who was very under the radar and Williams. I'm expecting something similar...they'll probably go with guys like Kareem Jackson and Davon House. I'd be fine with Maxwell at $6-8 million per year but someone else is going to pay him $10-12 million.
I'm glad you guys are excited about the possibility of a bunch of new defensive players now that they have zero offensive players.
It seems highly likely that Maclin is gone now eh?
Odds on which team signs him?
KC?
Minny?
JAX?
Seattle could use a receiver.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 06, 2015, 09:52:53 PM
I'm glad you guys are excited about the possibility of a bunch of new defensive players now that they have zero offensive players.
chip's magic offense gets people open....he doesnt need talent. he just needs MM.
Well what he has is Riley Cooper, so...
Quote from: SD on March 06, 2015, 09:48:28 PM
Carroll's ideal because of his size. Miami's d was good the year he started too. I don't remember him getting beat often last season although his playing time was sparse.
yeah i really liked the carroll signing and to this day its a complete mystery as to why he didn't play more last year....I guess he just didn't perform in practice....because the one thing I really trust in chip/chips staff is putting on the field who he thinks are the best players.....unlike the andy banner era where they would play games with people
that said its hard to believe carroll couldn't have been better than bradley fletcher last year....or maybe chip and or billy d just aren't good at evaluating guys and they don't know who the best players are
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 06, 2015, 09:55:03 PM
It seems highly likely that Maclin is gone now eh?
Odds on which team signs him?
KC?
Minny?
JAX?
I don't blame him for testing the market...he had a nice year and gambled on s one year deal. Would love to have him back but he's replaceable. Brandon Marshall even at his age is a better player than Maclin and he was just had for a 5th and is essentially playing on a 1 year $7.75 million deal
at this point id almost rather him leave than get in a bidding war with someone over a wr who isn't special...in fact you can probably get a better wr for less money than what hes gonna get
my fear tho is that chip is gonna try and replace him with josh huff or some shtein
My fear as well...think chip is of the strong o line strong qb and everything else falls into place mentality.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/07/sanchez-eagles-in-talks-for-a-return/
Looks like Thornton is coming back. Eagles put a 2nd round tender on him.
Good on Thornton - he needs to stay awhile.
Reports out now that they're going hard for McCourty now that it's ok to talk to free agents
QuoteJeff McLane @Jeff_McLane · 7m7 minutes ago Cedric Thornton said he will sign tender from #Eagles. "I want to play for nobody (but) Philly." Will make $2.3 mil baring unforeseen offer.
They need to bring back Thornton and should be a very good buy low signing.
McCourty would also work well because he's a solid safety, which gives some flexibility if they needed to use Jenkins at CB. They may well be looking at several more years of elite WRs in the division with Dez and ODB not to mention Desean as well, so having a good safety to play over the top is particularly important, especially if you don't have a shut down corner.
Houston is going after Maclin
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 07, 2015, 03:14:37 PM
They need to bring back Thornton and should be a very good buy low signing.
McCourty would also work well because he's a solid safety, which gives some flexibility if they needed to use Jenkins at CB.
mcourty can man up as well...he was drafted as and played corner in the league....he has that versatility chip covets...in fact hes not that different a player than jenkins
QuoteCharlesRobinson
A league source says the #Eagles have made safety Devin McCourty a top priority. #Patriots still want him back.
Byron Maxwell and Devin McCourty looks like an either/or situation for #Eagles. I'm not sure they can make the best offer to both.
QuoteRand_Getlin
No one will be surprised if it happens, but a source indicates the #Eagles are definitely out in front for CB Byron Maxwell.
Robinson also said to watch out for Orakpo to be gone after
eagles WILL sign the top 10 free agents on the market and trade for MM
@Jeff_McLane: Jeremy Maclin wanted around $11 mil a year. #Eagles got to $9 mil during season. He won't get to $11 in free agency w/ Randall Cobb ahead.
I'd really like McCourty, but I'm still skeptical on Maxwell. If they are going to go crazy for him, he better be the real deal, because once you commit that kind of money to one guy at corner, it's not like you can just go out the next year if he doesn't work out and throw about $10-12 million per at another corner. This team seems to be in a little bit of a retooling process at the moment anyway. It's not like Maxwell is the final piece to get this team a Superbowl...
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 07, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
@Jeff_McLane: Jeremy Maclin wanted around $11 mil a year. #Eagles got to $9 mil during season. He won't get to $11 in free agency w/ Randall Cobb ahead.
Wonder if he and Eagles agree to terms if he sees he's not getting more than 9 mil per.
I'd throw him 4 years/38 mil if he'd take it. That'd put him at his next contract at age 30/31, lets him cash in another big one if he performs.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 07, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
@Jeff_McLane: Jeremy Maclin wanted around $11 mil a year. #Eagles got to $9 mil during season. He won't get to $11 in free agency w/ Randall Cobb ahead.
$9 I could live with although that's still overpaying...$11 Maclin can eat a fleshpop. I'd rather trade for a veteran for a year or two.
McCourty I'd be fine with but I can't see them paying a safety $10+ million per year.
the either/or maxwell/mccourty thing makes sense
if you get jenkins and mccourty you can drop down a class in corner. you cant drop down to bradley fletcher. but you can drop.
reminder: jenkins is not a very good safety
He's about as good a safety as Maxwell is a corner. Guys like that are there to stop the bleeding.
McCourty is legitimately a very good player, which is why I'd be surprised if the Patriots, who have some cap room also, let him escape.
agreed on all counts
this notion that because you have Jenkins you just need to add mcorty then you can go soft at corner is ridiculous...especially when your running a press man defense like billy d does...Jenkins is a nice little piece...a guy that you can move around a little and do a few different things with but hes not a difference maker...if there were such thing as a nickel or dime safety that's pretty much what he is
an interesting question to me is would you rather have mcourty or maxell...I think you are so weak in the secondary that you probably have to go with the best player (mcorty) but if you believe that a. they don't like boik outside and b. they don't like carroll at all then CB is a monsterous black hole and a bigger and more important need right now
@GeoffMosherCSN: Nevermind. Source tells me #Eagles didn't not show interest in Mark Ingram. Also told no interest in Reggie Bush.
My thought about CB is that there's a wealth of them on the market right now, many of which I think are better and cheaper than Maxwell. A lot of them are old or have other liabilities, but would be steps up from what we've seen at the position lately.
The position is a black hole though. The Eagles don't seem to like either Carroll or Boykin starting out wide and I'm sure they have their reasons for thinking that.
I'm upset the Eagles don't seem to be giving Chris Culliver a look at CB, but he doesn't seem to fit in with the "salt of the earth" plan.
If they have to pick one between Maxwell and McCourty, I say go McCourty and grab cheaper vet CBs who won't be liabilities. But that's only because I'm not particularly high on Maxwell anyway.
cobb back to gb
we are gonna find out a lot about chips philosophy in the next three days
@DaveSearles: Per PFF, Cary Williams had better Overall and Pass Coverage grades in 2014 than Byron Maxwell. Williams played 334 more snaps, too. #Eagles
PFF had Jenkins as the worst safety in the league in 2013 and then last year they ranked him above average. McCoy was top RB in 2013 IIRC and then last in all of football last year.
I look at what they have to say as a factor in player evaluation (and don't love Maxwell) but think some of it is flawed.
pff is a joke
Shorr-Parks says the Eagles are going after Frank Gore
thats straight from chip, right? parks shore is his boy. he loves leaking stuff to him.
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/03/eagles_frank_gore.html
31 year old banged up running back. I had no problem with trading Shady. This I have a problem with.
farg it why not...bring him in. He's got some tread left
Chip's really starting to scare the shtein out of me. Originally all in as everything else this franchise has tried has been a disaster, figured why not, start from scratch and do your thing Chip. Next 8 weeks are going to be nuts.
All we can do is hope is that he doesn't farg up and makes the right calls. I'm cautiously optimistic some days and other days terrified he's gonna burn this team to the ground
You know the next move is moving the team to Oregon, right?
BTW, farg Frank Gore.
Maybe Roger Craig is available.
If you want to go free agent RB, it probably comes down to committing 4-5 years for Spiller or 2 years for Gore. Some RB needy team will give Spiller those years. Tough call. I don't like the idea of committing long-term to free agent RBs. Especially Spiller who always seems to be hurt. I'd be cool with Gore for 1-2 years if he splits the carries.
they already have sproles for 1-2 years...no need for two grandfathers....sproles polk and a draft pick is fine
Totally agree. This is what i'm hoping for. Go with Polk, Sproles and they've done just fine picking up a solid RB later in the draft in the past. Oh shtein, does Oregon have a RB in the draft?
Quote from: Don Ho on March 08, 2015, 03:32:59 AM
Maybe Roger Craig is available.
Lol
I'd be fine with Gore. Every year he's taken for granted because of his age and every year he proves he's a good back. Sproles and Polk they need to keep in their niche roles. Gore could be an every down back.
McLane says they're interested in Orlando Franklin too
Would probably be easier to post the fa's they're not interested in
Quote from: SD on March 08, 2015, 12:30:28 PM
Would probably be easier to post the fa's they're not interested in
white go getters
black jesus freaks
oregon alums
thats the list
Quote from: SD on March 08, 2015, 12:30:28 PM
Would probably be easier to post the fa's they're not interested in
exactly....because of this stupid negotiating period all you get is mostly bogus leaks from agents saying everyone wants their client
@JaysonBraddock: The Eagles have set the parameters of a deal for Maxwell that consists of 6 years $63 million with $23.5 mil fully guaranteed. $13.5 year 1
Rapoport says the Niners are moving on from Gore because they think he's gone already
For the "maclin is special" crowd
@caplannfl: When teams evaluate tape of WRs: They see a distinct difference from Smith vs. Crabtree, Shorts, Maclin in regard to ability to separate.
No one is saying Maclin is special, but they are saying the salary cap is huge and he could be a starter for about 28 teams.
Quote from: SunMo on March 08, 2015, 02:11:33 PM
For the "maclin is special" crowd
@caplannfl: When teams evaluate tape of WRs: They see a distinct difference from Smith vs. Crabtree, Shorts, Maclin in regard to ability to separate.
read a stat the other day that he was third on the EAGLES in 3rd down receptions....and not in the nfl top 100
hes also terrible in the redzone
@JaysonBraddock: Deal also changed from 6 year $63 mil. It's now reportedly set to be a 5 year deal around $53 to 54 million. Byron Maxwell / Eagles
@JaysonBraddock: Byron Maxwell deal is done. Guarantee came in higher after more discussion. Byron Maxwell will become an Eagle Tuesday w/ $25 mil guaranteed
This is a bad thing according to everyone here, right?
Is Jayson Braddock a legit source?
It's good because Maxwell is better than Williams/Fletcher...bad because they overpaid but that's what desperate teams do in free agency and the Eagles are desperate for cbs
Quote from: hbionic on March 08, 2015, 02:32:08 PM
This is a bad thing according to everyone here, right?
we will see....its ridiculous money for him....but they almost had to do it because of their pathetic situation at CB
this is what years of whiffing at the position leads to....it forces you to do stupid stuff
Funny, the NFL just sent out a memo reminding teams they are still not allowed to make definite offers or finalize deals.
As for the contract, it doesn't mean much until all the specifics come out. Even if he gets $25 mil "fully guaranteed" it's not that much if a 13.5 million 1st year salary is also fully guaranteed. It's just window dressing, basically saying they won't cut their prize off season $50 million centerpiece before September, when the salary becomes fully guaranteed anyway. One difference between Banner and Howie is that Banner was pretty consistent with his big contracts and structuring them in a way they could get out from under them in year 2 or 3 if need be. I don't think Howie/Chip care as much about dead money.
Quote from: SD on March 08, 2015, 02:37:43 PM
Is Jayson Braddock a legit source?
It's good because Maxwell is better than Williams/Fletcher...bad because they overpaid but that's what desperate teams do in free agency and the Eagles are desperate for cbs
Not sure how legit but I've heard him on the radio a few times. Has SC in his bio and Maxwell is from SC and went to Clemson so there's probably some connection there
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 02:50:42 PMHas SC in his bio and Maxwell is from SC and went to Clemson so there's probably some connection there
you would make a terrible reporter
:-D
Quote from: Diomedes on March 08, 2015, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 02:50:42 PMHas SC in his bio and Maxwell is from SC and went to Clemson so there's probably some connection there
you would make a terrible reporter
Actually I'd be great. I cracked the code of why some random radio dude in Houston is reporting strong on Maxwell.
Pay me for my info.
Quote from: SunMo on March 08, 2015, 02:11:33 PM
For the "maclin is special" crowd
@caplannfl: When teams evaluate tape of WRs: They see a distinct difference from Smith vs. Crabtree, Shorts, Maclin in regard to ability to separate.
Smith is obviously a better deep threat than Maclin. The Ravens use him in that role nearly exclusively. He also dropped the ball significantly more than Maclin last season (nearing the top of the league in that category), and outside of deep routes he's pretty much a non-factor.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 07, 2015, 08:28:47 PM
@GeoffMosherCSN: Nevermind. Source tells me #Eagles didn't not show interest in Mark Ingram. Also told no interest in Reggie Bush.
I have no idea what his money situation is but reggie would be great in chippers offense.
Kempski confirmed the Maxwell signing FWIW
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 08, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: SunMo on March 08, 2015, 02:11:33 PM
For the "maclin is special" crowd
@caplannfl: When teams evaluate tape of WRs: They see a distinct difference from Smith vs. Crabtree, Shorts, Maclin in regard to ability to separate.
Smith is obviously a better deep threat than Maclin. The Ravens use him in that role nearly exclusively. He also dropped the ball significantly more than Maclin last season (nearing the top of the league in that category), and outside of deep routes he's pretty much a non-factor.
im not a big torrey smith guy but the point is not everyone can separate and get deep.....that's a special skill...where as a lot of wr's can do what mack does
@Rand_Getlin: Source indicates the #49ers are bracing to lose Frank Gore. Has an offer on the table from the #Eagles averaging $5M+, $7M in guarantees.
Smith is a poor mans DJax. Good burner but worse overall than Maclin.
Like Maxwell, unsure about $. At the least should be better than slop last year.
QuoteIt appears as if Jeremy Maclin's price tag continues to rise. The free agent wide receiver is asking for so much money that the Houston Texans will likely take themselves out of the running for his services, according to the Houston Chronicle's John McClain.
Maclin is believed to want at least $11 million per year on a long-term deal, but that price may be bigger with him being the top receiver on the market. His one-time rival in the market, Packers receiver Randall Cobb, re-signed in Green Bay on a four-year, $40 million deal on Saturday. It'll be interesting to see how the Cobb deal impacts Maclin's market. Ravens receiver Torrey Smith is widely-considered to be the next best option at the position on the market after Maclin.
Gore's an Eagle apparently.
Here comes the timeshare. Fine with it depending on $ that's guaranteed.
I don't see the point of gore...but when you are gonna trade your draft for mm I guess you need to do that
I like Gore because of his workhorse mentality and he can catch and block well too. A savvy veteran who will fit nicely with Sproles and Polk.
Maclin getting some Cleveland interest
I think the point of Gore is to have at least one player on the team that has demonstrated the ability to carry the ball 100 times a season.
I love Gore he's a stingy no bs back. He's old sure but the niners had Hyde and still used Gore more and wanted him back. Spiller is still my choice but I'm sure he wants a longer term deal.
Quote from: SunMo on March 08, 2015, 04:44:54 PM
I don't see the point of gore...but when you are gonna trade your draft for mm I guess you need to do that
I don't get it either....plus its such a boring move...basically we get to watch him get really old and or hurt for the last two years of his career
QuoteAdam Caplan @caplannfl · 4m4 minutes ago Book on Gore: Leadership, great in pass pro, excellent zone runner (also good running out of shotgun formation).
Adam Caplan @caplannfl · 3m3 minutes ago Since 2013, #Eagles led NFL with 76% of runs from shotgun/pistol formations (736/974).
Geoff Mosher @GeoffMosherCSN · 3m3 minutes ago @RoobCSN and I wrote why Gore would be a great fit in Philly earlier this week: http://www.csnphilly...rs-frank-gore ...
Eliot Shorr-Parks @EliotShorrParks · 3m3 minutes ago FWIW: ProFootball Focus had Gore as a better pass blocker and better pure runner (i.e. decision making) than McCoy last season. #Eagles
Adam Caplan @caplannfl · 2m2 minutes ago Also some interesting info on Maxwell--Sources: RB Gore plans to sign with Eagles http://es.pn/1KHtDjn
Maxwell confirmed he's coming.
Quote from: SD on March 08, 2015, 04:59:44 PM
QuoteAdam Caplan @caplannfl · 4m4 minutes ago Book on Gore: Leadership, great in pass pro, excellent zone runner (also good running out of shotgun formation).
Adam Caplan @caplannfl · 3m3 minutes ago Since 2013, #Eagles led NFL with 76% of runs from shotgun/pistol formations (736/974).
Geoff Mosher @GeoffMosherCSN · 3m3 minutes ago @RoobCSN and I wrote why Gore would be a great fit in Philly earlier this week: http://www.csnphilly...rs-frank-gore
Eliot Shorr-Parks @EliotShorrParks · 3m3 minutes ago FWIW: ProFootball Focus had Gore as a better pass blocker and better pure runner (i.e. decision making) than McCoy last season. #Eagles
Adam Caplan @caplannfl · 2m2 minutes ago Also some interesting info on Maxwell--Sources: RB Gore plans to sign with Eagles http://es.pn/1KHtDjn
so its either boring or the best free agent signing ever?
3 years, 7.5 guaranteed for gore. So a good deal by that aspect
Parks said the Eagles are still in on mcourty
This legal tampering period is ridiculous. Feels like free agency is just about over.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 08, 2015, 05:06:53 PM
This legal tampering period is ridiculous. Feels like free agency is just about over.
Apparently Maxwell is AT the novacare complex
Quote from: SunMo on March 08, 2015, 05:05:08 PM
3 years, 7.5 guaranteed for gore. So a good deal by that aspect
not that it really matters but I thought it was two years
I've seen both but schefter is saying 3
if you count all the monies left on sproles and polks contracts not just this year but in their entirety plus gores 7.5 guaranteed it comes to about 500,000 less dollars than what shady is making this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2015, 05:20:07 PM
if you count all the monies left on sproles and polks contracts not just this year but in their entirety plus gores 7.5 guaranteed it comes to about 500,000 less dollars than what shady is making this year
Nice edit
Supposedly its $5 million per year and the $7.5 is spread out over the first 2 seasons meaning the 3rd year is irrelevant
They were in on Orlando Franklin but he's going to San Diego
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12445109/frank-gore-plans-sign-philadelphia-eagles
QuoteThe final price tag, which the two sides still have to negotiate, is expected to come in at less than half of former Eagles running back LeSean McCoy, who is signing a new deal this week with the Buffalo Bills. But the Eagles plan to hand their starting job to Gore, and he has informed other teams that he has made his decision, sources said.
QuoteThe Eagles were considered the front-runner for Maxwell. However, they had to fend off the Seattle Seahawks, who had been making a last-ditch effort to bring Maxwell back to Seattle, according to sources.
@EliotShorrParks: Who do #Eagles have an interest in pairing with Byron Maxwell? Green Bay #Packers Tramon Williams, per source.
He's a little old but would be fine for a year or two, he played well last season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25NdNde7bKE
i still cant get over how dumb a farging pass this was by the midget turnover machine idiot
How many N bombs did KKK drop after that pick
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 05:47:57 PM
@EliotShorrParks: Who do #Eagles have an interest in pairing with Byron Maxwell? Green Bay #Packers Tramon Williams, per source.
That's exactly who I hoped it would be. Cheap and nothing special, but better than either corner last year. Get it done, Chip.
So assuming they land all targets
Maxwell
Williams
McCourty
Gore
Maclin
Not too shabby
they need to stop signing old people....gore and williams would be dead and buried before mm is ready to win a superbowl
im surprised chip would want a corner as small as williams
is willliams a target, really? because elliot parks shore is saying so?
Gore is irrelevant. He's not going to be here in 3 years and he isn't expected to be. Gives them time to find someone on the scrapheap or late in the draft who will take his place after. I expect RB to be a transitional position from here on out.
CB is a different situation.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 06:05:13 PM
So assuming they land all targets
Maxwell
Williams
McCourty
Gore
Maclin
Not too shabby
Assuming they win all their games, the season will be pretty good too.
If Mac is really asking for $11+, he's gone. And I have a hard time believing that they'll land McCourty.
lol....j is amazing
Oh sorry
They'll suck bc they're old and overpaid
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 08, 2015, 06:11:28 PM
Gore is irrelevant. He's not going to be here in 3 years and he isn't expected to be. Gives them time to find someone on the scrapheap or late in the draft who will take his place after. I expect RB to be a transitional position from here on out.
CB is a different situation.
Chip's looking over Ed Marynowitz's shoulder and asking him to filter the free agent CB list.
"No one under 6' tall."
"Okay, now no one over 29."
"No character problems."
"Long arms."
"No idiots, he has to understand what the Rocky and Fresh Prince signs mean."
"Alright Ed, who's number one on our list?"
"Bradley Fletcher?"
"We may need to compromise on some of these requirements."
I guess Demeco stays at mlb, I can't see them keeping him around at that number just for his leadership. Maybe Kendricks or Alonso moves outside.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 06:21:36 PM
Oh sorry
They'll suck bc they're old and overpaid
You know how it works here. You have to 100% negative at all times. No such thing as being positive, hopeful or legitimately excited by what they're doing.
Quote from: SD on March 08, 2015, 06:23:26 PM
I guess Demeco stays at mlb, I can't see them keeping him around at that number just for his leadership. Maybe Kendricks or Alonso moves outside.
Najee Goode and Travis Long are both coming back from IR. Long may switch back to OLB, but Goode should definitely be in the mix at ILB. As a result, I think Ryans is facing an uphill battle.
If they don't get either McCourty or Maclin, where do they spend their money? Mike Iupati? Is there an OLB worth adding? I don't think they want to be in a situation where they have to throw more at Torrey Smith than what Maclin was asking for, but if it taks $9M or $10M/season, maybe that?
Gore is a stopgap until the draft pick RB takes over
I can't see Demeco starting at ILB next season unless Kendricks or Alonso goes down. They'll cut or move him in camp if that's what it takes.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 08, 2015, 06:37:03 PM
Gore is a stopgap until the draft pick RB takes over
Agreed
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 08, 2015, 06:37:12 PM
I can't see Demeco starting at ILB next season unless Kendricks or Alonso goes down. They'll cut or move him in camp if that's what it takes.
Free agency is here why haven't they cut him?
Don't shoot the messgner:
Quote
Jon and Sean Show @JonandSeanShow 2m2 minutes ago
Hearing from a source close to #Eagles, Maclin & Sanchez are coming back. Announcement of new the deals should come at some point tonight.
Quote from: Rome on March 08, 2015, 06:32:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 06:21:36 PM
Oh sorry
They'll suck bc they're old and overpaid
You know how it works here. You have to 100% negative at all times. No such thing as being positive, hopeful or legitimately excited by what they're doing.
J, you ruined it.
Quote from: SD on March 08, 2015, 06:23:26 PM
I guess Demeco stays at mlb, I can't see them keeping him around at that number just for his leadership. Maybe Kendricks or Alonso moves outside.
five linebackers for four spots and two of them are coming off bad injuries....they could easily work a rotation type system....especially because kiko and kendricks can move in or out and demeco is really a two down backer at this point....theres more than enough snaps to make it all work...would really help their depth too if demeco can come back healthy...last year it was embarrassing....imagine having a 5th linebacker of demeco/kiko versus casey matthews and the other slop they had to run out there last year
plus demeco has zero dead money attached to him pre or post june 1...so if he cant come back healthy they can easily cut him penalty free
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 08, 2015, 06:36:56 PM
If they don't get either McCourty or Maclin, where do they spend their money? Mike Iupati? Is there an OLB worth adding? I don't think they want to be in a situation where they have to throw more at Torrey Smith than what Maclin was asking for, but if it taks $9M or $10M/season, maybe that?
fletcher cox/kendricks
Every time I think of Frank Gore I think of that infamous Sunday when the birds hosted the Niners and the bums had a 4-0 lead on Cards in game 2 of NLDS. That was one of the worst days in philly sports. Bums yaked and birds blew a comfortable lead. Ronnie Brown, MaClin, Cliff lee, bastiches almost killed me that day.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2015, 06:44:26 PM
Quote from: SD on March 08, 2015, 06:23:26 PM
I guess Demeco stays at mlb, I can't see them keeping him around at that number just for his leadership. Maybe Kendricks or Alonso moves outside.
five linebackers for four spots and two of them are coming off bad injuries....they could easily work a rotation type system....especially because kiko and kendricks can move in or out and demeco is really a two down backer at this point....theres more than enough snaps to make it all work...would really help their depth too if demeco can come back healthy...last year it was embarrassing....imagine having a 5th linebacker of demeco/kiko versus casey matthews and the other slop they had to run out there last year
plus demeco has zero dead money attached to him pre or post june 1...so if he cant come back healthy they can easily cut him penalty free
I'm sold.
Except if they need his cap room to grab McCourty. Then adios.
@AdamSchefter: Mark Sanchez is going back to Eagles, 2 Year Deal, max value of $16M, $5.5M Guaranteed, per source.
QuoteIan Rapoport @RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago
QB Mark Sanchez is heading back to the #Eagles, source said
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo · 1m 1 minute ago Mark Sanchez back to the Eagles on a 2-year deal worth $9m with $5.5m guaranteed, per source.
clearly they dont plan on paying a qb a whole lot if thats what the backup is getting
M
M
@mortreport: The Eagles' wild ride will continue: Jeremy Maclin plans to reunite with Andy Reid in Kansas City once free agent market opens Tuesday.
Quote from: SunMo on March 08, 2015, 08:29:51 PM
@mortreport: The Eagles' wild ride will continue: Jeremy Maclin plans to reunite with Andy Reid in Kansas City once free agent market opens Tuesday.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 06:05:13 PM
So assuming they land all targets
Maxwell
Williams
McCourty
Gore
Maclin
Not too shabby
Got a little shabby
Would like to see the breakdown on that deal.
More interested in who replaces him. He wasn't a #1 dominant type but they need to replace the production
there are some solid option out there still....id make a run at kenny britt
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2015, 08:38:57 PM
there are some solid option out there still....id make a run at kenny britt
A guy who got suspended for frequent arrests sounds up Chip's alley.
#1 WR next year is probably Jordan Matthews.
Oy vey on the idea that a bunch of bums can easily replace Maclin. Is it really that hard to understand that, while he's not a top WR in the NFL, he's pretty damn good?
After having Jackson and Maclin over the last 5ish years, I really hate the idea that neither of them are Eagles and all they have is a bunch of slop in their place.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 08, 2015, 08:41:59 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2015, 08:38:57 PM
there are some solid option out there still....id make a run at kenny britt
A guy who got suspended for frequent arrests sounds up Chip's alley.
I think he has one less felony than kiko alonso
Quote from: SunMo on March 08, 2015, 08:37:44 PM
More interested in who replaces him. He wasn't a #1 dominant type but they need to replace the production
My guess is they move Matthews outside and work Huff into the slot.
The Chiefs have no cap space so I'd like to see how they make this work
They are cutting Dwayne bowe
Joe banner is pretty good on Twitter. His opinion after this
@JoeBanner13: Eagles are clearly switching assets from offense to defense. Counting more on scheme to score points and talent to stop them.
Okay, now I'm excited. 2009 is shaping up to be a great season for the Eagles offense.
Scheme can't win with zero talent. Patriots make up for skill talent deficiency with Brady.
Foles/Gore/Matthews/Cooper/Huff is bottom 5 talent even with that OLine. Maybe chip can scheme them to below average but at some point talent plays a role.
All this is leading up to a 1700 yard, 200 catch Zach Ertz season.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 08, 2015, 08:59:37 PM
All this is leading up to a 550 yard, 200 catch Zach Ertz season.
Got real shabby.
farg them letting Maclin go
You realize it's not only up to the Eagles, right?
yeah the dood went to his home to play for the coach who drafted him and the wr coach who he grew up with and probably got 11 mil a year to do it.....eagles couldnt compete with all that and shouldnt have been
I paid zero attention all weekend. Was everyone "meh, I guess" with Maxwell?
Quote from: Dillen on March 08, 2015, 09:40:29 PM
I paid zero attention all weekend. Was everyone "meh, I guess" with Maxwell?
pretty much.....i get the sense that no one is estatic about it but all realize it was necessary and is an upgrade
Shoulda franchises Maclin.
Sheesh they'll have the worst WRs in the league next year
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 09:43:56 PM
Sheesh they'll have the worst WRs in the league next year
its march 8
and no they shouldnt have franchised mack...jesus
Franchise tag price for a WR this year seems to be $12.8 mil.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2015, 09:47:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 09:43:56 PM
Sheesh they'll have the worst WRs in the league next year
its march 8
and no they shouldnt have franchised mack...jesus
In case you've missed it - the scraps left on the WR FA market are less than stellar.
Just in case you are wondering what UFA WRs are still unaccounted for:
Torrey Smith: 49ers reported to be front-runners
Percy Harvin: Not really a free agent, but will be tomorrow after being cut
Michael Crabtree
Cecil Shorts
Kenny Britt
Eddie Royal
Hakeem Nicks
Ol' Yeller (Reggie Wayne)
Brian Hartline
Hartline is a bad #2 receiver, and the options get worse from there. So there you have it.
Andre Holmes is an RFA that the Raiders don't seem too attached to.
I'd take Harvin
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 10:00:04 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2015, 09:47:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 09:43:56 PM
Sheesh they'll have the worst WRs in the league next year
its march 8
and no they shouldnt have franchised mack...jesus
In case you've missed it - the scraps left on the WR FA market are less than stellar.
actually its a pretty deep class and that doesnt even include mike wallace dwayne bowe or andre johnson who are prob going to be released....and theres this little thing called the draft as well
Wallace is a me first douchebag and that ain't flying with Chip
I love Andre Johnson and hope they get him now
Bowe is trash
Looks like McCourty is going back to NE
Moving onto Rahim Moore now?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 06:05:13 PM
So assuming they land all targets
Maxwell
Williams
McCourty
Gore
Maclin
Not too shabby
Yep now it's in shambles
Andre
Rahim Moore
McCourty got 5/$47.5M/$28.5M guaranteed and turned down more from the Eagles
gold standard
Nate Allen is available.
nope
i'd take eddie royal out of that list but percy would be fun to watch in this offense.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 08, 2015, 11:00:26 PM
i'd take eddie royal out of that list but percy would be fun to watch in this offense.
How much would he be in this offense, though? He seems to spend half of each season either injured, combatting mystery migraines, straight up refusing to play, or being a general locker room cancer.
So in the last week:
-LeSean McCoy
-Jeremy Maclin
-Todd Herremans
-Trent Cole
-Cary Williams
+Kiko Alonso
+Byron Maxwell
+Frank Gore
+Brad Jones
meh, a few smoothies will calm him down.
Well then
@JaysonBraddock: The Eagles are confirmed as one of the two teams in talks and an unnamed NFC team as the other. (Colin Kaepernick trade)
OH MY!
Lol,earlier today I thought of posting here that Gore should bring Kaep with him. Never occurred to me there would be any possibility of it. Might as well bring Crabtree at this point.
DaBears look to be the other team in play for Kaepernick. Hard to imagine them taking the cap hit from that Cutler contract while taking on CK's as well.
Damn. If this happens... I've seen teams do a whole rebuild in a year but not a week.
Maybe Howie had to move his office to another part of the building just to make room for Chip's balls.
If Sanchez resigns then looks like Foles gets traded. To SF? Or Miami for a 2nd rounder?
Maybe they get Demeco to restructure and take a bit less $. And then release the rest of the OLine to get Revis.
Phil Sheridan's last 4 headlines on ESPN:
"Byron Maxwell's deal brings Eagles risk"
"Frank Gore makes Eagles older at RB"
"Mark Sanchez returns to Eagles, raising questions"
"Jeremy Maclin leaves another hole on offense for Eagles"
Maybe he's working on a McCourty one now.
i'm torn on that. he seems like such a greasy slimeball.
QuoteAdam Schefter @AdamSchefter 12m12 minutes ago
Well-placed 49ers official on report that SF is seeking to trade QB Colin Kaepernick: "Totally false. 0% truth."
:-\
Maclin got his $11M per season from KC -- Schefter just said it
Just checking in to say that I am completely off of the Chip Kelly bandwagon. What in the farg is this team doing? Letting offensive weapons go might be alright if they were going to have a stacked draft, but since all signs point to selling the farm for MM and since Riley farging Cooper is still in line to get reps and since the starting RB is now Frank farging Gore I am not farging impressed.
Yeah I cannot wait to hear his rationalization on this craziness
I have a feeling he's going to resign once Mariota is drafted by another team.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 09, 2015, 09:44:54 AM
Just checking in to say that I am completely off of the Chip Kelly bandwagon. What in the farg is this team doing? Letting offensive weapons go might be alright if they were going to have a stacked draft, but since all signs point to selling the farm for MM and since Riley farging Cooper is still in line to get reps and since the starting RB is now Frank farging Gore I am not farging impressed.
in no way am I defending chip...this is what happens when you put a college coach in charge of an entire nfl football organization...ive said this from day one that he doesn't really know what hes doing
but to play devils advocate what signs point to him trading for mm?...other than that he went to Oregon...has tampa even said they like Winston better than mm?....have the other 30 teams in the league said they are just going to step aside and let this new jack who was an offensive coordinator at new Hampshire when frank gore was drafted just strut in and grab his franchise qb?...how do we know the jets don't love mm more than chip does?
also this draft is loaded at wr...and the key to any mm trade if it happens and I would be shocked if it does is not so much draft picks altho they are obviously going to be required but the whole thing imo hinges on the jets love of nick foles....foles is the crucial part of this because one it justifies the jets or any other team to give up on taking mm and also because it would lessen the haul of draft picks the eagles have to give up...so maybe you see a trade of foles 20, 2016 1, 2, 3...or some combination of picks that doesn't gut this years draft
anyway I was on the doubt chip train before anyone so I understand where you are coming around too...but thts big picture for me...just taking this offseason in a vacuum I don't yet see the catastrophe here...I mean because Jeremy macklin left all is lost?...what else has really happened?
We should probably wait till free agency officially starts and maybe after the draft before we start calling this a disaster. Not saying it it won't be but free agency hasn't even started yet.
Have to agree. I really have no clue about Maxwell, and am just hoping he's better than the trash we had before. All in all, I'm just hoping that the Defense isnt a bleeding vadge this year, and the offense can again rely on the plug and play. RB wise, Gore and Polk are similar runners, I think Polk ends up the feature back unless they get someone in the draft. Not sure if thats a good thing. Sproles will get his touches and wr wise, Cooper is still on the team so i'm worried.
QuoteAndrew Brandt @adbrandt 2m2 minutes ago
Am told Eagles were hovering just below $10M per year on Maclin, with KC moving to $11M range, enough to make move.
At this point I'm on board with shipping kkk to space in a rocket and bringing in a veteran WR like Johnson for a year and picking another one high. Crabtree is talented but seems like a nutjob. Same with Harvin. Wayne seems done to me. AJ would be the mix where he probably has one - two average/above average years left to bide time to get a young WR up to speed.
Do not want Cooper/Huff/Matthews. Dreck. Also have seen no indication that Huff is anything more than a utility guy good for 5 plays a game. Penciling him in for real PT can only be acceptable if viewed through Nike glasses. Say what you want about Maclin but he's much much better than any of them.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2015, 10:08:03 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 09, 2015, 09:44:54 AM
Just checking in to say that I am completely off of the Chip Kelly bandwagon. What in the farg is this team doing? Letting offensive weapons go might be alright if they were going to have a stacked draft, but since all signs point to selling the farm for MM and since Riley farging Cooper is still in line to get reps and since the starting RB is now Frank farging Gore I am not farging impressed.
in no way am I defending chip...this is what happens when you put a college coach in charge of an entire nfl football organization...ive said this from day one that he doesn't really know what hes doing
but to play devils advocate what signs point to him trading for mm?...other than that he went to Oregon...has tampa even said they like Winston better than mm?....have the other 30 teams in the league said they are just going to step aside and let this new jack who was an offensive coordinator at new Hampshire when frank gore was drafted just strut in and grab his franchise qb?...how do we know the jets don't love mm more than chip does?
also this draft is loaded at wr...and the key to any mm trade if it happens and I would be shocked if it does is not so much draft picks altho they are obviously going to be required but the whole thing imo hinges on the jets love of nick foles....foles is the crucial part of this because one it justifies the jets or any other team to give up on taking mm and also because it would lessen the haul of draft picks the eagles have to give up...so maybe you see a trade of foles 20, 2016 1, 2, 3...or some combination of picks that doesn't gut this years draft
anyway I was on the doubt chip train before anyone so I understand where you are coming around too...but thts big picture for me...just taking this offseason in a vacuum I don't yet see the catastrophe here...I mean because Jeremy macklin left all is lost?...what else has really happened?
The combination of trading Shady for a double knee Oregon LB, letting Maclin walk, Cooper's extension, Gore's signing, Huff being on the team and the MM nonsense whether or not it comes to fruition, this offseason just reeks of a 12 year old playing a season of Madden with his finger hovering over the reset button in case his goofy roster moves don't pan out.
mack is a double kneed wr and its march 9
cant argue that it sure seems like chip is playing fantasy football but im still gonna let it play out and nothing that's happened so far has been catastrophic and in fact if you believe that mack is going to be properly replaced id give it an solid B so far
Voice of Reason igy!
So how do you guys feel about Marcus Gilchrist?
I understand the perspective but there is a rather large caveat in there. Believing that Maclin will be properly replaced. I don't think a rookie can step in and replicate his production immediately. Signing a stop-gap, aging WR place-holder seems ridiculous when they had a perfectly capable dude on the roster already. It all just seems unnecessary.
Stephen A chimes in
Quote"Chip Kelly makes decisions over the last couple of years that dare I say leave a few brothas feeling uncomfortable. I think that's fair to say. We're sitting here looking at some of the decisions that Chip Kelly makes and I'm like what is up ... what's up with that?
It's like you gotta be his kinda guy, you know? And when Riley Cooper's your kind of guy...
Let's get beyond the system though, the operative word is culture. The culture is what resonates with me more profoundly because I'm looking at Chip Kelly and I'm like ... really?
I mean, this is Philadelphia. I'm always in Philly, and I'm telling you right now you got people walking the streets and and and ... hell with it ... you got brothas walking the streets going like 'What's up with Chip? I don't understand this.'
Now I'm not saying I know, I'm just gonna say that it does strike me as a tad bit odd. I'm gonna repeat this. Gone: LeSean McCoy, Jeremy Maclin, ya know, DeSean Jackson. Staying: Riley Cooper."
Quote from: rjs246 on March 09, 2015, 11:05:22 AM
I understand the perspective but there is a rather large caveat in there. Believing that Maclin will be properly replaced. I don't think a rookie can step in and replicate his production immediately. Signing a stop-gap, aging WR place-holder seems ridiculous when they had a perfectly capable dude on the roster already. It all just seems unnecessary.
I wanted Maclin back, he's not worth $11 million per year. He's not worth $9 million per year either but I would have been fine with that. A stop gap Veteran receiver can fill in fine. Maclin came back from an acl tear and did well his first season in the new system. I don't see why another experienced WR can't have similar success.
If they go into the season with what they have now at WR that's when I'll jump on the rjs miserable attitude refreshing train.
its still pretty farging hard to believe that Riley Cooper outlasted Shady, Desean, and Maclin
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/03/09/houston-texans-andre-johnson-released-free-agency
I don't know what i'm angrier about. These roster moves, or the fact that Stephen A Smith has a paying job in sports 'journalism'.
Quote from: SD on March 09, 2015, 11:57:10 AM
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/03/09/houston-texans-andre-johnson-released-free-agency
GET
Quote from: rjs246 on March 09, 2015, 11:57:28 AM
I don't know what i'm angrier about. These roster moves, or the fact that Stephen A Smith has a paying job in sports 'journalism'.
Yeah its not like they didn't give $25M guaranteed money to Byron Maxwell who is black.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_qDQr-WwAAdbwM.jpg
lolol
Quote from: rjs246 on March 09, 2015, 11:05:22 AM
I understand the perspective but there is a rather large caveat in there. Believing that Maclin will be properly replaced. I don't think a rookie can step in and replicate his production immediately. Signing a stop-gap, aging WR place-holder seems ridiculous when they had a perfectly capable dude on the roster already. It all just seems unnecessary.
take into account that he played the slot and had like 50 less targets and as a rookie jordan matthews basically produced on a level like mack...look at the rookie class of wr's last year and what they did...its not hard to get wr's who can produce in todays nfl and especially not in chips system
again the major concern as you said is whether chip properly addresses the wr's...and when he doesn't do that ill be first in line to destroy him...but we need to get to may before we judge this offseason
You know what would have been neat? Having Matthews and Maclin as your starters. Good thing they let him walk instead of paying him an extra 1% of the salary cap that they're definitely going to use all of. Yes sir.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 09, 2015, 12:40:30 PM
You know what would have been neat? Having Matthews and Maclin as your starters
mack and matthews for any money arent dynamic....bringing back mack at the kind of money he got would have been dumb...hes simply not worth that...even if they don't replace him letting him go was the right move at that price
Quote from: General_Failure on March 09, 2015, 12:40:30 PM
the salary cap that they're definitely going to use all of. Yes sir.
you don't want to use all the cap money cause you are going to need a bunch of it to resign your own players that are approaching the end of their deals
Well he'll probably trade Kendricks and they'll let Boykin walk so they don;t have to pay them. >:(
Fletcher Cox is going to bankrupt this team. I'm glad there's nobody left on offense so that they can afford to keep him.
i don't know maybe its just me but I dont think the difference between a superbowl next year and purgatory was jeremy macklin
Fletcher Cox should be penalized for having a Mustang and putting a Chevy motor it in.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2015, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 09, 2015, 11:05:22 AM
I understand the perspective but there is a rather large caveat in there. Believing that Maclin will be properly replaced. I don't think a rookie can step in and replicate his production immediately. Signing a stop-gap, aging WR place-holder seems ridiculous when they had a perfectly capable dude on the roster already. It all just seems unnecessary.
take into account that he played the slot and had like 50 less targets and as a rookie jordan matthews basically produced on a level like mack...look at the rookie class of wr's last year and what they did...its not hard to get wr's who can produce in todays nfl and especially not in chips system
again the major concern as you said is whether chip properly addresses the wr's...and when he doesn't do that ill be first in line to destroy him...but we need to get to may before we judge this offseason
So long as you draft an actual WR and not Josh Huff.
Ahh, modern football. Why do people buy active player jerseys? I picked up a Maclin jersey for my kid, but it was less than $20, so I'm still okay with that. But for me? I'd buy a retired player, like Dawkins, but other than that? What's the point? It's like real-life fantasy football these days.
QuoteDianna Marie Russini @NBCdianna 10m10 minutes ago
I'm told Brandon Graham has multiple offers and it's down to Philly and New York. #Eagles #Giants
Really hope he choses the Giants
Mosher said reports that he would come back here are BS - I'd be fine with him coming back. Just to hear Dio call him Brandon McDougle some more.
On and MAJOR GET here...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/09/report-patriots-letting-cb-brandon-browner-test-market-want-him-to-rework-deal/
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 09, 2015, 03:01:08 PM
Mosher said reports that he would come back here are BS - I'd be fine with him coming back. Just to hear Dio call him Brandon McDougle some more.
On and MAJOR GET here...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/09/report-patriots-letting-cb-brandon-browner-test-market-want-him-to-rework-deal/
He's 6-4 220#. Pencil him in.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 06:05:13 PM
So assuming they land all targets
Maxwell
Williams
McCourty
Gore
Browner
Maclin
Not too shabby
QuoteAdam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago
Patriots not picking up $20 million option in Darrelle Revis' contract; now set to become free agent Tuesday.
looks like graham is def back
real cheap
4 years, $14M guaranteed
McClane says they are out on Worilds
Rather have had Worilds or McPhee but Graham is good when he's on the field. Now play him more please if you're doing this.
Graham is square peg round hole. He's not an OLB, I guess they can use him in Cole's role last season but he was unnecessary. He would have been better in a 4/3. He's a typical Andy Reid pick.
i agree hes probably an expensive situational pass rusher but at least they didn't drastically overpay
Quote from: SD on March 09, 2015, 04:12:45 PM
Graham is square peg round hole. He's not an OLB, I guess they can use him in Cole's role last season but he was unnecessary. He would have been better in a 4/3. He's a typical Andy Reid pick.
In 2014, Graham recorded a total of 51 pressures on just 225 pass rush snaps. So about two pressures for every nine snaps
He played well in what limited snaps he had last year. So not really a square peg - he sanded it down and it fits into the round hole nicely.
he is a square peg in round hole in that he cant do anything but rush the passer which is not what you want in a 3-4 OLB....that said it really elevates their passing down looks being able to move fletcher cox inside and have a pass rushing specialist off the edge...he will be a OLB on paper but really he isnt
I would have overpaid for mac but not Graham. I am always leery of somebody who's not been good all the sudden stepping up in a contract year
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 09, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
I would have overpaid for mac but not Graham. I am always leery of somebody who's not been good all the sudden stepping up in a contract year
all he needs to do is replace killa's production and get 8-10 sacks a year which get the defense off the field and hopefully cause a few turnovers...he does that this isn't overpaying and its not an unrealistic expectation
unlike killa hopefully all his sacks don't come before halloween
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 09, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
I would have overpaid for mac but not Graham. I am always leery of somebody who's not been good all the sudden stepping up in a contract year
Most players show symptoms of contact-year syndrome.
Graham has been an effective pass rusher last two years. Wasn't like last year was an aberration. He's probably their best pure rusher. Problem is whether he does the other stuff well.
Nice breakdown here: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-invisible-impact-all-stars-eight-nfl-free-agents-who-deserve-a-close-look/
Issue is whether he can develop anything more to his game or whether he's really just a pure 4-3 edge rusher masked as a 3-4 OLB.
Good to keep Graham. Losing him and Cole would be tough to replace.
I think SD's analogy is perfect in this instance. I've always thought Graham was miscast in whatever role they put him in, but hey, he was productive last year (and the year before) and hopefully Billy Davis will find ways to get more out of him now that he'll be a full-time starter.
Can I still claim he's a bust?
I mean, as a first rounder you farging traded up for, he's a bust, right?
Quote from: Diomedes on March 09, 2015, 05:57:21 PM
Can I still claim he's a bust?
I mean, as a first rounder you farging traded up for, he's a bust, right?
this contract doesn't necessarily save brandon graham from being a bust but it def says a lot about marcus smith being one
I wouldn't ever call Smith a bust because he had absolutely no business being drafted where he was in the first place.
Busts are guys with the sort of talent that warrants the selection but never live up to it.
Was he a hideous pick there? Obviously it looks that way at the moment but I think you have to give the guy a shot to at least somewhat justify his selection.
I think Graham would fit much better on another team so I'm kinda shocked he wanted to be back. He's good in his narrowly defined role, and he came really cheap, so no complaints here.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 09, 2015, 09:44:54 AM
Just checking in to say that I am completely off of the Chip Kelly bandwagon. What in the farg is this team doing? Letting offensive weapons go might be alright if they were going to have a stacked draft, but since all signs point to selling the farm for MM and since Riley farging Cooper is still in line to get reps and since the starting RB is now Frank farging Gore I am not farging impressed.
I don't know if Kelly is legitimately making a play for Mariota or not, but there's no way he's putting all the Eagles eggs in that one basket. Chip's not that dumb. There are about 50 things that could scuttle any attempt to get Mariota, so I'm guessing there's a backup plan. And we are much more likely to see the backup plan than Mariota. If he's even trying.
The backup plan is Mark Sanchez. I hope you're excited.
Rappaport saying gore might be backing out of his verbal
Chip sent him his smoothie regimen in the mail.
Sign Spiller
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2015, 06:55:05 PM
Rappaport saying gore might be backing out of his verbal
This is a "happens only to the Eagles" type thing.
Odds of McCourty or Maclin backing out of their verbal? Zero.
WGAF what Gore does? He's a short term option that was fine. The end. If he's not coming there will be a different short term option. Something other than giving a RB a billion dollars.
Quote
Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter
Frank Gore has gotten cold feet on signing with Philadelphia, as @RapSheet reported. Eagles now in market for other RBs. Indy wants Gore.
Spiller please.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 09, 2015, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2015, 06:55:05 PM
Rappaport saying gore might be backing out of his verbal
This is a "happens only to the Eagles" type thing.
Odds of McCourty or Maclin backing out of their verbal? Zero.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 08, 2015, 10:53:04 PM
gold standard
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2015, 06:05:13 PM
So assuming they land all targets
Maxwell
Williams
McCourty
Gore
Maclin
Not too shabby
;(
Go Eagles!
Tramon Williams is still a possibility I think. Really exciting, right?
And Ryan Matthews or Justin Forsett or CJ Spiller!
The 49ers seem to be run by a 5 year old that goes to dance class right now. Perhaps they are dumb enough to trade Kaepernick. All these reports are just hot air in a balloon until tomorrow. Could the truthful rumor have been the one that was emphatically struck down immediately after it's possibility hit the news?
I can dream.
What would it cost?
What should it cost?
If the 49ers are selling it will turn out to be a bargain imo.
Again just dreaming.
they arent trading kap
it wasnt a rumor
it wasnt a report
it was made up, like 95% of the nonsense you see on twitter
STOP
Quote from: Chameleon on March 09, 2015, 10:13:03 PM
What would it cost?
Cutler and whatever pick the Bears are willing to give up.
I'm amused at how salty lil guy gets over twitter
bogus rumors annoy the hell out of me....people who believe all of them annoy me even more
twitter is a great tool if you limit your exposure to people who matter. some radio host in houston or las vegas saying something or some 4th level beat writer of the chiefs saying something does not matter. they know nothing.
Twitter is great if you limit your exposure to ProBirdRights and _FloridaMan. That's the list.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 09, 2015, 11:33:40 PM
Twitter is great if you limit your exposure to ProBirdRights and _FloridaMan. That's the list.
and les bowen
Quote from: MDS on March 09, 2015, 11:31:38 PM
bogus rumors annoy the hell out of me....people who believe all of them annoy me even more
Didn't you start the Mariota thread?
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 09, 2015, 11:35:09 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 09, 2015, 11:31:38 PM
bogus rumors annoy the hell out of me....people who believe all of them annoy me even more
Didn't you start the Mariota thread?
MM long ago crossed the 4th wall of rumorville
farg Gore. He's not even a quick fix. Mighty Mite, Polk, rookie. We'll be fine at RB.
Gotta say, this has been as memorable an offseason since the T.O. offseason.
The little guy whining about Twitter is all-time cognitive dissonance at its best.
so gore said he made some calls around and came to the conclusion that philly is not a good place to be right now....talked to andre johnson who the eagels also wanted and they mutually decided that they both were going to go to indy
He said he's not feeling it - never said Philly isn't a good place to be right now.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 11:26:21 AM
He said he's not feeling it - never said Philly isn't a good place to be right now.
lol you can't be serious
read between the lines
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 11:26:21 AM
He said he's not feeling it - never said Philly isn't a good place to be right now.
lol...ok sunshine
they have a taskmaster coach who makes sure his players go to bed on time or they get cut and who is trying to bring in every player he ever coached at a college who has trouble producing quality nfl players
oh they also dont have a qb and a racist redneck starts at wr for them
sounds awesome
I mean if you guys want to read into something that's cool - but because they chose to go elsewhere I am not going to say it is because the Eagles are some trashy destination now.
Colts have a stud QB and the two Hurricane players have a connection with the HC and OC.
So did they choose Indy because of that or because Philly is in shambles?
what is enticing about the eagles right now?
I wouldn't go so far as to say they're in shambles, I mean, Free Agency hasn't officially even started yet, and there's still the draft.
They more in-flux than in shambles, for sure. Lots of way for it to play out-- including shambles-- but it's not to that point yet.
Like I said, and you'll choose to believe that they are some undesirable destination, but players will go where the money is. You have a stable franchise, a good coach and an owner who will pay.
Are they a top three destination? Probably not.
But they are more enticing than many of the teams in the league.
They are not some trash heap team - like I said last week we're not looking at Washington, Oakland, the Jets, Tennessee or whatever.
awesome, so the eagles aren't as bad as the d.c. racists.
that's very uplifting to know.
Well if you listen to igy and SD the Eagles are akin to an Arena League team
i didn't want gore to begin with so i'm actually happy he decided to go elsewhere.
still, it sends a message when a player does what gore did that could be an issue.
whether you agree with them on an individual basis or not...letting mack pimp and shady all go in less than a years time sends massive warning signals to other players...add in all the other stuff going on and philly is simply not a destination that a lot of people wanna flock to right now...are they still going to sign people sure...but when it comes to deciding btwn two teams and one of those teams is the eagles philly is probably going to lose out more times than not...and the players they do get they are probably going to have to overpay big time for
even the brandon graham deal which on the surface looked like a nice deal it came out today that it was down to the eagles and the giants and the giants were only offering a one year deal
Heard the Giants were offering a 3 year deal and the Eagles offered 4.
Not getting Gore/Johnson is fine as long as they have a back up plan. If I'm either of those players I go to Indy too. They were in the championship game last season and have the best young QB in the game...as opposed to Sanchez, maybe Foles, maybe someone else.
Quote from: smeags on March 10, 2015, 11:49:37 AM
i didn't want gore to begin with so i'm actually happy he decided to go elsewhere.
still, it sends a message when a player does what gore did that could be an issue.
But this applies to business as a whole. I am sure you can find people who have had job offers with a different company yet they decided to stay at their current spot or accept another offer and it had nothing to do with the company but rather their personal comfort level or something else family related.
The NFL is no different. Players have multiple offers on the table from different teams. So if four teams offer a guy a contract does it send a bad message about the other three who he doesn't choose? Nope.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 10, 2015, 11:51:32 AM
whether you agree with them on an individual basis or not...letting mack pimp and shady all go in less than a years time sends massive warning signals to other players...add in all the other stuff going on and philly is simply not a destination that a lot of people wanna flock to right now...are they still going to sign people sure...but when it comes to deciding btwn two teams and one of those teams is the eagles philly is probably going to lose out more times than not...and the players they do get they are probably going to have to overpay big time for
even the brandon graham deal which on the surface looked like a nice deal it came out today that it was down to the eagles and the giants and the giants were only offering a one year deal
I agree on the point that letting your top three offensive weapons go - it's head scratching to fans, other teams and players.
This is no different then when we heard that players didn't want to play here when it was the Andy and Joe Banner show. Joe B was an apparent icehole who players hated and they dumped guys when they turned 30.
Quote@EliotShorrParks: One safety the #Eagles are in on: Ron Parker....27 years old, can play both safety and cornerback.
http://overthecap.com/player/brandon-graham/725/
i think chip is gonna sign colin mcarthy (berks co.) at some point in FA
I'm not interested in a single FA WR remaining. Trade for one or draft one.
This offseason feels more and more like a disaster.
Eagles trade Foles for Sam Bradford
this is a joke
Uh. Why?
this is a video game
what the farg
do we have any idea what this draft pic is?
Its Bradford time! :D
are the eagles getting picks or giving up because seen it on twitter as giving up
I would throw up in my mouth, but I have no vomit left after shady got traded.
I am so farging confused
not surprised he traded foles, just thought it would be a draft day move.
too many smoothies?
No, not a surprise that Foles gets dealt...but I didn't see that for Bradford.
Bradford is toast.
Eagles get a 2nd rounder with Bradford.
twitter now says 2nd rounder coming with bradford
QuoteMalcolm Jenkins @MalcolmJenkins 47s48 seconds ago
Calm down people... Just let the mad scientist go to work. #woosah
Breer says there's a swap somewhere. Not sure if it's the 2nds or the 1sts
obviously foles wasnt white enough.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 04:22:38 PM
QuoteMalcolm Jenkins @MalcolmJenkins 47s48 seconds ago
Calm down people... Just let the mad scientist go to work. #woosah
LOL!
If we got a second with Bradford the deal is fine.
Bradford is going to be the secondary piece to this. The focal point will be Foles for the pick which seems worth a good amount if the rumors around are true. Pretty sure most here would do Foles for #40. If it's just a swap of seconds then meh.
Bradford isn't good. If it's a swap from 20 to 10 then I'm all in on this trade. Not sure Foles alone has value to move up that high though.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 10, 2015, 04:30:37 PM
Bradford isn't good.
He only isnt any good he's done. One hit away from calling it a career.
they got bradford and the #10 pick.
BOOM
Are you serious?
Mikey Miss just now "He doesn't catch dick in the red zone!" refering to Riley Cooper. :-D
Quote from: Don Ho on March 10, 2015, 04:50:04 PM
Mikey Miss just now "He doesn't catch dick in the red zone!" refering to Riley Cooper. :-D
His delivery was the best part.
Quote
Eliot Shorr-Parks @EliotShorrParks 1m1 minute ago
Per Adam Caplan of ESPN, there is mutual interest with the #Eagles and DeMarco Murray.
Seems like the pick swap confirmed (and maybe an extra pick?). That's excellent value for Foles. Way more than I thought they'd get.
Still need someone to catch the ball.
Called it!
"Feels good to be appreciated"
-Shady today
Caplan says there is mutual interest between DeMarco Murray and the Eagles
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 05:40:51 PM
Caplan says there is mutual interest between DeMarco Murray and the Eagles
I pray to god that is not true.
QuoteLeSean McCoy @nflnetwork: "I thought at least if he was going trade me...just let me know, I mean, as a man."
Poor baby.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 05:40:51 PM
Caplan says there is mutual interest between DeMarco Murray and the Eagles
(http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20120824-soon.jpg.ece/BINARY/w940/SOON.JPG)
I'm so pumped to go pay for my tickets now.
shtein in a box and send your check in with that
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 7m 7 minutes ago
The prospect of DeMarco Murray leaving the #Cowboys is very real. At this point, they almost expect it. #Raiders in hard, #Eagles, Jags, too
Can this FA period get any more farged up? Don't tell me, I know the answer.
I can't wait to see what happens next.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 08:48:39 PM
I can't wait to see what happens next.
Well it can't be worse than what already happened.
Or can it?
Yeah.
Trade Kendrick and Peters for a 2016th 4th and Dan Orlovsky
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 10, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 08:48:39 PM
I can't wait to see what happens next.
Well it can't be worse than what already happened.
Or can it?
Jason Peters traded for a 2017 6th round pick. Fletcher Cox released. 16 game starter Mark Sanchez.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 10, 2015, 08:51:33 PMJason Peters traded for a 2017 6th round pick. Fletcher Cox released. 16 game starter Mark Sanchez.
Those are almost too boring for Chip.
With Chip it starts as some Twitter rumor that Peters has been traded for Marcus Mariota. Then two hours later, national NFL reporters are going on the air saying that Peters and a 2nd round pick were traded for Demarcus Ware. Finally, the Eagles announce that Peters and Cox, $25 million, and three conditional picks were traded for Mark Rypien and the rights to use the taterskins logo.
Bradford counts $13 million against the cap...how much is left?
$25 mil, give or take.
Spadaro says no Mariota and no Murray
He's just trying to make sure we're still surprised when they totally get both of them.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 09:07:14 PM
Spadaro says no Mariota
I wish he would have just said that a long time ago cause you idiots wont listen to me
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 10, 2015, 08:51:23 PM
Yeah.
Trade Kendrick and Peters for a 2016th 4th and Dan Orlovsky
Just give us Orlovsky's wifey and we're good
I know theres tons of time still but even with all this craziness they still need two safeties a few lineman a RB and a thousand receivers to complete their offseason
good news is they didn't destroy this years draft by stupidly going after mariota so they got
1
2
3
4 (presumably san frans pick as im assuming their 4th went to the rams)
5 (rams)
5
6
7
draft is loaded at wr and rb
was does espn feel the need to keep sending me updates telling me how bill polian feels about every farging move kelly makes ?
QuoteSam Bradford, Kiko Alonso, Walter Thurmond and Ryan Mathews have collectively missed 109 of a possible 272 games in their NFL careers.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 11, 2015, 02:18:00 PM
QuoteSam Bradford, Kiko Alonso, Walter Thurmond and Ryan Mathews have collectively missed 109 of a possible 272 games in their NFL careers.
durability is the best ability.
QuoteP. Schrager@PSchrags · 13 mins13 minutes ago Eagles - Murray discussions have heated up significantly today. Bradford, by the way, was a Murray college roommate at Oklahoma. @NFLonFOX
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Adam Caplan@caplannfl · 20m 20 minutes ago
Very true. Strong mutual interest. RT @PSchrags: Sources tell me Eagles are now "very much" in play in the DeMarco Murray chase.
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Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter · 19m 19 minutes ago
Landing Ryan Mathews does not end Philadelphia's pursuit of Dallas free-agent RB DeMarco Murray. Hardly.
murray had one healthy season and carried it 900 times. i'm sure he won't break down this year.
Yeah - and he's a fumbler.
if that stuff is true then chip must have really despised shady
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A+
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12462796/demarco-murray-personally-reaches-chip-kelly-express-interest-philadelphia-eagles
Here we go...
the murray thing just doesnt make any sense. its slightly less preposterous than the made kap rumor. its definitely a ploy by murray's camp to drive up the price for dallas, the eagles are playing along for whatever reason.
-they just signed matthews
-the draft is strong at rb
-they need a rg
-they need a safety
-they need multiple wide receivers
-they need offensive line depth in the draft
-they need to resign cox and kendricks
i dont know how throwing big money at running back factors in that, but yea.
Cutting Jackson and yesterday's trade also made no sense. Chip does what he wants and marches to the beat of his own drum.
cutting jackson made sense to chip....he didnt drink his smoothies, didnt buy into his stupid culture thing, was too small and made too much money
they werent willing to go higher than 9 on mac. he got 11.
he liked bradford a lot more than foles. trade.
you can argue, and youd be right, that those decisions were wrong. but they made sense. signing murray does not, at least to my feeble brain.
MDS, if you mention smoothies one more time, I will rape you.
Smoothies
MDS, you realize Foles makes 12 million less than Bradford right?
They could've forked over the extra $2 mil for Maclin and had an extra 2nd rd pick still AND $10 million more if they didn't make that trade. That's the hidden downside to the deal. How it impacts everything else. It's not just a question of Bradford v Foles.
Smoothies
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 11, 2015, 05:42:13 PM
MDS, you realize Foles makes 12 million less than Bradford right?
They could've forked over the extra $2 mil for Maclin and had an extra 2nd rd pick still AND $10 million more if they didn't make that trade. That's the hidden downside to the deal. How it impacts everything else. It's not just a question of Bradford v Foles.
they are going to restructure bradford
the maclin thing i dont think was "we want but we cant get to 11." they pegged him for 9 and that was that. they didnt go to 11 because they didnt think he was worth it.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 11, 2015, 05:42:13 PM
MDS, you realize Foles makes 12 million less than Bradford right?
They could've forked over the extra $2 mil for Maclin and had an extra 2nd rd pick still AND $10 million more if they didn't make that trade. That's the hidden downside to the deal. How it impacts everything else. It's not just a question of Bradford v Foles.
bradfords money does not effect anything else...its 12 mil for one year not guaranteed in a year when they have more money than they can spend...macks deal was long term with a big guarantee...it was an investment in a position and a player he didn't feel comfortable doing...theres no investment with Bradford (yet)
plus while i don't agree that Bradford is the answer money isn't going to be an object with chip when it comes to getting his guy at qb and really it shouldn't as its obviously the most important position
as for demarco murray (who by the way is a classic two name guy) it would make no sense in that chip said at the presser today that this isn't baseball money matters and shady was making too much....to go out and spend big bucks on demarco murray at this point would be against everything he said
Oh, my bad. I thought you said if anyone mentioned smoothies, you'd rape MDS.
Just in case I'm still misreading this...
SMOOTHIES.
:-D
you rapey bastiches :-D
BTW getting Murray would make no sense because he's gonna cost a nice bit of money. Let's assume Mathews stays healthy, which is a stretch. Polk would have to be the odd man out because ain't enough carries for Murray, Mathews and Sproles.
Plus Murray is not exactly a picture of health and he's a fumbler.
i think they keep 4 rbs next year
matthews
sproles
polk
some guy they draft
if "some guy they draft" is very good/there are injuries elsewhere, they could just cut polk or trade him for a conditional 7th rounder or something during the preseason. or the situations solves itself when matthews' bones break during ota's.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 06:12:51 PMPolk would have to be the odd man out because ain't enough carries for Murray, Mathews and Sproles.
They are allowed to trade guys, you know. Even Mathews.
They're not gonna trade Mathews right after signing him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 11, 2015, 09:08:48 PM
They're not gonna trade Mathews right after signing him.
and they are gonna trade up for mariota
do this many people care about chris polk? he's garbage.
i was thinking about this earlier
glaring needs: RG, S, WR
regular needs: WR depth, RB depth, OL depth, CB depth,
sneaky needs: a tight end, since celek is a statue
the FA class at wide out right now is horrible....you can pick up at best a complimentary piece. so clearly they need to get someone in the draft.
they also need a starting guard and a starting safety. maybe you can plan on getting 1 in the draft. but not both. so who is out there that they could sign to fill that void.
Maybe they could trade up for Amari or White?
Hold up - lemme check the igy trade value chart...
Nope. Not possible.
Sorry!
Quote from: phattymatty on March 11, 2015, 09:12:10 PM
do this many people care about chris polk? he's garbage.
i wouldnt say garbage cause hes an excellent special teamer but yeah as a RB hes just whatever...but he knows the system and because of that theres no reason to replace him as a RB 2/3...not sure how anyone could be passionate about him either way
Obviously they'll make room by cutting Sproles. Duh.
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2015, 09:15:00 PM
sneaky needs: a tight end, since celek is a statue
book it right now....trey burton is going to be a breakout player this year
I'd agree with that.
Murray flying to Philly to meet with the Eagles tomorrow.
If they can pull off getting him for cheap (or a contract that they can easily get out of in a couple of years), I'll take it.
this murray thing is starting to scare me
not sure how theyll make it work, but as a FU to jerrah i am IN
if they were gonna do matthews and demarco murray they should have just kept shady....so stupid...but apparently shady goes to bed too late so it wasnt going to work
or at least dont say it was all about money...say you used shady to get kiko
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2015, 10:34:15 PM
this murray thing is starting to scare me
not sure how theyll make it work, but as a FU to jerrah i am IN
It's already an FU to Jerry.
You had Murray personally begging Chip to come to the Eagles. It's like hearing that Shady publicly begged Jerry to go to the Cowboys right after the 2013 season.
Since Jerry was drooling over the idea of getting Peterson all last season, I don't think he's real upset about Murray going anywhere else.
Yeah he's got the middle finger up at Jerry. And you know damn well I love to stick it to Dallas but I'm not feeling this.
If they overpay it'll be dumb as farg. He's injured and a fumbler.
Btw didn't Chip say he used Shady to get Kiko and Maxwell??
Sign Murray for $13 mil a season, tell everyone his new nickname is Shady Marco.
he said he traded shady for kiko and maxwell...but he said he only signed maxwell because he was able to get rid of shadys money...which is bullshtein to begin with they have more than enough money...but it also doesnt make sense if you are signing demarco murray and matthews on top of it
honestly even forgetting shady just signing demarco murray and matthews is dumb...demarco murray and sprolk is plenty enough
it feels like hes just winging all this and making it up as he goes
Yeah I don't understand Matthews and Demarco.
But he will say that they had no idea they could get Demarco and signed Mathews to not lose out on a good football player
I'll bet teams are offering first round picks for Matthews.
Not gonna be upset if they sign one of the top 5 backs in the league. Matthews is not making much like $4 million per year. Could give two shteins about shadys feelings or if Chip lied.
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farg it. I'm all in with Chip. It's not going to end up any better or worse. This is totally different in the way things have been run before. The previous results have all sucked. farg it. This off-season has been entertaining so far. The worse I think the moves are, the more hope I have, only because, there's nothing left to lose at this point. So, like I said, farg it, I'm all-in.
The best thing to happen so far? We won't have to see Cary Williams and Bradley Fletcher in OUR secondary anymore.
I'm not a blind homer, but I can't control this shtein anyway, and I'm going to watch regardless, so, farg it. Enjoy the ride.
God help me but I agree with the smoothie rapist.
Quote from: Rome on March 12, 2015, 05:46:27 AM
God help me but I agree with the smoothie rapist.
allah answered, he said farg off infidel.
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@AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago
Adam Schefter
5 mins ·
Pro-Bowl RB DeMarco Murray is flying to Philadelphia this morning with the expectation he will be an Eagle, per a league source.
Dallas has had numerous chances to resign Murray throughout the year and now.
Aside from the contract, the Eagles are most appealing to Murray because of his belief in their chance to win.
Murray would consider a final, last minute offer from the cowboys, per source, but he's going to Philadelphia with the intent to sign.
wasn't murray the dude boning one of his teammate's wives? doesn't sound like chipper material.
Quote from: phattymatty on March 12, 2015, 09:10:00 AM
wasn't murray the dude boning one of his teammate's wives? doesn't sound like chipper material.
Yeah, he's engaged now. He's bringing his wife with him and Chip canceled his Oregon pro day. Looks like it's on.
And there's this:
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Sheil Kapadia@SheilKapadia · 5m 5 minutes ago
He adds important note: Ryan Mathews contract has not been signed. Nothing official. Could change.
This team is farging clown shoes anymore. Bring back Banner.
Shelters post can be summed up like this....Demarco Murray to sign with Eagles unless Cowboys offer more money
QuoteBy Mike Fisher | @fishsports
PHILADELPHIA (CBSDFW.COM) – DeMarco Murray's family members are spreading the word, according to 105.3 The Fan: "He's going to be an Eagle."
Murray's closest friends on the Cowboys have expressed their wish that he remain with Dallas. But they have also been made aware that the free-agent running back will fly to Philadelphia on Thursday for his first — and maybe only — outside-of-Dallas visit. And those closest to Murray think that's exactly what will happen.
Much is being made of Murray having placed a call to Philadelphia coach Chip Kelly to express interest. But there's no way to know that they conversation is any more significant than Murray's impromptu and private Tuesday night meeting at the AAC following the Mavs-Cavs game, reported exclusively by 105.3 The Fan.
Murray, who led the NFL in rushing and set a single-season franchise record with 1,845 yards in 2014, has an asking price of $9 million annually. The Cowboys have never intended to pay that for Murray –who they view as a good player coming off a great season at a position not worthy of big money. Amid reports that Murray now has "leverage," Cowboys sources indicate to me that whether it was the Raiders, the Jaguars or the NFC East Eagles, their mindset was to not only to avoid bidding against themselves, but to also step back from an all-out bidding war. That remains the case, regardless of who the other bidders might be, with Dallas holding at what I'm told is a threshold of $6 million annually.
Trip down memory lane:
QuoteEagles add star-caliber center Bentley
Saturday, March 11, 2006
By MARK ECKEL
Staff Writer
PHILADELPHIA -- By the time you read this, Pro Bowl center LeCharles Bentley already will be an Eagle.
Bentley, who went to the Pro Bowl last season as a member of the New Orleans Saints, agreed to a mega-deal with the Eagles before free agency began at 12:01 a.m., according to a source close to the situation.
A key member of another team, which also was interested in Bentley, said the Eagles had a deal in place with the center for close to a week, and waited through the several delays to the start of free agency.
The league and the players union agreed to put off the start of free agency for a total of eight days as a new collective bargaining agreement was finalized.
All the terms of Bentley's deal are not known, but according to the source he will earn a guaranteed $17.5 million over the first three years of the contract. More than half of that money will come in either a signing bonus, a roster bonus or a combination of both.
Bentley, a 2002 second-round pick (No. 44 overall) of New Orleans, just completed a four-year deal with the Saints that paid him a total of just around $3 million and included a $1.55 million signing bonus.
The 6-foot-2, 313-pound Cleveland native out of Ohio State played in -- and started -- 14 games as a rookie, missed three games his second year with a knee injury, and two games last year with a leg injury.
He was named to the Pro Bowl as a guard after the 2003 season, but did not go because of the knee injury and was replaced on the NFC roster by Steve Hutchinson of Seattle. Last year he was named to the Pro Bowl as a center.
The Eagles are expected to play Bentley at center, letting veteran Hank Fraley and Jamaal Jackson compete for the backup job. Jackson, who played well late last season, could be moved to guard or tackle, where he played at Delaware State.
huh, he had twice as many catches and yards as shady last year too. would not have guessed that.
Quote from: SD on March 12, 2015, 09:08:32 AM
Aside from the contract, the Eagles are most appealing to Murray because of his belief in their chance to win.
If he does end up signing with the Birds, I'll give him props for that parting FU to Dallas.
Murray is bringing his fiance with him, and his agent is meeting him here. Sounds like more than just a visit
QuoteAdam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1m
1 minute ago
Dallas now calling around for other RBs. Cowboys know they've lost DeMarco Murray to the Eagles.
I can't wait until they announce Murray signed with the Colts.
dallas gets shtein on either way so this is really win win.
Until they get their hands on the scrotum slasher, sure.
QuoteWillBrinson: Eagles starting RB...
1 month ago: LeSean McCoy
1 week ago: Frank Gore
1 day ago: Ryan Mathews
1 hour ago: DeMarco Murray
It's nice they're using cap space instead of going into the season $20 million under. That's such a Howie/Banner mentality that I never understood. Same with signing players early, sure if you can get them for a discount it makes sense, but then you run the risk of injury or even worse the player outperforming their deal and wanting to renegotiate.
Rappaport reporting Evan Mathis is on the trading block
Gotta clear out that $6 mil for more Oregon players.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 04, 2015, 12:25:32 AM
Floating this idea out there since everyone assumes DeMeco is the next to go: cutting Mathis ($6.5M, 34 in November) would give them another $3.5M to work with
Mathis is good. They already got rid of TH. With no immediate replacement waiting I don't see the point of letting go of Mathis.
dont worry, kelly has a plan. :paranoid
the guy may be a mad scientist and hits a home run out of all of this but is there a team ever going into a season with more if's than the 2015 eagles...theres like 8 of them just having to do with injuries
13-3 or 3-13 ... no in between.
There's plenty of room for in between. Not everyone has to get injured in training camp, they can spread them out through the whole season.
i'm totally OK with all of this nonsense. it's been strange but i think overall this is a better team than it was last week. the end.
my phone corrects herremans to her remains. her remains is gone.
I miss the early 2000's when we'd sit around and bitch about not using cap dollars and staying put with old/ineffectual players.
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 12, 2015, 05:11:06 PM
I miss the early 2000's when we'd sit around and bitch about not using cap dollars and staying put with old/ineffectual players.
at least they still have zesty wr's
Somebody probably posted it but whatever...Mathis is about to be traded per Bowen and Kempski
do they still have enough money for
2 guards
a safety
like 50 wide outs
cox
kendricks
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2015, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 12, 2015, 05:11:06 PM
I miss the early 2000's when we'd sit around and bitch about not using cap dollars and staying put with old/ineffectual players.
at least they still have zesty wr's
While this year doesn't have the same excitement as blowing off work and standing outside Stephen Burbank's office during the T.O. trade arbitration meeting, it's proven to be more fun than any other in the last 20 years
Look at how cute Beermonkey is with his "having fun" thoughts. This isn't about fun, man. This is serious farging business!
Quote from: Rome on March 12, 2015, 05:29:41 PM
Look at how cute Beermonkey is with his "having fun" thoughts. This isn't about fun, man. This is serious farging business!
Sorry, I haven't posted in awhile and forgot the CF rule book.
1) When something seemingly positive happens, take a contrarian point of view, cause it's never going to work out.
2) Whatever point of view you take, be prepared for IGY to oppose it.
3) No matter what Phreak says (even if it's negative), ridicule him as being a homer
I'm sure there's more
It's like Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics" only for internet football message board hungry hungry hippos.
When was the last time anyone heard from Phreak? I'm starting to think he finally ran off the road...
Quote from: phattymatty on March 12, 2015, 05:02:20 PM
my phone corrects herremans to her remains. her remains is gone.
POW! :-D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 12, 2015, 06:07:12 PM
When was the last time anyone heard from Phreak? I'm starting to think he finally ran off the road...
:-D
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 12, 2015, 05:49:35 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 12, 2015, 05:29:41 PM
Look at how cute Beermonkey is with his "having fun" thoughts. This isn't about fun, man. This is serious farging business!
Sorry, I haven't posted in awhile and forgot the CF rule book.
1) When something seemingly positive happens, take a contrarian point of view, cause it's never going to work out.
2) Whatever point of view you take, be prepared for IGY to oppose it.
3) No matter what Phreak says (even if it's negative), ridicule him as being a homer
I'm sure there's more
No that about covers it
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 12, 2015, 05:49:35 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 12, 2015, 05:29:41 PM
Look at how cute Beermonkey is with his "having fun" thoughts. This isn't about fun, man. This is serious farging business!
Sorry, I haven't posted in awhile and forgot the CF rule book.
1) When something seemingly positive happens, take a contrarian point of view, cause it's never going to work out.
2) Whatever point of view you take, be prepared for IGY to oppose it.
3) No matter what Phreak says (even if it's negative), ridicule him as being a homer
I'm sure there's more
I say what I feel and I say it to my friends in real life the same as I do here...honestly if its the opposite of what most CF people think its probably because I know what im talking about most of the time and this isn't exactly the most football intelligent place on the internet
I despise with all my might racists and homers....sorry I cant help it....and j is a pathological homer
as for the negativity we are talking about a franchise that hasn't won in 55 years....therefore most of their past moves are going to be bad ones....but when I see good ones I always point them out...recent example would be the shady trade...the problem is most fans are just that - fans - and are generally positive lets say 80% of the time....so when im positive which is prob in the 40% range it makes it look in comparison much lower than that
Quote from: Beermonkey on March 12, 2015, 05:11:06 PM
I miss the early 2000's when we'd sit around and bitch about not using cap dollars and staying put with old/ineffectual players.
Damn straight
the brain washing days of going into the season with $20 million under the cap are thankfully over. Im glad thd Banner/Howie days of sitting on cap space and extending players early and ultimately pissing them off when they want new deals is over. Last year they were $20 million under and desperately needed Db help. Revis was available, they could have signed him to a one year deal. They 100% make the playoffs with him playing in place of Fletcher.
Quote from: MDS on March 12, 2015, 05:16:00 PM
do they still have enough money for
2 guards
a safety
like 50 wide outs
cox
kendricks
Guard is the easiest starting position in football to fill
They only need one wr...hopefully that's addressed in the draft
Safety is scary as hell
Cox and Kendricks they can worry about next season when they're actually free agents.
I hope they go guard in the first round.
Quote from: SD on March 12, 2015, 06:29:38 PMThey only need one wr...hopefully that's addressed in the draft
no, they dont
I'm here! I had to visit a customer today so I didn't have time to bitch and whine.
But knowing igy despises me may be the straw that breaks the camels back and I'll run off the road on the way home. :(
he doesnt hate you...he loves you
you are just an insane homer and it drives his crazy ass even crazier
rumor floating around Mathis for Cordarelle Patterson is being discussed
I'd be down with this deal. Patterson blew last season but he has the size and speed to be a good wr. He has as much talent as any wr on the team. Someone needs to teach him to run better routes
Quote from: MDS on March 12, 2015, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: SD on March 12, 2015, 06:29:38 PMThey only need one wr...hopefully that's addressed in the draft
no, they dont
id argue they need three receivers...but absolute minimum is two
right now they have one....Matthews....and he scares absolutely no one
Jason Avant is still available.
They have exactly one viable professional receiver. And he's a slot guy. They need every single receiver they can get their hands on.
Their cheerleaders need work too.
#CHIPFAIL
Nah. Chip is gonna invent the 33 personnel package. 3 running backs, 3 tight ends. It's not like Bradford can throw it beyond tight end range anyway.
Also I don't really care what Mathis' cap number is, they have nothing in place to replace either of their interior linemen. Why trade him? Again, tinkering just for the sake of tinkering. Not necessary.
Quote from: SD on March 12, 2015, 07:09:39 PM
rumor floating around Mathis for Cordarelle Patterson is being discussed
I'd be down with this deal. Patterson blew last season but he has the size and speed to be a good wr. He has as much talent as any wr on the team. Someone needs to teach him to run better routes
kenny britt was the other name i saw in fake twitter rumor land
if they can fill the G spots and the other S spot now, im fine with doing nothing in free agency and just splurging on wide outs in the draft
id jerk my joint with a kung fu grip til i was as dry as the desert if it happened but why the farg would Minnesota trade a young guy who looks like he could be a superstar for the oldest guard in the entire nfl who makes a lot of money
id love me some Kenny britt
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2015, 07:40:35 PM
id jerk my joint with a kung fu grip til i was as dry as the desert if it happened but why the farg would Minnesota trade a young guy who looks like he could be a superstar for the oldest guard in the entire nfl who makes a lot of money
2016 3rd round pick and because he's put up worse numbers than Riley Cooper.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 12, 2015, 07:40:35 PM
id jerk my joint with a kung fu grip til i was as dry as the desert if it happened but why the farg would Minnesota trade a young guy who looks like he could be a superstar for the oldest guard in the entire nfl who makes a lot of money
id love me some Kenny britt
Who knows why but Patterson was buried on the bench last year. Maybe they just wanna dump him?
But I'd make that deal in a sec even tho I don't wanna trade Mathis
it would be worth it just for his kick return ability alone....but they also need someone to elongate the field for all of bradfords nine yard crosses
after this week im fairly confident the eagles are playing @ the patriots in the opener. too much hype around them now and pitt/ne is a very good game they can save for later.
im also fairly confident eagles/cowboys will not be a week 17 game. its too big a matchup to risk losing. nbc and fox are both going to want to feature it. so giants@eagles week 17 seems to be ON.
I kinda hope this Patterson thing is true the more I think on it
Still can't believe Chip's offense went from this at the time of the Saints loss 14 months ago:
Foles/Vick, Shady/Bryce, Pimp/Mac(IR)/Coop/Avant
to this after another 10-6 season:
Bradford/Sanchez, Murray/Mathews, ___/Coop/Matthews/Huff
and that doesn't count the new guard(s) or the kicker if you include the Henery/Parkey switch
Sproles is the the missing name, for now.
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Standing ovation for Romey! BRAVO! :-D
Quote from: MDS on March 12, 2015, 06:59:09 PM
he doesnt hate you...he loves you
you are just an insane homer and it drives his crazy ass even crazier
Lol he lumped me in with racists! Cuts me deep, Havas.
at least now we know the real reason jay moved to texas.
I didn't lump you in they are two separate things that happen to be the two things I loathe the most in life...it depends on the day as to which holds the coveted top spot
so whats today target ?
Trade Evan Mathis for a double amputee, cut Connor Barwin, give Josh Huff a 5 year $40 mil contract, and sign a used blender to be the new #1 WR.
I'm at the doc office for my knee and the nurse if a cowboys can and wouldn't touch my eagles shirt because "yall iceholes stole Demarco" lolol
See the pain meds kicked in already. If you'd drink Chip's smoothies, you wouldn't need the knee doctor, by the way. Science.
Quote from: Zanshin on March 13, 2015, 10:19:48 AM
See the pain meds kicked in already.
maybe he was actually talking to a can.
Haha I wish it was from pain pills
Just autocorrect going nuts
people have to stop the chip is trading murray talk.
Unbridled love of a sports team should ALWAYS be the worst thing ever.
Racism is like 3rd or 4th on the worst things ever list.
Quote from: smeags on March 13, 2015, 10:53:40 AM
people have to stop the chip is trading murray talk.
You mean you don't think his master plan is to package Murray with Bradford and #20 for Mariota?
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2015, 11:12:23 AM
Unbridled love of a sports team should ALWAYS be the worst thing ever.
Racism is like 3rd or 4th on the worst things ever list.
right below white music
Quote from: SD on March 13, 2015, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: smeags on March 13, 2015, 10:53:40 AM
people have to stop the chip is trading murray talk.
You mean you don't think his master plan is to package Murray with Bradford and #20 for Mariota?
i dont think the team wants to have $21mil in dead money.
or does it?
Quote from: smeags on March 13, 2015, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2015, 11:12:23 AM
Unbridled love of a sports team should ALWAYS be the worst thing ever.
Racism is like 3rd or 4th on the worst things ever list.
right below white anything
White chocolate is right at the top of the list.
Give me a farging break
TIM TEBOW WORKING OUT FOR THE EAGLES
relax, they need a guard.
Quote from: smeags on March 16, 2015, 02:56:27 PM
relax, they need a guard.
Are the team bibles in danger of being stolen?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2015, 12:04:47 PM
Quote from: smeags on March 13, 2015, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Rome on March 13, 2015, 11:12:23 AM
Unbridled love of a sports team should ALWAYS be the worst thing ever.
Racism is like 3rd or 4th on the worst things ever list.
right below white anything
you should just get the 'negroplasty" and be done with it.
Sign Tebow. Then trade for Mariota. I want to see how many disappointing first-round pick QBs we can squeeze on the roster. It's like bingo.
i love tebow....he sucks, but what's there not to love
also the workout was as meaningless as anything. possibly a favor to urban more than anything. but that's not going to stop twitter freakouts.
Quote from: Zanshin on March 16, 2015, 04:20:00 PM
Sign Tebow. Then trade for Mariota. I want to see how many disappointing first-round pick QBs we can squeeze on the roster. It's like bingo.
Cut Barkley, sign Leinart and it's showtime.
Hahaha...I literally forgot all about Barkley.
Yeah why not sign Tebow? He's terrible but, gun to my head, he's probably less terrible than Barkley. They should be exploring any and all alternatives to him.
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 16, 2015, 06:41:18 PM
Yeah why not sign Tebow?
because hes a religious zealot who has his cherry still in tact
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 16, 2015, 06:41:18 PM
Yeah why not sign Tebow? He's terrible but, gun to my head, he's probably less terrible than Barkley. They should be exploring any and all alternatives to him.
youre better off drafting someone in the 6th/7th round and hoping to get lucky than bringing tebow on, as much as i love that jesus freak.
best case scenario for tebow is he's a last resort at qb3 for the eagles....but then you have to want to waste a camp spot on him. i dont know. i dont see it.
Tebow/Sanchez Wildcat/Smoothie offense. Make it happen.
Put him at WR. Had to be better than KKKooper.
Hey, he's won more playoff games than Foles and Bradford combined. :-\
Braman gets a 1-yr extension that lowers his cap hit by about $750K this year
who ?
The meth head LB
@NBCdianna: Sources with the Eagles say they are trying to trade Matt Barkley. If he is traded, I'm told there's an "80% chance" they'll sign Tim Tebow
Noooooooooooo
I don't know if I can take Tebow on this team. The amount of Tebow worshippers is out of control. Please god no.
if they can get a draft pick out of matt barkley then tebow is right....there is a god
and chip has a direct line to him
teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
yes
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 17, 2015, 07:00:55 PM
I don't know if I can take Tebow on this team. The amount of Tebow worshippers is out of control. Please god no.
How do you think Rome and I feel, living in the heart of Tebow country?
I don't think there's been an athlete in history with a bigger cult following than him.
Oh and Eskin isn't happy
@howardeskin: @ProFootballTalk its a joke creating story from ridiculous tweet @nbcdianna. Story so foolish. What is 80%? Tebow and Barkley not connected
Quote from: General_Failure on March 17, 2015, 07:40:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 17, 2015, 07:00:55 PM
I don't know if I can take Tebow on this team. The amount of Tebow worshippers is out of control. Please god no.
How do you think Rome and I feel, living in the heart of Tebow country?
Ahem...
Shut up, you love Tebow.
shtein just got real!
@howardeskin: . @NBCdianna George Michael Would embarrassed with this kind of reporting. Your @TimTebow - @MattBarkley story makes no sense. Explain 80%
@NBCdianna: @howardeskin please stop tweeting me. Thank you.
I see Eskin is a big fan of the "yell things into my phone and hope it makes words" school of text-based communication.
I find it funny he rips someone else for reporting. He's been wrong more than lil guy on just shout everything
stop talking about the legends of philly media, texas boy
seriously the king stay the king
also there is a big difference btwn being wrong and making shtein up to get your no talent ass some retweets and new followers
eskin said negative things about the philly teams so HE IS THE WORST
nothing on the level as when andy was here but hes actually an incredible eagle homer.....I should hate him but hes a friggin illatropolis god and deserves to have his ring kissed
The one thing I respect about him? That he is always at games and press conferences. He asks ridiculous things sometimes but he's always there. Except when Hinkie had his PC.
Do you think Angelo even knows how to get to The Linc?
angelo is a morning drive shock jock....king is a reporter....big difference
there should be no expectation of ang ever being in a locker room
Eskin was a drive time radio head too and yet he was at the games and press conferences
And Cataldi was a reporter
lol....ang hasn't been a reporter since the 80's....people change careers in life sometimes....king has chosen to still report ang has not....not quite sure why you need them both to do the same exact thing....
glen macnow was a reporter once....so was tony kornheiser
you cant talk to someone who worships josh innes: houston radio legend about the ins and outs of philly media
That's slanderous and I hope your balls get gangrene and fall off for saying I worship that farging clown.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 17, 2015, 08:57:41 PM
Do you think Angelo even knows how to get to The Linc?
LOL!
If they sign Tebow, I'm done.
The. End.
No you're not. Liar.
both eskin and cataldi are pimples on this city's ass.
You ain't quitting this team.
If they sign that farging douchebag, I am out.
For real.
I'll send you a Tebow jersey...with a goPro camera in the box to capture your reaction when opening it :-*
Eskin is a hack. He's worse than Missanelli.
I don't listen to Angelo but his schtick is moderately entertaining so long as you take it for what it is.
Angelo's a goofball, he knows he is, his schtick works great for a morning drive when peoples brains aren't thinking about sports seriously.
Eskin I never understood the love for. He's a wanna be know it all who thinks his opinion should be the end all be all. He was somewhat entertaining in the late 80's when he'd get athletes on for interviews when they were the subject of criticism. That got to his head and he's been awful since.
Mike Miss is like Bud Light. Not my favorite beer but I can drink it and he's an easy go to show. His civil rights schtick and Lebron Lebron Lebron stuff gets old. He gets bonus points for his choice in movies and his love for shows like the Wire and the Sopranos.
also for hosting philly feud. that show is amazing.
i almost want to see tebow get signed just for romey's reaction.
Oh, I'm totally rooting for it now. Eagles are already in drama queen mode. Let's just go for the sideshow factor.
QuoteTeams have made trade inquiries about the availability of Jets' 2013 first-round pick Dee Milliner in the wake of the cornerback upgrades, Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reports.
On the surface, Milliner, who is rehabbing a season-ending torn Achilles tendon he suffered five months ago, appears expendable.
Milliner, the ninth pick and consensus top cornerback of the 2013 draft, has missed 16 games in his first two seasons due to four different injuries after undergoing five surgeries at Alabama
So who wants to start the Dee Milliner, Philadelphia Eagle thread?
sounds like a job for a temple grad with horrible grammar.
Quote from: smeags on March 18, 2015, 11:11:27 AM
i almost want to see tebow get signed just for romey's reaction.
Seconded
Quote from: smeags on March 18, 2015, 11:29:43 AM
sounds like a job for a temple grad with horrible grammar.
Lol, but Dee Milliner isn't white, so that takes some wind out of the sails
Quote from: Eagaholic on March 18, 2015, 11:41:46 AM
Quote from: smeags on March 18, 2015, 11:29:43 AM
sounds like a job for a temple grad with horrible grammar.
Lol, but Dee Milliner isn't white, so that takes some wind out of the sails
excellent point.
Tebow signed. 2-yr 5 Million, 3 million guaranteed.
Eagles sign CB Walter Thurmond (1 year, $3.25M; $2M bonus): C+ Grade
Chip Kelly sure loves his injured players. Walter Thurmond hasn't been able to stay healthy at all in his career. In five seasons, he has played just 36 of 80 possible games. He makes Sam Bradford look like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable.
Having said that, I don't mind this signing very much, though the grade would be much better if the Eagles didn't unnecessarily give Thurmond a $2 million signing bonus. There is definitely upside in this acquisition, as Thurmond will provide an upgrade in the secondary, if healthy. That probably won't happen though, as Thurmond's legs and knees are shot. Still, there isn't too much risk in this transaction.
Eagles sign RB Ryan Mathews (3 years, $11.5M; $5M guaranteed): B Grade
Most injury-prone backfield of all time, confirmed. In a shocking move, the Eagles signed Ryan Mathews to go along with DeMarco Murray. Mathews has to feel disappointed that he won't be Philadelphia's featured back at the start of the season, but he can be content in knowing that he'll start once Murray inevitably gets hurt. And then Mathews will get injured, too.
Mathews is made of glass and can't be counted on to stay healthy. He's a nice player when on the field - he rushed for 1,255 yards in 2013 - but he's just not reliable at all. However, he won't be counted on to carry the workload at the start of the season, and really, the odds are that either he or Murray will manage to stay healthy. That, along with Mathews' cheap price tag, is why I don't mind this transaction as much as the Murray signing. Mathews is very affordable and offers Philadelphia a solid insurance policy.
Eagles sign RB DeMarco Murray (5 years, $42M; $21M guaranteed): C Grade
When the Eagles appeared to sign Ryan Mathews yesterday, I wrote that the team had the most injury-prone backfield in NFL history. Mathews apparently didn't sign with Philadelphia after all, but it still applies: Even with the addition of Murray, the Eagles have the most injury-prone backfield the league has ever seen.
Paying Murray this sort of money - or any running back with a large workload under his belt, for that matter - is a big mistake. Murray had a whopping 498 touches last year, including the playoffs. That's crazy. Murray, who led the NFL in carries by a wide margin during the regular season (393), is bound to regress. A fantasy football-related study I've been posting over the past six seasons shows that running backs who lead the NFL in carries decline the following year. There have only been a handful of exceptions. Perhaps Murray will be one, but history is against him.
There are three other reasons why this is a sketchy signing. First, Murray has an extensive injury history. Prior to the 2014 campaign, Murray had failed to play a full season in his professional career, having missed 11 games in three years. Given how many times he handled the ball in 2014, it's likely that he'll be banged up next season. Second, this incoming running back draft class is loaded, so Philadelphia could've easily found a cheaper replacement for LeSean McCoy next month. And third, some of Murray's success last season came because of the offensive line. Murray is an outstanding player, no doubt, but his numbers were definitely inflated. Some people who have no idea what they're talking about are trying to argue that the Eagles have just as good of an offensive line as Dallas, but with Evan Mathis reportedly on the trading block and Jason Peters turning 33 this offseason, that's simply not the case.
This is not an awful signing because Murray will be a dynamic play-maker when he's on the field for the Eagles. However, he's too expensive, he's going to miss time, and he won't be as effective as he was last year, given that he's bound to wear down.
Eagles acquire QB Sam Bradford, 2015 5th-round pick, 2016 3rd/4th-round pick from Rams for QB Nick Foles, 2015 4th-round pick, 2016 2nd-round pick
Apparently, some NFL teams didn't get the memo that this was the beginning of free agency. The Rams and Eagles are among those that believe that this is the trade deadline, apparently.
The Rams are easier to analyze. They've shed Sam Bradford's awful contract and obtained Nick Foles in return. They even improved their positioning in the 2015 and 2016 NFL Drafts on top of it to sweeten the deal. Bradford has not been able to stay healthy at all, and while Nick Foles is somewhat of a limited quarterback, he's more reliable in terms of staying on the field. He has also posted better numbers than Bradford thus far, though, to be fair, he has enjoyed better weapons at his disposal. He'll have more trouble being effective in St. Louis, though the Rams will be able to move on from him much easier than they could have from Bradford, otherwise.
As for the Eagles, this move is puzzling, to say the least. It was initially reported that the Eagles and Rams would swap first-round picks, which made sense because it gave Philadelphia ammunition to move up for Marcus Mariota. However, the first-round swap wasn't even close; Philadelphia actually worsened its draft position this and next April in this deal. Making matters worse, it basically guarantees that Bradford will be the starter in Philadelphia this upcoming season.
With that in mind, Philadelphia deserves an "F" grade (Duck Kielbasa?) for this trade. Bradford is highly overpaid and extremely injury-prone, and he doesn't fit Chip Kelly's offense any better than Foles did. Bradford will be hurt by the middle of October, meaning Sanchez will have to start again. Perhaps that's why Kelly overpaid Sanchez.
My condolences to all Philadelphia fans. I've gotten many frustrated texts this evening, and I can understand why. One such Eagles' fan, my friend Body Burner, texted me, "Is Chip Kelly playing Madden?" I replied: "No, because the Madden computer would've rejected this trade."
Grade for Rams - A
Grade for Eagles - F
Eagles re-sign DE/OLB Brandon Graham (4 years, $26M; $14M guaranteed): A- Grade
Philadelphia's offseason has been a disaster thus far, but at least the team did something right with this re-signing. Losing Trent Cole and Brandon Graham would've been too much for the team to handle, as the pass-rushing depth was looking completely depleted.
I'm surprised Graham came back to the Eagles, as he expressed interest in playing in a 4-3 scheme. He would be better as a defensive end instead of an outside linebacker, but he proved last year that he can be extremely productive standing up. He was strong in run support all while registering 5.5 sacks in very limited snaps behind Cole and Connor Barwin. He'll obviously take on a larger role this upcoming season with Cole gone.
Eagles re-sign QB Mark Sanchez (2 years, $9M; $5.5M guaranteed): C- Grade
It's almost like Chip Kelly robbed a bank and is throwing away all of the money out on the street to cause mayhem. Mark Sanchez is a solid backup quarterback, as he proved last year that he can win some games when called upon. However, he's getting more than backup money. As a point of reference, the Browns paid Josh McCown $14 million over three years with $6.25 million guaranteed to be their starter. That's just about as much overall and less guaranteed per year than what Sanchez received to be the No. 2 signal-caller.
I suppose Kelly wanted a viable option in case he can't trade up for Marcus Mariota - whom I have going No. 2 overall in my 2015 NFL Mock Draft - but he still could've found a comparable backup quarterback for less money. It's possible that Kelly envisions Sanchez as next year's starter as a bridge to Brett Hundley, but it's not like the former Jet is going to take the Eagles to the playoffs. Thus, there's no real reason Kelly should've given Sanchez this type of contract.
Eagles reportedly sign CB Byron Maxwell (6 years, $63M; $25M guaranteed): D Grade
Kareem Jackson received a 4-year deal worth $34 million on Saturday. Brandon Flowers inked a 4-year, $36 million contract earlier today. Both Jackson and Flowers are better and more proven than Byron Maxwell. So, with that in mind, why in the world is Maxwell getting a 6-year, $63 million deal with $25 million guaranteed from Philadelphia?
This contract makes no sense. Maxwell is physically gifted, but he has never been a No. 1 cornerback in the NFL. Richard Sherman was on the other side of the field in Seattle, but Maxwell won't have that sort of luxury in Philadelphia. He also won't have two excellent safeties like Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor aiding him. Asking him to do everything in Philadelphia's secondary is a bit ridiculous, and it's almost certain to backfire.
There's a slight chance this signing works out. As mentioned, Maxwell has lots of talent, and at 27, he'll be in his prime for most of the duration of this contract. He also fits into the defensive scheme well. However, the Eagles are overpaying a player who has never proven that he can cover No. 1 receivers, so there's too much of a risk involved.
Bills acquire RB LeSean McCoy from Eagles for LB Kiko Alonso
LeSean McCoy is the more prominent player, but Buffalo is definitely the loser in this trade. McCoy is only 26 (27 in July), but he already has 1,463 carries under his belt, and that doesn't include all of the receptions he has secured over his career. His numbers were down this past season (4.2 YPC), as his 2013 figures (5.1 YPC) were inflated because teams paid so much attention to DeSean Jackson. McCoy will have the same luxury in Buffalo with Sammy Watkins serving as a downfield threat, but the Bills won't be getting the best of McCoy for very long, as he'll undoubtedly be crossing 2,000 career carries after the next two seasons.
As you can tell, I don't like this move very much for Buffalo. The running back class entering the 2015 NFL Draft is a very talented one, so why trade a stud defensive player for an aging back? Why not just select a running back in the second or third round?
The Eagles, meanwhile, are getting a very talented linebacker in Kiko Alonso. The former Duck - no shock that Chip Kelly traded for him - had a superb rookie year, especially in coverage. He was a three-down player who will serve as an upgrade over DeMeco Ryans, who didn't play as well in 2014. Alonso is coming off a torn ACL, but that happened before the season, so he's had plenty of time to recover. Alonso is only 24, so there's no reason to think that he won't be 100 percent by the start of the season.
Philadelphia now has a major hole at running back, but that's not a huge deal. As mentioned, the running back class is a great one, and running backs effectively grow on trees, so Kelly will be able to land a replacement.
Grade for Bills - C
Grade for Eagles - A-
I'm not reading that wall of text but giving the Maxwell signing a D grade is dumb as hell. Yeah he is overpaid and has never had to be the leader of a defense, but this team had half of a cornerback and signed the best one on the market, in his prime. Just lol.
And an A for bringing back Brandon Graham? It's Brandon Graham.
I don't know where that slop came from but some of it is LOL hilarious.
graham should have a little lower grade and perhaps maxwell a little higher but in general agree with the opinion...
graham is still unproven but they didn't over pay and edge rusher is one of the most difficult positions to fill...they are obviously hoping he breaks out and perhaps becomes as high as a double digit sack guy
everyone knew eagles had to address corner....but giving a stupid contract to a player who isn't great simply because of your own ineptitude in addressing the position for so many years doesn't make it a better move in terms of a letter grade and the money vs the talent of a particular signing
havas loves posting anti eagles stuff almost as much as j loves posting pro eagles stuff
i posted all their moves....eight total
three were above a C grade and two were below
in other words how did you read all that and come away with only negatives
i didnt read any of it....for all i know that could have come from dio's blog
i saw a mostly c's and below on my light skim....arrived at a stupid message board point and boom. the internet has risen.
its from walter football....which is a very good site
where does it rank on a scale of elliot parks shore and jimmy kempski
I saw the Brandon Graham signing being given an "A-" and immediately snorted.
It's pablum and not even updated pablum either.
Quote from: MDS on March 23, 2015, 07:33:55 PM
where does it rank on a scale of elliot parks shore and jimmy kempski
lol......its a real football site
shore parks is a complete hack
is kempski even a football guy?.....he reminds me of gonzo from like five years ago or whenever it was that he was going thru his phase of trying to be the snarky funniest guy in the room at all times and not really a sports writer even tho he would write about sports
kempski was a commenter on bleeding green nation or some blog....parlayed that into a writing gig on the site....parlayed that into a gig with philly.com when it was run by george norcross' funhole daughter....parlayed that into the philly voice, which is a thing i guess
definitely someone with credentials that should be taken seriously
i cant tell if you are kidding or not....he knows nothing about sports much less football...he trys and fails at being a stand up comedian....he also hungry hungry hippos other teams fans and writers....I don't know how someone like that can be taken seriously
Quote from: MDS on March 23, 2015, 07:26:52 PM
i didnt read any of it....for all i know that could have come from dio's blog
Does dio really have a blog? If so link?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2015, 07:31:06 PM
its from walter football....which is a very good site
Todd Football is where the real analysis happens
Quote from: SD on March 23, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 23, 2015, 07:26:52 PM
i didnt read any of it....for all i know that could have come from dio's blog
Does dio really have a blog? If so link?
Is it this one? http://stuffunemployedpeoplelike.com/2009/04/07/52-getting-paid-to-run-errands-for-employed-people/
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/3/25/8291841/chip-kelly-evan-mathis-eagles-trade-rumors-allen-barbre-drew-rosenhaus
Translation: Mathis/Rosenhaus want more money. The Eagles said no, told Drew to shop around to see if there are any takers. So far there have been none.
Rosenthief is a pox on the species.
the guy is a douche but he gets his clients paid
but i forgot only you can make money, pro athletes cant
Mathis is in his mid 30's and is set to make more than Rome will his entire life...seems like a legit argument
yea youre right
since mathis is making a lot of money he should shut up and take his pay cut and let jeff lurie keep more. there's a dude who needs a break. jeff lurie.
Lurie's not asking for a pay raise now is he?
i dont know what he gets paid, but every dime that doesnt go to player salaries goes somewhere else....presumably into the whole "profit" part of the ledger. i take it he likes profit.
mathis can and should get as much as he can. he can and should feel insulted the eagles dont want to pay him for no other than reason than they paid other people too much and dont have enough left over. if nobody wants to pay him what he's owed, ok then. go on the market, go to another team, get what you can.
but dont say "well i make enough as it is, so here's my money back, jeff, you've earned it."
Yeah they're not asking him to take a pay cut right?
Mathis isn't going to make more than he is now. He'll be the oldest starting OG in the NFL. I'm fine with him desiring for more money, but if he thinks he's due for this big payday he's delusional.
not sure what he wants.....might just be his current salary. this whole thing could be posturing by both sides and he'll be at LG next year. who the farg knows.
alls i know is pro athletes shouldnt try to make as much as they can, but YOU should
I don't demand a new salary from my employer when I'm already under contract then have my agent call around to see if he can get me a better deal. That only happens in thd la la land of professional sports. So excuse me for not shedding a year for poor millionaire Evan.
Quote from: SD on March 27, 2015, 09:51:21 PM
I don't demand a new salary from my employer when I'm already under contract then have my agent call around to see if he can get me a better deal. That only happens in thd la la land of professional sports. So excuse me for not shedding a year for poor millionaire Evan.
what if your employer is kindly asking you to get lost....or if youre in a business where you can get fired and not see another dime.
nobody is shedding a tear of mathis. i just applaud him in his quest to earn as much as he possibly can. if it works, great. if it dont, you cant blame him for trying.
Nobody is asking him to get lost. Chip was asked if Mathis is coming back and he said "I hope so".
I have no problem with people asking for more money...it's the tactics used I have a problem with
Hard to have sympathy for someone who is already very well off. He retires tomorrow he's still set for life.
nfl fans are mini ted cruzes
Quote from: SD on March 27, 2015, 10:10:45 PM
Nobody is asking him to get lost. Chip was asked if Mathis is coming back and he said "I hope so".
I have no problem with people asking for more money...it's the tactics used I have a problem with
Hard to have sympathy for someone who is already very well off. He retires tomorrow he's still set for life.
not sure about that....the money is far less than you think. he does very well, for now, but as any adult knows that dolla go fast. even if you make a few mil for a few years. which is why he's trying to get as much as he can.
-wifey
-house
-ride
-kin
-taxes
-union fees
-agent cut
-charity
slow your roll.
I recently read an interesting article about the National Football League and its pay scale for players. It turns out, they have something called a "salary cap."
Furthermore, this "salary cap" also has a salary floor, which means owners have a fairly narrow range of money they can offer the players, and it's more a matter of how to divvy up those monies than giving guys extra cash beyond what they had agreed to. Fascinating stuff, actually. Sorry, don't have a link.
Quote from: MDS on March 27, 2015, 10:45:03 PM
Quote from: SD on March 27, 2015, 10:10:45 PM
Nobody is asking him to get lost. Chip was asked if Mathis is coming back and he said "I hope so".
I have no problem with people asking for more money...it's the tactics used I have a problem with
Hard to have sympathy for someone who is already very well off. He retires tomorrow he's still set for life.
not sure about that....the money is far less than you think. he does very well, for now, but as any adult knows that dolla go fast. even if you make a few mil for a few years. which is why he's trying to get as much as he can.
-wifey
-house
-ride
-kin
-taxes
-union fees
-agent cut
-charity
slow your roll.
Here's an idea: live within your means. I know that's hard for a multi millionaire to understand but these guys are set for life. Don't buy that 4th Porsche and a 3rd house in Tahiti. Again...no problem with asking for more coin...it's the tactics used to get it.
you jealous?
http://youtu.be/Af0wXeN6_FY
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 27, 2015, 10:40:33 PM
nfl fans are mini ted cruzes
I'm not. I hope Mathis gets whatever he can. I don't begrudge him a cent either. All that said, Rosenthief is a disgusting human sleaze bag who actually preys on ignorant athletes. Somehow Todd mistook those sentiments. He's a farging illiterate moron, so it's not all that surprising.
You, on the other hand, should know better.
Rosenthief preys on his players so much he gets them money no one else can
he preys on joe banner, the real star of the nfl
Miles Austin is coming to town. Remember 5 years ago when he was good?
they definitely need more people who are always hurt
He still counts $5.1M against the Cowboys cap.
He'll be good (and by good I mean 2 catches 18 yards) for three games and the other 13 he will have hamstring issues.
roseymuff cares about his clients. he does it all from the heart and doesnt make a penny.
the more his clients make the more he makes...so im quite certain he cares about getting them as much money as possible....he certainly cares more about them than you or jefferey lurie do
:-D he doesnt give one flying farg about "the player".
pretty sure he does and most of his players would attest to that
put in order for me who you think cares most about his clients....
you
jeffy
rosenhaus
EJ Biggers is visiting...he's complete garbage.
I'd prefer Kurt Coleman or Sean Considine.
There's a rumor floating around that there could be a Manziel and a 1st for Bradford deal.
Two of my friends who are Aggies just called me to tell me.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 07, 2015, 11:50:37 AM
Two of my friends who are Aggies just called me to tell me.
lol
Apparently someone posted something on an Aggie message board saying it was on CBS radio or website.
One I work with and one is a vendor who I buy tropical lumber from
sounds totally legit....how can you not trust a guy who murders rain forests
Well he doesn't cut the trees down he just sells it.
And we don't buy from illegal loggers. That's a major no-no.
Sure you don't.
lol at phreak actually making it worse with each subsequent post.
goddamn please lay off phreak, i can't take this anymore
I would literally squirt a little if Chip pulled that trade off.
I mean, it would be disastrous, but holy shtein the carnage would be glorious.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 07, 2015, 12:07:46 PM
Sure you don't.
100% we do not. There are people who do but on imported species there is a big push to make sure they're bought from people on the up and up. Illegal logging was big in central and South America years ago which is why when you ask for Honduran Mahogany you ain't gonna get it from Honduras because that place has been picked over by illegals.
Anyway enough about wood in this thread...we'll continue in another if you'd like to know more.
Quote from: SunMo on April 07, 2015, 12:23:33 PM
goddamn please lay off phreak, i can't take this anymore
lol its all good...I don't sweat it
I say torch the farging rain forests
http://www.chatsports.com/cleveland-browns/a/EXCLUSIVE-Browns-Eagles-Discussing-Trade-Involving-Johnny-Manziel-And-Sam-Bradford-10-27-1775
Quote from: SD on April 07, 2015, 12:38:14 PM
I say torch the farging rain forests
Yeah we know.
Chat sports.com sounds legit.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 07, 2015, 12:32:35 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 07, 2015, 12:07:46 PM
Sure you don't.
100% we do not. There are people who do but on imported species there is a big push to make sure they're bought from people on the up and up. Illegal logging was big in central and South America years ago which is why when you ask for Honduran Mahogany you ain't gonna get it from Honduras because that place has been picked over by illegals.
Anyway enough about wood in this thread...we'll continue in another if you'd like to know more.
You might 100% think you don't, but in all likelihood, you probably do. Lumber is like fish. Very f'n hard to say where it came from when buying in bulk. shtein just appears and you can either buy it or not. Yuppies gotta have their brazilian hardwood floors...so you buy it, FSC be damned.
Humans are a cancer.
They're more a virus, but I generally concur.
EJ Biggers & Seyi Ajirotutu signed
Biggers farging sucks.
I don't see the problem here. The defensive backfield just got biggers. Isn't that what we all wanted?
Special teams will have competition. Not more more to Seyi about it.
More more!
Quote from: SunMo on April 07, 2015, 12:23:33 PM
goddamn please lay off phreak, i can't take this anymore
80
jesus it's too late for me now because i'm all in but you guys are the worst.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 07, 2015, 11:03:20 PM
jesus it's too late for me now because i'm all in but you guys are the worst.
we work so hard for it too. bout damn time somebody recognized.
Looks like they brought in RB Cedric Peerman for a workout
Part of the innovative 11 RB formation.
I know him from UVA but I had no idea he was even in the nfl
He's back with the Bengals now.
Preseason schedule (dates/times TBD):
8/13-17 vs Indianapolis
8/20-24 vs Baltimore
8/27-31 at Green Bay
9/3-4 at NY Jets
Really like that the 3 main games are against teams that won playoff games this past season
No New England?
Eagles/Pats week 1, book it
i would definitely go to new england in september before it gets butt ass cold.
You just want to find whatever club Gronk is at after the game to do some blow off of a porn star's ass with him.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 09, 2015, 05:27:38 PM
i would definitely go to new england in september before it gets butt ass cold.
i already have a trip booked to boston and maine that week....including phils red sox tickets labor day weekend...but no chance im going to hideous foxboro
Jets Week 4.... what a surprise.
Quote from: SunMo on April 09, 2015, 04:36:09 PM
No New England?
Eagles/Pats week 1, book it
they have the jets and have played teams in the preseason they were going to face in the regular season.....preseason schedule often is stupid and makes 0 sense
but yes, im feeling eagles/pats opener
no lagarrett blount!!!
SB winners versus the team that generated the most offseason headlines (so far). I think it's happening.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 09, 2015, 07:42:01 PM
SB winners versus the team that generated the most offseason headlines (so far). I think it's happening.
pitt is the other option....they wont have bell and that matchup can be saved for a CBS DH later in the year. cbs has fewer $$ afc-afc games and they generally keep them all. remember, they are losing brady-manning this year (or should, at least) so id suspect they wont want to lose NE-PIT, too.
no chance the schedule hasn't been finalized for weeks.
you know far more about the in and outs of the tv sked reasons why a certain team would be chosen but leveon bell missing the game has zero impact.....nfl trancends individual players...its what makes it so incredible...not a single person would not watch that game because leveon bell is out...not even sure if brady being out would matter
Quote from: phattymatty on April 09, 2015, 07:52:43 PM
no chance the schedule hasn't been finalized for weeks.
its probably pretty close....the opener has definitely been selected
the order of games id reckon is set. the last matter is the networks battling for who gets what game.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 09, 2015, 07:55:00 PM
you know far more about the in and outs of the tv sked reasons why a certain team would be chosen but leveon bell missing the game has zero impact.....nfl trancends individual players...its what makes it so incredible...not a single person would not watch that game because leveon bell is out...not even sure if brady being out would matter
yes and no....the rating wont change for bell (but it will for brady)
the nfl does want a good game in the opener, though. they want a good matchup with good teams. if they didnt care they would put the dolphins or something there. but theres a reason the steelers and eagles are the 2 in the running for the spot.
Quote from: MDS on April 09, 2015, 07:59:27 PM
the nfl does want a good game in the opener, though. they want a good matchup with good teams. if they didnt care they would put the dolphins or something there. but theres a reason the steelers and eagles are the 2 in the running for the spot.
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/015/orly.jpg)
Patriots fans wouldn't watch if there was a competing Red Sox game on.
:-D @ Matty.
matty shteinting on the one thing lil guy knows about.
that's cold man.
Quote from: Rome on April 09, 2015, 08:02:54 PM
Patriots fans wouldn't watch if there was a competing Red Sox game on.
Or a Bruins non mandatory conditioning session that was being televised.
Polk's RFA offer was rescinded, so he's a UFA now
Mildly surprising.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2015, 10:02:51 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 11, 2015, 09:15:00 PM
sneaky needs: a tight end, since celek is a statue
book it right now....trey burton is going to be a breakout player this year
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-under-radar-te-trey-burton
10 days till camp......legggo
I thought this shtein used to start in July...those mother fargers are gonna be out of shape.
not in smootopia.
Quote from: hbionic on July 23, 2015, 02:14:21 PM
I thought this shtein used to start in July...those mother fargers are gonna be out of shape.
many teams do start in july but the season this year starts about as late as an nfl season can
that said I don't think anyone starts camp after the birds....chips practice philosophy is all about pace....quality over quantity...he doesn't care about the number of practice days he cares about stuffing as many reps into an individual practice at a game type speed
The Birds start the latest because their first preseason game is the latest. The Colts start camp on the same day as the Birds. Mystery solved.
BUT SMOOTHIES!
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 23, 2015, 07:56:54 PM
The Birds start the latest because their first preseason game is the latest. The Colts start camp on the same day as the Birds. Mystery solved.
detroit is august as well
also the eagles dont practice...they train....and the entire team is full of salt of the earth gym rats that are already in game shape.
they aren't in any better shape than anyone else....see their late season collapse last year....and their practices in general are the same as all nfl teams in terms of the stuff they run they just run their stuff at a much higher pace than everyone else
their daily schedule during the year is diff as well
Pretty sure that was Todd's attempt at teh sarcasms, big guy.
definitely wasnt...hes a 100% chip/sports science guy
man i love it when he thinks he knows stuff
he must be right though, he said 100%.
Quote from: MDS on July 24, 2015, 09:25:55 AM
man i love it when he thinks he knows stuff
Board pharmacist...one step above yous
Quote from: smeags on July 24, 2015, 09:29:58 AM
he must be right though, he said 100%.
may be 95....point is hes in HARD